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Should I forgive him?

73 replies

fellinlovewithawar · 17/08/2023 09:45

For context, my partner and I have been together a year, but have known each other for a long time. He was in therapy for over a year after his 10 year relationship ended and in this time, worked on understanding himself better. I was in therapy for a few months at the beginning of our relationship to try and work through trauma caused my a previous relationship. I found it very difficult to trust my partner, but he did everything he possibly could to make me feel safe with him. Since then, we’ve had a healthy relationship and I trusted him wholeheartedly. I’m 13 weeks pregnant, and we’re moving in together this weekend. He’s got two children already, and I’ve really come to love them both.

I was planning a surprise with his friends for his birthday and so yesterday I opened up his WhatsApp to get one of their numbers while he was in the shower. He’s never been secretive with his phone and I know his passwords. There was a group chat on there called ‘Takeaway Night’. I clicked on it, assuming he’d planned something and hadn’t told me (he’s got a habit of telling me last minute). In there, there was a message from his best friend asking if he was up for some fun again. He said he was, and then his friend sent two pictures of my partner and another woman (his best friend’s wife), one with him going down on her and another of him standing over her. He said something along the lines of “Don’t cover your face insert name” in response to one of the pictures. His friend then said “I bet you can’t wait to slide back in her again”, and he said he wanted to. She replied saying she felt embarrassed, and didn’t really engage anymore. His friend said that she still had a question to answer, and my partner said “Yes you do, don’t be shy”. There was nothing after this.

At the same time, my partner and I had been texting and talking about the future. There had been nothing that had happened between us to warrant that. We’d been having regular sex throughout the pregnancy, and I would’ve said we were in a really positive place. I confronted my partner and he was ashamed, he didn’t try and make excuses for it or beg me to stay. He said there was nothing to justify it, other than it was a moment of stupidity and he was just placating his friend who has this ‘kink’. He explained that shortly after he’d broken up with his ex, he engaged in this threesome with them and they’d tried a few times since to get him to do it again and he’d turned them down.

I didn’t know any of this until yesterday, and my partner has gone round maybe two, or three times to this friends when his wife has been there. He says there was no intent to act on it, but I don’t know what to think. Deep down, I don’t believe he has ever cheated on me. I don’t believe there was any intent. He barely goes out, his idea of a ‘night out’ is board games over a friend’s house and he’s been an amazing partner up until yesterday. I’ve never found anything that would make me question him, and he’s been very honest throughout out relationship. He seems absolutely devastated and ashamed. I want to forgive him and move past it, but I don’t know if I’m just being naive. I want to do what’s best for me, and my baby. I just feel it’s so unfair.

OP posts:
JibbaJab · 17/08/2023 09:50

Sorry you're in this position, that's hard.

I can understand if it was beforehand but I don't really understand why he would encourage it or go along with it, while not being interested and with you now?

RatherBeRiding · 17/08/2023 09:52

It's a messy relationship isn't it? You've both had therapy, you've really not been 'together' very long, you're having a baby (probably way too soon but what's done is done so best to concentrate now on what's best for the child) and now you've uncovered this...... whatever it is.

Only you know whether you can move past this. Once trust has gone it is very difficult to rebuild and he sounds as though he has questionable values if he is engaging in this kind of online conversation. Is it a dealbreaker? It would be for most people. Certainly for me.

YoSof · 17/08/2023 09:55

I’m really confused, apologies if it’s my reading comprehension.

The pictures were of your partner going down on his best friends wife, and this happened while you were together?

Specso · 17/08/2023 09:55

If you think you’ll be able to live with it without being constantly paranoid that he’s up to no good then by all means stay with him.

If not then please don’t subject yourself to a future filled with anxiety, worry and suspicion which will leave you constantly on edge and needing to check up, look on his phone and generally play detective.

If you can’t trust him and you don’t feel safe and secure there’s honestly no point because it will kill the relationship in the end and you’ll be a shell of your former self at the end of it. Personally I wouldn’t be able to trust him after seeing that but it doesn’t matter what anyone else would do, it only matters how you feel.

Olika · 17/08/2023 09:59

I am so sorry you have to go through this especially while pregnant. Did they have 3some while you two were already together? Was this WhatsApp exchange while you two were already together?

JibbaJab · 17/08/2023 10:02

@YoSof How I read it was the pictures were from before they were together but then recently he has responded saying he would like to again.

OP said he told her he was just encouraging his friends kink but wasn't interested. Which doesn't make sense to me, personally.

YoSof · 17/08/2023 10:03

Ahh I see!

rainbowstardrops · 17/08/2023 10:04

Did they have a threesome while you've been together, or after he'd finished with his ex?
It's still a bit iffy to me and not my thing but we're all different I suppose?
Even if it was before you both got together, I think he should have said something as it involves his best friend's wife and will presumably be difficult to avoid?

fellinlovewithawar · 17/08/2023 10:05

Olika · 17/08/2023 09:59

I am so sorry you have to go through this especially while pregnant. Did they have 3some while you two were already together? Was this WhatsApp exchange while you two were already together?

Thank you. I’m not sure I worded it very well. The threesome happened long before we were together. The WhatsApp conversation about doing it again happened yesterday.

OP posts:
fellinlovewithawar · 17/08/2023 10:11

RatherBeRiding · 17/08/2023 09:52

It's a messy relationship isn't it? You've both had therapy, you've really not been 'together' very long, you're having a baby (probably way too soon but what's done is done so best to concentrate now on what's best for the child) and now you've uncovered this...... whatever it is.

Only you know whether you can move past this. Once trust has gone it is very difficult to rebuild and he sounds as though he has questionable values if he is engaging in this kind of online conversation. Is it a dealbreaker? It would be for most people. Certainly for me.

