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Why do women have affairs with men with young children

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Thegreenpotter · 19/08/2023 22:52

As the title says. Why?

Do they have no concept of the toll that having young children can take on a relationship?

How can they feel ok playing a part in breaking up a family?

This is not to suggest the blame lies with the other women, far from. Just more a curiosity as to why and how they can do so from a moral perspective.

OP posts:
WantingToEducate · 22/08/2023 13:22

Survivingmy3yearold · 22/08/2023 12:47

@WantingToEducate is that really how you feel, that because he had an affair his marriage was obviously damaged and so you didn't do anything wrong? Well I guess you've got to make yourself feel better about the awful thing you willingly did to somebody else and make it all someone else's fault somehow 

@Thewookiemustgo yes, I've given my experience with the OW and been jumped on because I didn't outright say that I blame my ex more. I thought that went without saying and the thread was specifically about the OW and why they do it Confused I will also be having conversations with my children as they grow up regarding behaviour towards others and taking responsibility when your behaviour has been unacceptable and you've hurt others

Nobody can break something that’s already broken. I knew the marriage was already broken and would stay broken whether I was involved with him or not.

At this point in my life I can see what I did was wrong, but at that point in my life I felt no guilt whatsoever. I knew his marriage was obviously not a good one based on the fact he was having an affair with me, and I just didn’t think anymore about it.

Crikeyalmighty · 22/08/2023 14:04

@WantingToEducate well if you never spoke about his marriage or family and just revelled in your chemistry and couple fabulousness- how do you know his marriage was broken and would remain broken whether you were with him or not??

RandomForest · 22/08/2023 14:09

Well seeing as we never spoke about his marriage or his wife, I don’t know what lies you think he would have told me?

@WantingToEducate Yet further up thread you state his marriage was in a terrible state so it didn't matter if he was destroying it further.

How was it terrible, who was being selfish, who was ruining the relationship, maybe it was him, or is it purely because poor menz couldn't get his end away with a wife who was trying to impose boundaries and respect within the marriage.

A relationship doesn't occur in a vacuum, it's not a case of good relationship, bad relationship, marriage is something, especially a long marriage, that constantly changes, power possitions change it really isn't cool for another party to make judgements on another couples union.
There is no way anyone knows what happens behind closed doors and how equal a marriage is.

How on earth you decided to be judge and jury to ease your concience by trying to be a fixer of his life is very immature of you. If your own father was displaying unhappy behaviour would you ring up a prostitute to cheer him up, because well we can't have the poor menz unhappy can we.

Fuck the Mrs at home who really must a 100% more unhappy that her life partner is parting someone elses labia down the road to cheer himself up.

That if you continue your crusade to cheer men up is something which riles married women up, the trope that the marriage must be crap and therefor you are not destroying anything, it's the difference between someone lying in the road and instead of calling an ambulance you decide to kick her in the head and finish the job off.

It's not moral or kind, it's inhumane.

applesandmares · 22/08/2023 14:10

@WantingToEducate I think the first lie he told you was that he'd never cheat on his wife!

WantingToEducate · 22/08/2023 14:21

Crikeyalmighty · 22/08/2023 14:04

@WantingToEducate well if you never spoke about his marriage or family and just revelled in your chemistry and couple fabulousness- how do you know his marriage was broken and would remain broken whether you were with him or not??

The fact he was having an affair in the first place was a pretty good indication that their marriage wasn’t a happy one.

WantingToEducate · 22/08/2023 14:24

applesandmares · 22/08/2023 14:10

@WantingToEducate I think the first lie he told you was that he'd never cheat on his wife!

😂😂😂😂

Very true 😂

RandomForest · 22/08/2023 14:34

I honestly can't see the benefits of being an ow appart from the short term fix of having someone who looks good naked arround and is telling you sweet words to get in your knickers.

The long term effects tend to be quite harsh, lack of respect from women, society, children, family, friends, colleagues and ultimately the guy you thought you could trust, yes they can turn on you if you become boring and expect too much like the wife.
This stuff stays with you as well, people don't forget if it becomes common knowledge and any future relationships you have that end up with problems are met with others gleefully rubbing their hands at your expense.

Women tend to be much more judgemental, you can see that by this thread but to think that men will protect you is absurd, they are bigger bitches than women, they destroy without a second thought and you are unwise to trust them.

