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"But we took you to stately homes" part 3

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oneplusone · 01/03/2008 14:10

Sorry for starting part 3 if it has already been started but i logged on just now and found the previous thread has reached 1000 posts. And my title is not very inspiring, Ally90, please help!

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itati · 07/07/2008 16:16

Ally - have you remembered me yet as I couldn't find any of my old posts?

ally90 · 07/07/2008 16:53

Glad I helped

Itati, I remember you with name without posts But does help to refresh...you are on this thread...

TMSB...I go on more besides its helpful that we do... I'm sure my rambles make sense occasionally yours are always interesting to read...and thought provoking.

Hobnob76 · 08/07/2008 07:36

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone! I post a bit more when I have some time.

itati · 08/07/2008 08:51

I would be interested in comments on my 14:18:57 post on the 4th July as I do think it is a strange feeling.

ally90 · 08/07/2008 15:06

Itati - re your post, I feel the need to know what my mother is up to and when I hear nothing for a while I start to wonder...in a perverse way I want to get mail from her...not sure this is because I like getting personal mail or I want to know she is still thinking of me...or deep down I care for her feel a bit sick now...!

On another subject think I have just found my oldest friend is rather toxic...and tbh would rather not be around her anymore this just keeps happening! However the friend and friends I am getting shot of are saying rather socially inappropriate things...and can get stuffed if they want to make me see things their way...I get the feeling one friend sees me as neglectful of my dd (who she has never met, never had children herself, and has never seen me parent my dd) and the 2 other friends think I'm over neurotic.... The fact they are all being so judgemental shows they need social skills...critising or raising eyebrows is not helpful or constructive. I will continue to do as my dh and myself consider best which does not neccessarily go with public opinion, ie being careful who dd spends time with. However on the bright side...I think I just got suckered into yet another dodgy friendship she sees me as being 'childish' as she is... and there was me thinking I was being adult round my dd... agreed to go round hers...go invited btw by her dd just like mum

And have to type above here as I think dh has had enough of me analysing friendships, detail by detail! If only I felt I could relax a little... must be more adult, must be more adult...

smithfield · 08/07/2008 16:20

Ah ally!- you are being too hard on yourself I think.

Lets face it your mum and loooovley sis have handed you a completely skewed view in terms of what is and isnt appropriate behaviour.

Its funny cos I was thinking back to some of my previous friendhips and CAN NOT believe some of the crap I tolerated!.

It takes time though to gauge what we can and cant tolerate and what we should and shouldnt. Its like getting to know oursleves all over again because in the first instance we got to know ourselves through our parents eyes and interactions.
So inevitably also we will start to change and sometimes because of this old friendhips will endure...some wont, because those friends wont readily accept those changes and want to push us back into our old selves.

In terms of new friendhips its ok to get it wrong sometimes. Im sure that kind of thing happens to everybody. Its just with us we are only just learning we 'dont have to' proceed, we can terminate, flex our new found boundaries if we need to.

Go with the flow, trust your instincts and remember the onion analogy...tis another layer!

It was very intersting also what you were saying about your sisters card being abusive. I hadnt thought about it before, but my middle DB has a real thing about my age. He goes on and on and on an on about it.

He almost chokes on his own tears of mirth as he hands me my b'day card each year. (which of course always alludes to my age...and indicates I am infact ancient, past it etc etc) HIL...AIR...E...Arse!.

Realise he is following my mothers lead.

And speaking of mothers lead....God how Im loathing that woman right now....
It appears currently for me that ALL guilt has melted away. Just basically feel happier without her in my life. Just busy mopping up the mess she has left in her wake!

I still feel ambivelent about my father however

Itati- Re your post. I do think you have a lot of anxiety surrounding your mother. Rightly so. SHe has continuously appeared- often out of the blue- and reeked havoc.

I think you feel safer when you get her letters because you still have her in sight to some degree and feel more in control of what she may be intending to do next.

Im really not sure what you can do about it.
Sorry if Ive asked you this before. but have you had counselling? I feel there is a lot of trauma surrounding your mother's reappearances which is currently messing with your mind in a very real way.

For example I remember you writing at one point about having a feeling that she was in the house!

TMSB- Please Keep going on and on. I find your posts very helpful and always look forward to reading them.

Re head space- Yes this is a defiante phase and one I can relate to. It does pass. And I think mine is beginning to. Hurrah!
Although Im also aware that it could come back again (snakes and ladders right ally!)

You have to just feel ready to let go and for each person that is going to have a different time scale.