Thank you for the reply. It honestly isn’t a messy relationship, which is what I’m struggling with. I should probably explain it better. He started his therapy well before we were together. He’d never really got in touch with his emotions before, so when his relationship broke down he took steps to try and understand himself better. I started therapy when we started out, as I was bringing old relationship trauma into ours. We both took steps to work on ourselves, which meant we’ve had a really healthy relationship. We were excited for the baby. I’ve struggled with unexplained infertility prior to this relationship, so this pregnancy is so wanted. This is why I’m so confused by his actions.

OP posts:
JibbaJab · 17/08/2023 10:23

If it was me I would have shut that down rather than encouraging it, because I'm in a relationship and have a child on the way, I've moved on from that time.

You could look at it that he hasn't cheated on you but at the same time why would you even entertain it, to the point the wife was in the discussion.

Unless he's just totally oblivious to how that was wrong and would be hurtful towards you and also jeopardize your relationship...if you hadn't of found that message?

I dunno only you can decide really but I would be confused as to what to think to be honest.

bjrce · 17/08/2023 10:29

He's only ashamed and devastated since you caught him out - he didn't have any problem saying he'd like to do it again.

I really feel for you - being pregnant.

LittleBrownJug · 17/08/2023 10:29

It’s the WhatsApp messages that would bother me, not the fact he’s had a threesome long before you got together. @JibbaJab has got it spot on.

BabyTa · 17/08/2023 10:30

Sounds dreadful- I would absolutely leave. Even if you try to forgive him it will keep coming up again.

Olika · 17/08/2023 10:31

@fellinlovewithawar thank you for clarifying. Personally if this was my husband I would sit down and lay it on the table very clear: you are now in a serious relationship and we are having a baby. Entertaining any conversation like is is very disrespectful towards me and our relationship. The right thing to do is to shut down any convo and surely you understand this. If you ever disrespect me like this again I will walk out.

But I have zero patience for any shit. For me it's very black and white with my husband and he knows what happens if he does anything that violates our relationship and family.

Mummy08m · 17/08/2023 10:37

The whole thing sounds really sinister with these two men texting this woman explicit photos of her from the past, and "jokey" sexual propositions and she's responding in an embarrassed way. Almost revenge-porn-like.

Your dp doesn't sound like the kind of man I'd want to have kids with tbh. I'd rather be a single mum

Mummy08m · 17/08/2023 10:40

I'm not clear if the other two in the chat are husband and wife or if it's some third man's wife. If they're a couple, it doesn't sound like she's as happy with the setup as her husband is. Pretty horrific situation if that's the case and I don't think any nice man would want to get involved. Maybe I'm saying 1+1=3 but in any case, I'd be backing away swiftly

SeatonCarew · 17/08/2023 10:41

It's for you to decide whether you continue with this relationship OP, but if I were you I'd be doing some serious investigations into what's gone on. His claim he wouldn't follow it through is meaningless - they all claim this, he was an active participant in the chat, and he's done it before - so he really needs to step up big time to earn a place in any continuing relationship.

As a minimum, my first requirement would be he drops this friendship totally with immediate effect. This "friend" is toxic to your relationship.

Cowlover89 · 17/08/2023 10:42

I couldn't stay with someone like that. You deserve better x

bjrce · 17/08/2023 11:15

The situation appears to be - the best friend texting OPs DP. Also in the Group chat it appears to be the best friends wife.

The horrific thing about it is - the most recent texts were from yesterday where the OPs DP stated he'd like to do a Threesome again.

Wouldn't the DP Best friend and wife be aware of the OPs relationship and her pregnancy. If they are - they probably don't care - making them utter scumbags. I couldn't have anything to do with them

I could perhaps understand if this all occurred before the OPs relationship started, but that's not the case.

Its pretty grim all round. You DP is only panicking because he's been found out.

I know you think you love him and he's a good person who's worked on himself, but you need to think of yourself and your baby.

He's not good enough for you.

determinedtomakethiswork · 17/08/2023 11:20

So recently your partner said he wanted some more fun? Get rid. It doesn't even sound as though the woman is a willing participant.

VeridicalVagabond · 17/08/2023 11:21

So next time you're hanging out with them as a couple you get the joy of knowing that your partner has had sex with everyone in the room, and has discussed doing so again while you're pregnant with his child and moving in with him.

Sorry but this would be a no from me. It's so disrespectful to you.

I think you've rushed things with this man, you spent the first quarter of your relationship in therapy for past trauma and are already pregnant, moved in and met and spend enough time with his children to love them in the space of a year. Most people would spread that out over a bit more time.

PrimalOwl10 · 17/08/2023 11:24

Your being naive he's clearly cheated on you op. Hes been round their house. It's a short relationship where both you have emotional baggage. There's a reason his ling term relationship ended. End out now whilst you can make an informed choice.

Lilithlogic · 17/08/2023 11:50

Not sure if it's crossed your mind, but do you think he has given you access to his messages to test the waters with you. He may have thoughts of you joining in with his friends.

Pinkdelight3 · 17/08/2023 11:57

I couldn't forgive him or trust him because he's so obviously lying to you. What kind of fool does he think you are that he only did that under duress to placate his friend's kink?? What a croc! I'd have more respect for him if he owned it, but to make out that it was some big mistake that he's mortified by and regrets - you know that's not true from the tone of the whatsapp messages. Why on earth would you swallow his story about it now? So no, on that basis I wouldn't forgive him and I couldn't trust him. I also wouldn't have moved in with a man with 2 DC and all those issues so soon and chosen to have a baby with him at such an early stage either, but it's not too late to move out and go it alone. Don't lower your standards out of some feeling of desperation. If you're feeling insecure now, it's not going to get better as your pregnancy goes on and when you've had the baby. Trust is fundamental and bottom line is you don't know him.

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