Cheating men are not chivalrous in any way shape or form, they are cold, calculating selfish machines that will take advantage of gullible women at every turn but some can put out quite the exterior, sheep in wolves clothing.
If I have any sympathy for ow, it is for this reason that they are roped in to men's selfish desires and ow cultishly believe thier agendas.

Don't allow someone else to pull you down would be my advice.

BlastedPimples · 22/08/2023 14:35

I think people happy in marriages have affairs too. They're just opportunists who don't see why not? Why shouldn't they indulge? And who cares who it hurts? Because me. And me. Did I mention me?

WantingToEducate · 22/08/2023 14:38

Well we’ll definitely have to agree to disagree on this point.

WantingToEducate · 22/08/2023 14:38

BlastedPimples · 22/08/2023 14:35

I think people happy in marriages have affairs too. They're just opportunists who don't see why not? Why shouldn't they indulge? And who cares who it hurts? Because me. And me. Did I mention me?

Well we’ll definitely have to agree to disagree on this point.

Bluebellsandharebells · 22/08/2023 14:45

BlastedPimples · 22/08/2023 14:35

I think people happy in marriages have affairs too. They're just opportunists who don't see why not? Why shouldn't they indulge? And who cares who it hurts? Because me. And me. Did I mention me?

I can go along with that.

When I was 'between husbands' and dating, I found so many contractors working away from home in my area were just looking for an affair.

Some silly girls I knew took up with them, believed their lies and thought they had a real relationship. As soon as the contract finished they were gone, leaving these girls high and dry.
As far as I could see they were opportunists just looking for some NSA extra-marital activity. They had no intentions of leaving their wives or 'making waves'.

WantingToEducate · 22/08/2023 14:51

Bluebellsandharebells · 22/08/2023 14:45

I can go along with that.

When I was 'between husbands' and dating, I found so many contractors working away from home in my area were just looking for an affair.

Some silly girls I knew took up with them, believed their lies and thought they had a real relationship. As soon as the contract finished they were gone, leaving these girls high and dry.
As far as I could see they were opportunists just looking for some NSA extra-marital activity. They had no intentions of leaving their wives or 'making waves'.

It would be very interesting to find out what number of OW actually wanted the MM to leave his wife, and also the number of MM who actually did leave their wives.

I think there are two types of OW:

  1. Those who genuinely see the relationship as something meaningful and envisage a future with the MM and think he feels the same.

  2. Those who are in it for the same reasons as the MM is (company, sex, no ties etc) and where the women are very aware nothing long-term is on the cards and they are perfectly happy with that.

Bluebellsandharebells · 22/08/2023 14:55

According to some research only between 3 and 5% of men leave for their mistresses.

https://www.drmarnionline.com/post/facts-about-being-in-love-with-a-married-man

WantingToEducate · 22/08/2023 15:03

Bluebellsandharebells · 22/08/2023 14:55

According to some research only between 3 and 5% of men leave for their mistresses.

https://www.drmarnionline.com/post/facts-about-being-in-love-with-a-married-man

It’s quite sad really for the OW who genuinely think they’re going to get a happy ending with the MM.

My MM’s wife would have no doubt been devastated when he confessed what he’d done but at least it meant she knew the truth about the kind of man she had married and they separated. The MM was 28-29 years old so I imagine she was about the same age which meant they had time on their side to meet other people and have children if that’s what they wanted.

The MM re-married about 6 years later and I know she eventually re-married too so hopefully they both found happiness with their new spouses.

Survivingmy3yearold · 22/08/2023 15:39

@WantingToEducate has it ever occurred to you that you may have been the factor that broke it for good? Marriages have their ups and downs. In one breath you say you never spoke about it, in the next you seem to know a lot of detail about it. Or are you just making assumptions to make yourself feel better?

WantingToEducate · 22/08/2023 16:03

Survivingmy3yearold · 22/08/2023 15:39

@WantingToEducate has it ever occurred to you that you may have been the factor that broke it for good? Marriages have their ups and downs. In one breath you say you never spoke about it, in the next you seem to know a lot of detail about it. Or are you just making assumptions to make yourself feel better?

As far as I’m concerned, men who are happy in their marriages do not have long-term affairs.

I felt exactly the same way back then and so I didn’t need or want to have any conversations about his marriage because as far as I was concerned it wasn’t a good marriage anyway otherwise he wouldn’t have been having an affair with me.

