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Going into semi retirement - DH just 'around' all the time

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VoluptuaGoodshag · 23/08/2023 14:12

I know this is more me than him but he's been working from home a lot more since lockdown and looks like he'll be retiring in the next year or so. We do lovely things together but having him around, all the time, is putting me on edge. Not that he stops me doing anything but I just like my own space a bit. Even walking into town for something or going for the weekly shop, when he says oh I'll come with you, I'd really prefer he didn't.

How do others navigate this new bit of life? I don't want to be in each others pockets. He does have his hobbies separate to me but I just like my own space a bit more and he always seems to be there.

OP posts:
Crikeyalmighty · 24/08/2023 20:58

@VoluptuaGoodshag ha- I totally agree

IWantOutDoI · 25/08/2023 08:52

Willmafrockfit · 24/08/2023 18:46

what about WI
or knitting club
he wont come to that?

It depends on the man. I sent a friend, who desperately needed some time to herself, in the direction of my Yoga for Menopause class. The bastard husband joined the class, which in turn had to be dumbed down a bit not because he was not menopausal but because he claimed to have a bad back.

Sometimes it is not about companionship and boredom… it is about control. He wouldn’t let her out of his view, all on the disguise of being an “adoring husband”.

C8H10N4O2 · 25/08/2023 09:17

VoluptuaGoodshag · 24/08/2023 19:16

“Then introduce him to various local activities he might be interested in - clubs, societies, groups, walking groups, golf, bowls, classes, talks, etc etc.”

Why the eff should I have to do the mental load of thinking up things for him to do? He’s a fully functioning adult working as a project director for huge multinational. He is more than capable without me having to kidult him

Agree. He needs to prepare for retirement and work out his own leisure activities just as you have done.

You need to be explicit about it and point out that your independent activities took time and effort to build and maintain - they didn't just fall into your lap curated by a wife. You both need independent interests, not just joint interests.

BygoneDays · 25/08/2023 10:26

Leave him. It is clearly not going to work out over the next 20 or so years. You deserve so much more than this.

ImNotReallySpartacus · 25/08/2023 10:58

I think you need to re-evaluate the relationship and decide whether you still want to be with him at all. If so, explain that you need some time to yourself and are going to have it.

ActDottie · 25/08/2023 11:17

I can’t imagine not wanting to be around my husband all the time. My alone time is the same whether with him or not.

Id just say to him you want to go alone and maybe say something like you want to do a bit of shopping or book a massage! The only true alone time I get really.

Hibiscrubbed · 25/08/2023 11:27

I can’t imagine not wanting to be around my husband all the time. My alone time is the same whether with him or not.

I can’t imagine being that codependent.

Nina1013 · 25/08/2023 15:15

Your responses just don’t sound as though you like him very much at all.
Your original post is totally understandable but the later replies - it just sounds like you resent him so much and it surely is more deep rooted than him wondering how to fill his days….

My husband (who is genuinely my best friend too) is much more codependent than I am and isn’t a fan of his own company, and doesn’t need or want alone time. I’m the polar opposite, however we just have a giggle about it and I can openly tell him I just want some space. I regularly inwardly and outwardly giggle about how clingy he can be (unintentionally, I’m just really the centre of his universe) but I don’t dislike or resent him for it. It seems like you really do and maybe that’s what you need to look at as a bigger issue.

VoluptuaGoodshag · 25/08/2023 15:25

@Nina1013 you’ve made me think. Perhaps it is that. As we’ve not been in each others pockets so much it didn’t beep on the radar but since lockdown and Covid and some recent happenings that I can’t be arsed going into, yeah you could be right. Which is slightly more worrying!

OP posts:
Wheresthebloomingsummersunshine · 25/08/2023 15:27

Maybe?

Going into semi retirement - DH just 'around' all the time
lilacwineplease · 25/08/2023 15:48

This is a huge life transition for both of you and it's why we can't downsize - DH has a copious mancave (the garage) and we have our own offices in what were bedrooms.
We're self employed and work part-time, him more than me.

He's developed better friendship groups and hobbies of his own but I had to push him to realise he needed to nurture friendships, I think that's something women do more naturally.

We also both do voluntary work which is quite flexible and then plan free time together, ideally on a Sunday evening when we have an idea of the weather forecast.

billy1966 · 25/08/2023 16:06

OP, don't allow yourself to be subsumed by him.