You will just start at some point to think of them less and yourself and your own life more. You will just find yourself saying ok enough. Its time. And slowly move on.

smithfield · 08/07/2008 16:21

And I still cant spell

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/07/2008 17:53

Hi Ally

I would agree with Smithfield (hello) that your Mum and sister gave you a rather distorted view of friendship.

Honestly your Mum and sister would take a horse to water and watch it drown. You are not their whipping boy any more.

Wear your stripey socks with pride and plough your own furrow through life. Ditch the vampire friends who suck you dry.

Attila x

itati · 08/07/2008 18:48

I did feel she had been in the house. It was unnerving that.

When I was unhappy in my foster homes she didn't want to know, if I was settled she caused trouble and I had to be moved. She saw me as a waif and stray and if someone wanted me she decided she did, if no one did, neither did she.

ActingNormal · 08/07/2008 19:35

Itati, that thing about wanting horrible letters rather than nothing - they say it about children who play up don't they - that they aren't getting enough attention and negative attention for being naughty is better than no attention at all. I've been thinking a sort of similar thing about my parents lack of response to my 'confrontation letter' recently. If they had written back or got angry on the phone at least they would have reacted to me. I feel like I have no effect on them and am therefore still not important to them because all my dad really said was that he had read it and my mum has still not even acknowledged that she read it. No apologies, no excuses, no explanations, not even defensiveness. I've told them details of horrible things that happened to me and it hasn't apparently affected them, they don't seem to care. One of my brother's excuses for hurting me during childhood was "I just wanted somebody to react to me"

itati · 08/07/2008 19:49

I never lived with my father and only lived with my mother for about 15 months so it is rather silly that I have times when I still want a mum.

toomanystuffedbears · 08/07/2008 19:58

itati-(I am a steady player of the far out field, so take with a shaker of salt)
It is hard to make a big change and then even harder to maintain it. Habits are hard to break. I feel that I want to hold your hand and offer a gentle reminder that no contact is still better than toxic contact. I know it is hard especially if we do not have a network of RL support-I don't (and Middle Sister was really my closest female 'friend').

smithfield- thanks

ally- I find it ironic in my life when I find myself in the position of wanting to dump a 'friend' rather than always be the one dumped. But we know the toxic people in our lives simply have to go.

Dear baby crying-got to go.

itati · 08/07/2008 20:04

I am off to do all the jobs I didn't get done today but I would like to talk some more if okay tmw.

ActingNormal · 08/07/2008 20:50

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toomanystuffedbears · 08/07/2008 23:48

AN-it is important to know your truth. It sounds wierd to say that-that it would be obvious that anyone would know their own truth.
Of course you knew your times were not right and you buried your hurt and somehow became invisible to the ones that should have helped you. I do not know if you will ever be visible to them.

Also, I think people can go through the years from damage childhood times not knowing those times were wrong or painful or damaging and believing that they had a "normal" childhood. In just the past year I realized I had a crap childhood.

Are you familiar with Alice Miller's book: The Truth Will Set You Free? It is a good book and not so technical-it is easy to read, (but some of the material isn't easy to read, iykwim).
Take care. Facing it all is a tough row to hoe, so to speak, but for your own health it is necessary. Good Luck.

Sakura · 10/07/2008 05:22

sorry to just jump in now and again, especially after so long but I just wanted to say hi, and that everytime I log onto this thread, I am amazed at the strength of all the people on it.
Acting Normal, your post about yourself in the photos nearly had me welling up. I think its good to look at the photos of yourself as an innocent little girl. I think its good to look at the child that you were objectively, and to feel love and sympathy and pity for that little girl. I think this is important if we want to overcome our feelings of self-loathing.

I've just moved house (one of the reasons I can't log on often ATM), and of course I've come accross photos of myself. Yesterday I saw a photo of myself in a gym leotard. I changed gymnastic clubs around age 8 because I was being bullied at the first one and i could tell from this photo that it was of the second gym I went to. What shocked me was that I have many many memories of abuse from my mum and dad when I used to go to the first gym, and yet looking at the photo of me in the second gym i was still a tiny tiny little, underdevelped girl, with big trusting hopeful eyes. So I thought, imagine how tiny I looked when I was at the other place, and was still being abused daily by them.
I rarely look at old photos, for the same reason I rarely visit this thread these days. I still find it too overwhelmingly painful.

Sakura · 10/07/2008 05:24

So true what TMSB said about people not realising their childhood wasn't normal. I would never have thought I was being abused throughout my shooldays, even though I really, terribly was.

oneplusone · 10/07/2008 12:49

Hi all, I just wanted to say hello. I have been away from this thread for a while, not exactly sure why, think I needed a break as i wasn't switching off from all this at all and it was really impacting on my day to day life and DC's and DH.