Yes I understand marriages have ups and downs now that I’m older and married myself, but back then, as a single 23 year old I didn’t think like that or even have any awareness of what a typical marriage was like. The state of their marriage was of absolute no concern of mine and I don’t believe for a minute that if he hadn’t met me then they would have lived happily ever after.

He was obviously unhappy as was proven when he confessed all to her, knowing full well it would probably mean the end of the marriage. If he didn’t want to rock the boat or “cause waves” it would have been a lot easier for him to just keep his mouth shut and pretend it hadn’t happened as opposed to tell his wife about it.

Some people believe that happily married men will still have affairs and that’s their opinion to have.

My opinion is that men who are genuinely happy and fulfilled in their marriages do not have affairs.

Pissedoffandcovidy · 22/08/2023 16:13

I can’t copy and paste but when I Googled I found reference to a study that says 56% of cheating men say they are happy in their primary relationship (Google do happy men cheat research). This makes sense in way as it’s very hard to keep sex novel and exciting in a long term relationship so everything else could be great but the excitement of new hot sex or early days infatuation is just too hard to resist without a strong moral compass.

DrSbaitso · 22/08/2023 16:21

Pissedoffandcovidy · 22/08/2023 16:13

I can’t copy and paste but when I Googled I found reference to a study that says 56% of cheating men say they are happy in their primary relationship (Google do happy men cheat research). This makes sense in way as it’s very hard to keep sex novel and exciting in a long term relationship so everything else could be great but the excitement of new hot sex or early days infatuation is just too hard to resist without a strong moral compass.

I'm actually surprised it's that low. I don't approve of it at all, but I do think a lot of men who cheat do love their wives, find them attractive, have no intention of leaving, but think they can have some extra fun and pleasure and nobody will get hurt because they'll never get caught (yeah, I know, I know).

It says all sorts of things about the man, but it doesn't mean he is unhappy in his marriage.

Thewookiemustgo · 22/08/2023 16:43

Wookie essay alert, feel free to ignore. 😂
I’ve always thought that the trope that men having affairs automatically means their marriage must be an unhappy one isn’t always true, even before my husband had an affair. It’s not true in all cases and regardless which is true, it’s still an inexcusable thing to do.
I think men and women are capable of having a happy home life and marriage and still enjoying the extra validation and ego boost from a different person. You might enjoy fun nights out and sex with somebody else but never want to turn your life upside down for them.
Everyone gets hit on at some point, admiration and flattery feel good too. But it’s what happens next in a monogamous relationship that’s important. Sometimes it’s people just knowing that they are still desirable that’s enough, and it goes nowhere beyond a glance or a quick flirty conversation. Then sometimes this repeats and seems harmless, they think “I’m not actually cheating (definitions here always debatable) so why not enjoy it again?”

The more often you do something the less guilty you feel, and what you allow yourself to do continues, and what continues will escalate. You get so used to lying to yourself with false justifications that the guilt of each escalation gets morally diluted with time and the self-justifications ramp up a notch. When my husband had his affair we were having date nights as usual, sex, happy holidays, he arranged anniversary stuff and family stuff for us to do, both worlds totally compartmentalised.
He wasn’t unhappy at all, he’s admitted he wasn’t, but he also said he told her he was, and he told himself he was, because he had to in order to kill his guilt and keep her invested. I doubt she’d have liked him as much or felt so special and happy to continue to sleep with him if he didn’t.
To invent dissatisfaction and blame me or the marriage did wonders for his guilt and culpability and fanned her ego as his saviour, the poor neglected little lamb, 🙄 and gave her a justification for any qualms she might have had (or not) for her part in the deception and helping him hurt me and our kids.
It was in both their interests to believe that his tragic unhappiness and her opportune wonderfulness was his “why”.
He knew that if he didn’t portray himself as a victim of an unhappy marriage and disinterested wife, and therefore didn’t need OW to ‘save’ him, then she’d see that sincerity wasn’t exactly his strong suit and see where she actually stood. He needed her to think that of course he’d never cheat on his wife and deceive his family for his own selfish ego, no sireee etc etc, ‘cause that would mean he’d just be a selfish entitled cheat, and she might see that she was getting used just for ego boosting and sex and fun on the side.
What MM ever initially tells his potential OW that actually he’s fine at home and his wife is great, thanks very much? Not many, unless they are sure the potential OW is ok with being a fuckbuddy.
“I just want to have sex with you with no expectations of a future real relationship, I’ve already got one I really like. No, I’m not unhappy in my marriage and I want that part of my life to remain intact and unchanged, but I find you attractive, and your flattery and attention makes me feel like a teenager again (his actual words to me were “I felt like James Fucking Bond”.) and nobody is ever going to find out so why not, fancy a shag? I’m never going to leave my wife but I just fancy sex with you and I’ll tell you whatever you (and I) need to hear to get that to happen and keep happening.” Admitted very few MM, if ever.
It’s perfectly possible for people to lie to themselves and let stuff escalate to a situation they thought they never find themselves in. Not an excuse, but absolutely possible. They are fully responsible for getting themselves there and they made all the choices themselves, but it can still shock the hell out of them when they finally face what they’ve done and who they have become. It’s not always a drunken ONS next morning “My God, what have I done?”
I don’t think people actively always set out to cheat. It can be a gradual thing which gets out of control until somebody, or circumstances, force an assessment of the situation and a halt.