You are absolutely entitled to your life.

Split that list and stick it up.

Do not allow him to take over your jobs.

You need to be firm.

Not being gentle but firm will mean this gets worse.

Pick a few days that you will be doing your own thing and tell him unless you say otherwise, you are unavailable.

Do not offer to set him up with activities.

I have heard of many women feeling suffocated by husbands asking where are you going and when are you back.

Constantly feeling they are on the clock.

Also their husbands wanting dinner at a certain time.

M&S meals being a godsend to give them when they go out with tennis/golf/bridge/book club friends for lunch.

Mememe1234 · 25/08/2023 21:39

VoluptuaGoodshag · 24/08/2023 19:16

“Then introduce him to various local activities he might be interested in - clubs, societies, groups, walking groups, golf, bowls, classes, talks, etc etc.”

Why the eff should I have to do the mental load of thinking up things for him to do? He’s a fully functioning adult working as a project director for huge multinational. He is more than capable without me having to kidult him

Why are you feeling responsible to organise his social calendar?
Personally I have been in charge of our social calendar ever since I met him nearly 20 years ago.
I don’t understand why you can’t be honest with him. How long have you been together and do you have kids?
We both love our space but don’t get much of it having two young kids. I always organise activities together as he doesn’t want to do much. Just be clear about what you want and surely he’ll understand and give you the space that you want and need.

Mememe1234 · 25/08/2023 21:44

ActDottie · 25/08/2023 11:17

I can’t imagine not wanting to be around my husband all the time. My alone time is the same whether with him or not.

Id just say to him you want to go alone and maybe say something like you want to do a bit of shopping or book a massage! The only true alone time I get really.

I’m the same. I absolutely adore spending time with my husband. I’d rather be with him than others.
We don’t get much time together as we have two young kids but when we do I enjoy it and I don’t have to talk at him but just him sitting next to me or being in the same room is enough. Every lunch break we try and eat together when we can. Before we had kids, I would even butter his bread in restaurants and I used to get funny looks. It’s my way of showing him my love by looking after him. Now we have kids it’s much harder as I have to do this for our kids.
Do you really want to be with your husband as it doesn’t sound like you enjoy his company at all?

Mememe1234 · 25/08/2023 21:52

BygoneDays · 25/08/2023 10:26

Leave him. It is clearly not going to work out over the next 20 or so years. You deserve so much more than this.

This is harsh. Leave him because he wants to spend more time with his wife.
No wonder the % of women getting divorced vs men is far higher when people are getting divorced over this stuff.
What about communicating and problem solving? Is a relationship worth throwing away if you’ve been together for many years. Marriage is something you work at and both partners need to want to put the hard graft in to make it work and compromise when necessary.

Crikeyalmighty · 25/08/2023 23:12

@Mememe1234 but the clue here is you saying'we don't get much time together' - the thing is you suddenly can end up seeing someone an awful lot more than you have ever been used to and realise that it can start to get a bit claustrophobic - saying you want to spend a lot of time with someone you don't spend much time with is a totally different situation

Mememe1234 · 25/08/2023 23:38

Crikeyalmighty · 25/08/2023 23:12

@Mememe1234 but the clue here is you saying'we don't get much time together' - the thing is you suddenly can end up seeing someone an awful lot more than you have ever been used to and realise that it can start to get a bit claustrophobic - saying you want to spend a lot of time with someone you don't spend much time with is a totally different situation

My husband works from home and so do I. We are physically around each other nearly 24/7 but we don’t talk to each other all the time. My husband tends to be the one who wants his own space when at home. No one needs to feel responsible for each other and are free to do what they want. I don’t get it when couples don’t communicate and just stew. When I’m annoyed by something my husband knows and we get to the bottom of it immediately. It’s about compromise and finding the right balance.
Im sure when both of us have retired we would want to keep doing our own thing. The husband might not even know that she feels that way. They need to agree what’s the best way forward and that requires an open and honest conversation of how he’s asking too much of her time.

SnoogyWoo · 26/08/2023 06:08

Buy him some golf clubs, sorted.

Escapingtherealityoflife · 26/08/2023 06:21

Thankfully DH and I are quite independent so retirement should be ok. Currently at the weekend he’ll ask what I’ve got planned with no intention of getting involved himself. We often go out for breakfast together on a Saturday, and mostly have dinner together.