But I am so pleased that the thread is still going strong, you have all given me so much support and help, you have literally saved my life at times.

At lot has happened since i was last on here, i don't really know where to start but the most important thing as far as i'm concerned is that i have had a real heart to heart with both my sisters and we have become so much closer. I feel so lucky and grateful that they are willing and able to accept my decision to cut off my parents and we have all agreed we can have a relationship ourselves completely independent of our parents.

My youngest sister had a gorgeous baby girl and since having her i can see she is starting to gain a much greater understanding about me and how i have felt about our parents since i had my DC's. My middle sister hasn't had DC's as yet and i can see her level of understanding is far less, but i know once she has her own DC's this will change.

I realised this morning just how much me and my sisters had drifted apart over the years, and how much i have missed them and i am so pleased that we are becoming closer again. It is sad that it has taken such a drastic step on my part and involved a lot of emotional pain to reach this point, but i also know we would never have re-connected in the way that we have now if things had just continued as they were and i had not cut off my parents.

My therapist has been great, and it just shows how important it is to find the right therapist. She simply just sits and listens to me and although i somtimes feel she doesn't 100% understand everything i say, i feel it would actually be impossible for her or anyone else to do that, unless they were actually me.

I need to find the time to go through the recent posts and respond, will try and do that over the next few days.

I noticed a while back that someone was asking me which books i had read in relation to my feelings about DD. It was definately Alice Miller but I'm not sure which of her books, i think it was either 'The Drama' or possibly The Body Never Lies. The book that TMSB has recommended is also excellent and i would highly recommend it too, possibly as a starting point for Alice Miller's work as it is the easiest one to read.

I agree with Sakura (hi!) and TMSB, it is so important to know, both emotionally and intellectually your own personal truth and that is at the core of Alice Miller's books. As Alice Miller says, it is the truth that will set you free and she is absolutely right.

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smithfield · 10/07/2008 12:52

Hi Sakura- good to hear from you!
Maybe you need to take a break from the thread and anything else that reminds you of the abuse for now. Perhaps you need that in order to move forward.
My therapist said this to me, but somehow I just dont feel ready-yet-.

AN- what Sakura said is right. The little girl in the picture, IS just a little a girl. You cant give her your adult emotions or mind. Think of her as you would your own child. Adopt her. Tell her out loud; 'It wasnt your fault' tell her every day if you have to. One day I promise you will connect with those words and truly believe it.

oneplusone · 10/07/2008 13:08

hi smithfield, how are you? sorry i haven't kept up with all the posts. I hope you feel you are moving forward, i read somewhere that you have let go of all the guilt you were feeling at cutting off your parents. I think that is a good thing, THEY are the ones who should feel all the guilt at the way they treated their innocent little girl; I think you are on the right track.

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fluxy3 · 10/07/2008 13:24

Hi everyone. can I please join in and say hello? I've lurked on this thread for a while, reading stories and convincing myself that I have no reason to join in or acknowledge my parents/childhood as being somewhat toxic.
I am currently going to relate( with dh) and I'm beginning to understand why I behave as I do at times. We are both as bad as each other, but in my case , I am realising I have years of anger inside of me, stemming from the way both my mother and father were towards me and ultimately which men I have chosen to be with. A light has been switched on.
I have cried and cried all morning.
But I'm OK.

more · 10/07/2008 15:20

Welcome Fluxy3. The lightswitch moment is a major step. The fact that you now understand will help you in moving forward (and backwards sometimes ).
Feel free to talk it all out here.

itati · 10/07/2008 15:25

Thank you to those that responded re my mother and letters. You all make a lot of sense.

I am not sure I am any better off since we wrote to her to leave us alone tbh as I don't trust my MIL and have no idea what my mother is up too.

smithfield · 10/07/2008 17:22

oneplusone-Hello there . Im so glad to hear about your sisters. It gives me some hope actually. Maybe one day when/and if, my sister has children there will be a future for our relationship too.

fluxy3- Hello, and welcome. I have a lot of anger inside me too. It is good you are realising and recognising this now and doing something positive.
To have it all rolling around inside you is not good or healthy, and I have realised over the years a lot of the destructive stuff I did was as a result of having the anger.
But Im also learning (slowly) you can use the anger positively, re-direct it and put it to work so to speak to bring positive changes in to your life.

Itati- Could you ask your MIL? Do you think she would respond honestly?

smithfield · 10/07/2008 17:24

AND DD just rolled on to her front

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