You don’t have to be unhappy to pull a stunt like that on yourself. The worst lies are the ones we tell ourselves. It was so tempting to see my husband as the victim of a harpie, a temptress, but he wasn’t. It was his choice, his decision. It started small and gradually escalated. I get why victims of infidelity want to villify OW, it makes it all much more simple. I get why people think they must be unhappy at home (more stealth blaming women for men’s poor choices) But my husband is no Oscar winner and was happy at home. It was very, very clear when it finally started to get to him, I’d had no idea of anything being wrong up to that point.

Read “Mistakes were made but not by me”. It outlines the psychology behind how normal, decent people ended up to their armpits in some of the biggest scandals in history, how lying to themselves plus temptation or validation in some way enabled good people to do stuff they never thought they’d every ever do. Eg good scientists who initially had deep integrity and gradually bent their own rules and ethical standards to submit what they knew were falsified results. Public servants who wanted to do a good job ended up bending rules and breaking the law. Teachers who started out with a deep vocation and initially firmly believing in giving everyone an education on a level playing field, ended up under/ over marking or fudging school results in an attempt to falsify league tables etc to appear better, their initial solid integrity shot to pieces. Different pressures make decent people make bad choices. They don’t have to be evil or unhappy for this to happen. It’s more than usually a frog in gradually boiling water situation than an instant moustache-twirling evil villain moment. Small transgressions easily brushed aside which grow to larger ones, until they’ve got so skilled at lying to themselves and twisting the truth to provide justifications that perspective is lost until they are forced to back up their internal justifications with facts and can’t. They’re not true. Not many people probably wake up one morning and say ”dang it, I’m so unhappy I’m going to look for an affair/ be an OW.”
Happy or unhappy, if it’s flattering and it feels good it just takes lying to yourself and justifying how much you deserve it to turn “I would never, ever” into “why not?”

WantingToEducate · 22/08/2023 16:57

Pissedoffandcovidy · 22/08/2023 16:13

I can’t copy and paste but when I Googled I found reference to a study that says 56% of cheating men say they are happy in their primary relationship (Google do happy men cheat research). This makes sense in way as it’s very hard to keep sex novel and exciting in a long term relationship so everything else could be great but the excitement of new hot sex or early days infatuation is just too hard to resist without a strong moral compass.

Exactly so those men aren’t happy and fulfilled from a sexual point of view and so seek that attention from other women. I totally understand that.

The rest of their relationship may be great and they may class themselves as happy in the marriage for those reasons, but overall, they are not fully satisfied within the marriage which is why they look for satisfaction outside of it.

Which is why I said that I don’t believe any man, who is completely satisfied, happy and fulfilled in his marriage, would cheat.

I’m sure there are lots of unhappy and unsatisfied wives and husbands out there who choose not to cheat and try to work through their marital problems, but there are also the unsatisfied spouses out there who do choose to cheat.

Cheaters will all have their own individual reasons as to why they cheated on their spouse, and all the rest of us can do is make assumptions and guess what those reasons were. Nobody will ever truly know except the cheating spouse themselves.