Crikeyalmighty · 26/08/2023 09:49

@Mememe1234 I think the problem often rears it's head when one or both of you isn't working, nor has children at home if im honest, especially when they have few interests that get them out regularly too.

It's hard to put in words till you've experienced it.

lapsedbookworm · 26/08/2023 10:22

I think I get it . It's that feeling that you have to be "doing something" or "go somewhere" in order to not live in each others pockets.

I love my husband and like time with him. But I wish he had a hobby so that just sometimes I could have to house to myself. Or not have him looking a bit downcast when I go out to see a friend or whatever.

I'm determined to encourage him towards some hobbies before he retires! I have been very clear with him though that I plan to still have hobbies and do voluntary work when I retire.

With his professional background maybe he could look into becoming a charity trustee or similar? Agree you in aren't his mum, he needs to figure it out for himself, but I think sometimes people don't think ahead to retirement and then can feel a bit lost

nokidshere · 26/08/2023 15:10

Allowing for being at home, being at work, and sleeping, the average couple (prior wfh) who are both working spend just 5 waking hours a day together on weekdays which is 260 hours. 30 days annual leave which is 480 waking hours and 52 weekends which is 1664 hours. So that’s a total of 2404 waking hours in a year. Retirement of both takes those waking hours to 5840, meaning the average extra waking time spent together in retirement is 3436. Obviously the figures change according to your individual circumstances.

I’ve been with DH for 40 years. For the majority of that time we have seen each other for maybe an hour at breakfast time, and 3-5 hours between getting home and bedtime. Holidays were always a treat because we got to spend more time together.

However, that is vastly different from being in the same space all day every day for the rest of your lives together and it does need some real thought on both sides about how it’s going to work. I was definitely concerned prior to retirement date. I am sociable, busy, have many friends who I see regularly and am just as happy with my own company doing nothing much at all. DH on the other hand has few friends, a bit of a loner, needs to have something to do and finds it hard to relax.

We are now 4years in and we have managed, without too much drama or falling out, to create a life that suits us both. My hobbies tend to be indoors whilst he is an outdoors person. We spend, on average, 3 days a week at least doing our own thing with him often out and about. We have our own rooms to retreat to in the house, I paint/create in the dining room and he spends time in the office editing and printing, and expanding his photography with online tutorials and tech stuff. Nothing is set in stone and we can do anything and change anything depending on how we feel that day. He does all the shopping and occasionally I’ll say ‘would you like me to come too’ he almost always says no unless it’s somewhere with mooching/lunch potential. Occasionally he will stay for coffee if my friends come over, but most of the time he says hi, makes us all coffee then potters off to his shed or office to do his own stuff.

not wanting to be joined at the hip, or always be in each others space for company, does not mean we love or like each other any less. It just means that we have learned to live together in harmony and each of us gets what we need/want.

I have to say though, we talked about what we thought it would look like in the months leading up to it, and we have discussed it again since. There is no point being resentful or silently seething if you haven’t communicated your feelings. And I’m not saying it was all easy, we’ve had one or two (blazing but quiet so the teenagers can’t hear) rows but, on the whole it works. The key is communication.

nokidshere · 26/08/2023 15:31

I’m the same. I absolutely adore spending time with my husband. I’d rather be with him than others. We don’t get much time together as we have two young kids but when we do I enjoy it and I don’t have to talk at him but just him sitting next to me or being in the same room is enough. Every lunch break we try and eat together when we can. Before we had kids, I would even butter his bread in restaurants and I used to get funny looks.

You say all of that like you think it means you love your husband more than others because you adore spending time with him and even butter his bread 🙄

you don’t. That’s just the way you do it and it works for you. Me not buttering DH’s bread for him doesn’t mean I love him any less. Or the OP still wanting some space doesn’t mean she loves him less. It’s about finding what works for you both as a couple in order to enjoy life. Life would be very different if we all had the same needs and wants.

YukoandHiro · 26/08/2023 15:39

Well said @nokidshere

Myfabby · 26/08/2023 17:43

YukoandHiro · 26/08/2023 15:39

Well said @nokidshere

very very well said@nokidshere
@Mememe1234 so smug and unhelpful- how is anything you've written relevant or helpful to the OP?

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