WantingToEducate · 22/08/2023 17:02

Thewookiemustgo · 22/08/2023 16:43

Wookie essay alert, feel free to ignore. 😂
I’ve always thought that the trope that men having affairs automatically means their marriage must be an unhappy one isn’t always true, even before my husband had an affair. It’s not true in all cases and regardless which is true, it’s still an inexcusable thing to do.
I think men and women are capable of having a happy home life and marriage and still enjoying the extra validation and ego boost from a different person. You might enjoy fun nights out and sex with somebody else but never want to turn your life upside down for them.
Everyone gets hit on at some point, admiration and flattery feel good too. But it’s what happens next in a monogamous relationship that’s important. Sometimes it’s people just knowing that they are still desirable that’s enough, and it goes nowhere beyond a glance or a quick flirty conversation. Then sometimes this repeats and seems harmless, they think “I’m not actually cheating (definitions here always debatable) so why not enjoy it again?”

The more often you do something the less guilty you feel, and what you allow yourself to do continues, and what continues will escalate. You get so used to lying to yourself with false justifications that the guilt of each escalation gets morally diluted with time and the self-justifications ramp up a notch. When my husband had his affair we were having date nights as usual, sex, happy holidays, he arranged anniversary stuff and family stuff for us to do, both worlds totally compartmentalised.
He wasn’t unhappy at all, he’s admitted he wasn’t, but he also said he told her he was, and he told himself he was, because he had to in order to kill his guilt and keep her invested. I doubt she’d have liked him as much or felt so special and happy to continue to sleep with him if he didn’t.
To invent dissatisfaction and blame me or the marriage did wonders for his guilt and culpability and fanned her ego as his saviour, the poor neglected little lamb, 🙄 and gave her a justification for any qualms she might have had (or not) for her part in the deception and helping him hurt me and our kids.
It was in both their interests to believe that his tragic unhappiness and her opportune wonderfulness was his “why”.
He knew that if he didn’t portray himself as a victim of an unhappy marriage and disinterested wife, and therefore didn’t need OW to ‘save’ him, then she’d see that sincerity wasn’t exactly his strong suit and see where she actually stood. He needed her to think that of course he’d never cheat on his wife and deceive his family for his own selfish ego, no sireee etc etc, ‘cause that would mean he’d just be a selfish entitled cheat, and she might see that she was getting used just for ego boosting and sex and fun on the side.
What MM ever initially tells his potential OW that actually he’s fine at home and his wife is great, thanks very much? Not many, unless they are sure the potential OW is ok with being a fuckbuddy.
“I just want to have sex with you with no expectations of a future real relationship, I’ve already got one I really like. No, I’m not unhappy in my marriage and I want that part of my life to remain intact and unchanged, but I find you attractive, and your flattery and attention makes me feel like a teenager again (his actual words to me were “I felt like James Fucking Bond”.) and nobody is ever going to find out so why not, fancy a shag? I’m never going to leave my wife but I just fancy sex with you and I’ll tell you whatever you (and I) need to hear to get that to happen and keep happening.” Admitted very few MM, if ever.
It’s perfectly possible for people to lie to themselves and let stuff escalate to a situation they thought they never find themselves in. Not an excuse, but absolutely possible. They are fully responsible for getting themselves there and they made all the choices themselves, but it can still shock the hell out of them when they finally face what they’ve done and who they have become. It’s not always a drunken ONS next morning “My God, what have I done?”
I don’t think people actively always set out to cheat. It can be a gradual thing which gets out of control until somebody, or circumstances, force an assessment of the situation and a halt.

You don’t have to be unhappy to pull a stunt like that on yourself. The worst lies are the ones we tell ourselves. It was so tempting to see my husband as the victim of a harpie, a temptress, but he wasn’t. It was his choice, his decision. It started small and gradually escalated. I get why victims of infidelity want to villify OW, it makes it all much more simple. I get why people think they must be unhappy at home (more stealth blaming women for men’s poor choices) But my husband is no Oscar winner and was happy at home. It was very, very clear when it finally started to get to him, I’d had no idea of anything being wrong up to that point.

Read “Mistakes were made but not by me”. It outlines the psychology behind how normal, decent people ended up to their armpits in some of the biggest scandals in history, how lying to themselves plus temptation or validation in some way enabled good people to do stuff they never thought they’d every ever do. Eg good scientists who initially had deep integrity and gradually bent their own rules and ethical standards to submit what they knew were falsified results. Public servants who wanted to do a good job ended up bending rules and breaking the law. Teachers who started out with a deep vocation and initially firmly believing in giving everyone an education on a level playing field, ended up under/ over marking or fudging school results in an attempt to falsify league tables etc to appear better, their initial solid integrity shot to pieces. Different pressures make decent people make bad choices. They don’t have to be evil or unhappy for this to happen. It’s more than usually a frog in gradually boiling water situation than an instant moustache-twirling evil villain moment. Small transgressions easily brushed aside which grow to larger ones, until they’ve got so skilled at lying to themselves and twisting the truth to provide justifications that perspective is lost until they are forced to back up their internal justifications with facts and can’t. They’re not true. Not many people probably wake up one morning and say ”dang it, I’m so unhappy I’m going to look for an affair/ be an OW.”
Happy or unhappy, if it’s flattering and it feels good it just takes lying to yourself and justifying how much you deserve it to turn “I would never, ever” into “why not?”

A very good essay 👍

MysteryBelle · 22/08/2023 17:03

I agree with the poster who said a strong moral compass is required. Being happy in a relationship is important but without that moral compass, a person will be “happy” with extramarital relationships at the same time and find a way to justify his or her behavior.

Some people probably have never cheated because they’ve never been tempted. Good looking people and/or rich/successful people will probably have more temptation to have to resist. More people will be attracted to them etc. Youth and immaturity also plays a part. Although not always.

So a strong moral compass is ultimately what determines who will cheat and who will not, the presence of temptation is the testing ground.

Eaudesud · 22/08/2023 17:23

Thewookiemustgo · 22/08/2023 12:29

I think this thread keeps throwing up two different ideas:
the differences between blame/ fault and what constitutes morally reprehensible behaviour.

I don’t think anybody disputes that married men are to blame for having the affair, even those who preface their post with this briefly then say more about the OW. The OP specifically asks about OW so to bang on at the same length about men who have affairs, whilst of course valid in its own context, isn’t what the OP specifically asked. I don’t think it necessarily means that posters who are focusing their anger more on the OW, think that the OW deserves more condemnation, they’re just giving their viewpoint on OW and trying to stick to the topic raised.

If the thread had said ‘why do MM with small children have affairs?’ I’m pretty certain that men would get a total savaging and it would be far clearer to see that most women do actually blame the MM, not the OW.

However part of the answer to the ‘why’ of the OP’s point, hinges on how far the OW feels or doesn’t feel culpable for participating in something they know will devastate the betrayed spouse. That’s a separate issue which doesn’t take culpability for the affair itself from the MM at all. Why the OW does this with a clear conscience appears to hinge on whether or not the OW takes responsibility for the consequences of her actions as well as those of the MM.

It’s every bit as easy for the betrayed spouse try to feel better by blaming the OW and deflecting the blame/ hate from their husband as it is for an OW to deflect the uncomfortable fact that they have participated in seriously hurting someone else by blaming the MM for the hurt that they are going to cause, too.
I just can’t sign up to the belief that it’s ok to deliberately join in doing things that you know will hurt somebody else in full knowledge, even if you think the person you are joining in with is to blame for initiating it. I would never tell either of my children that.

Interesting. Let's leave the emotive question of sex out of it and see if the question of harms still holds up:

You fall, and MM falls, deeply in love and you both decide your futures lie together. Although you do not consumate the relationship at this stage, your decisions profoundly hurt someone else. Does that make your decisions wrong? Does every unhappily married person have to suffer a loveless state until death? Or is the pursuit of true love a justification to end a marriage and cause harm?

Don't both parties to a love match need to accept the potential for changes in feelings? Is some acceptance of risk not baked into being in a human relationship that isn't forced? Can anyone reasonably expect never to have their heart broken? Is that not the jeopardy that comes with relationships?

exDHisatwat · 22/08/2023 17:38

@WantingToEducate

"Exactly so those men aren’t happy and fulfilled from a sexual point of view and so seek that attention from other women. I totally understand that"

Not necessarily, within weeks of leaving for the OW my ex DH was saying he missed me, missed sex with me and I did sleep with him behind the OW's back. We had a seemingly happy marriage, still had great sex, rarely argued and have school age children. He had never said he was unhappy with any aspect of our relationship, until after the affair came out.

I don't think my ex has ever been fully happy within himself, he also has an addictive nature (smoking, gambling, binge drinking). He has always maintained he had no plans to leave for the OW, in the end I kicked him out and he continued seeing her (very on/off). I think some men, however happy they are, will cheat if they get the chance. Then they find themselves in a massive mess and destroy their families lives.

lunaalice · 22/08/2023 17:41

I thought this would be a click bait title.