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Should I forgive him?

73 replies

fellinlovewithawar · 17/08/2023 09:45

For context, my partner and I have been together a year, but have known each other for a long time. He was in therapy for over a year after his 10 year relationship ended and in this time, worked on understanding himself better. I was in therapy for a few months at the beginning of our relationship to try and work through trauma caused my a previous relationship. I found it very difficult to trust my partner, but he did everything he possibly could to make me feel safe with him. Since then, we’ve had a healthy relationship and I trusted him wholeheartedly. I’m 13 weeks pregnant, and we’re moving in together this weekend. He’s got two children already, and I’ve really come to love them both.

I was planning a surprise with his friends for his birthday and so yesterday I opened up his WhatsApp to get one of their numbers while he was in the shower. He’s never been secretive with his phone and I know his passwords. There was a group chat on there called ‘Takeaway Night’. I clicked on it, assuming he’d planned something and hadn’t told me (he’s got a habit of telling me last minute). In there, there was a message from his best friend asking if he was up for some fun again. He said he was, and then his friend sent two pictures of my partner and another woman (his best friend’s wife), one with him going down on her and another of him standing over her. He said something along the lines of “Don’t cover your face insert name” in response to one of the pictures. His friend then said “I bet you can’t wait to slide back in her again”, and he said he wanted to. She replied saying she felt embarrassed, and didn’t really engage anymore. His friend said that she still had a question to answer, and my partner said “Yes you do, don’t be shy”. There was nothing after this.

At the same time, my partner and I had been texting and talking about the future. There had been nothing that had happened between us to warrant that. We’d been having regular sex throughout the pregnancy, and I would’ve said we were in a really positive place. I confronted my partner and he was ashamed, he didn’t try and make excuses for it or beg me to stay. He said there was nothing to justify it, other than it was a moment of stupidity and he was just placating his friend who has this ‘kink’. He explained that shortly after he’d broken up with his ex, he engaged in this threesome with them and they’d tried a few times since to get him to do it again and he’d turned them down.

I didn’t know any of this until yesterday, and my partner has gone round maybe two, or three times to this friends when his wife has been there. He says there was no intent to act on it, but I don’t know what to think. Deep down, I don’t believe he has ever cheated on me. I don’t believe there was any intent. He barely goes out, his idea of a ‘night out’ is board games over a friend’s house and he’s been an amazing partner up until yesterday. I’ve never found anything that would make me question him, and he’s been very honest throughout out relationship. He seems absolutely devastated and ashamed. I want to forgive him and move past it, but I don’t know if I’m just being naive. I want to do what’s best for me, and my baby. I just feel it’s so unfair.

OP posts:
Silvers11 · 17/08/2023 14:45

Ok - while I agree most posters are simply saying what most of us would be immediately thinking is the obvious, I would also say that it MIGHT not be the obvious.

The best friend sounds like an even bigger dick , since that was pictures of his wife he was throwing about and the friend clearly is still into threesomes though. Is he the same friend that your Partner visits for Board Games?

If it isn't the same friend and it all happened a number of years ago, it IS though also perfectly possible that your Partner was just being cocky with his friend and didn't mean it but was just doing the typical Male image thing to another male. Very childish of course, but only you can decide whether that is worth forgiving (once).

From what you have said, so far, if it were me I would probably give him another chance - but I would make it clear that it's a one strike and you're out approach. Plus I would put off moving in with him for a few weeks until you are sure what you want to do?

bjrce · 17/08/2023 14:45

He’s also spoken to his best friend, and they won’t be talking again. I didn’t ask him to do this. His friend was more concerned about everyone finding out about his little kink

That's to shut you up!
Do you honestly think he is never going to speak to his mate again.

You sound very naïve! It also sounds like you want to move on from this and convincing yourself he's still a "good Guy"! This was a blip, before he meet you!

From where we're standing he and his mate sound like utter creeps!
Its who he is, guys like him don't change. So long as you don't stop him going to his "Board Games"! you'll be fine!

Pinkdelight3 · 17/08/2023 14:47

The chances of it being a one-off from long ago and this message yesterday that you happened to see being the only instance of it being floated again... C'mon, you've gotta know that is beyond unlikely. And to top it all, him not shutting it down. It's simply not credible. The best mate piping up 8 years later with a random offer to fuck his missus and your DP doesn't say - 'ah mate, that was years ago, I'm happy with OP now and got a baby on the way.' That would make sense. The response he actually gave isn't just cocky bravura, it's someone who is used to this, not surprised by the offer, and genuinely into it. Whatever else he's done or doing now to make himself seem innocent is all damage limitation. This is the gut instinct you need to listen to -

I just can’t get past him entertaining it now

Not the flannel and denials. It just won't wash. You caught him out. So sorry.

Busubaba · 17/08/2023 14:47

'She replied saying she felt embarrassed, and didn’t really engage anymore.'

Am I the only one who has concerns that the wife was coerced into being pimped out for her husbands pleasure?

She may well have been up for it but what if she was being forced to do it, either with the threat of a physical punishment or emotional abuse?

Did your boyfriend consider this? Did he even care?

How would he feel now if it came out that he had effectively raped this woman?

Sherrycat · 17/08/2023 14:50

Op you’d be surprised at the amount of dirty little secrets I’ve known about people over the yrs. you never really know someone, but this guy has given you an insight into his character already. Please don’t give up your home & move in with him. You will deeply regret it & will always wonder if they’re carrying on behind your back.

Emmylou22 · 17/08/2023 14:57

I'd feel very uncomfortable about this for many reasons!

Firstly he's engaged in conversation with his friend that entertains it happening again. It may well have happened long before you met but he's discussing it with the other parties in a flirtatious manner. When he has a new partner with a baby on the way!! So disrespectful even if he didn't intend to act on it.

Secondly the woman involved has expressed her embarrassment and refused to engage in conversation about it. The two men involved are sharing pornographic pictures of her and talking about her in an inappropriate way, despite her discomfort.

Thirdly why is he friends with this man who appears to pimp out his wife?

Frogmila · 17/08/2023 15:00

Is there any way you can cancel the move until you've at least processed this in full, in your own time? You've not been together long and he has just thrown a big, yucky spanner in the works even if he didn't physically cheat that you know of.

The main thing is that he was asked whether he wanted to have sex with another woman and he said 'yes'. He didn't say 'no, I have a partner now'. This is all with people you know. It's all very offputting to me.

It is also gross that they were seemingly having this conversation when she was not willing. This isn't someone I would want to give up my secure home for.

Pinkdelight3 · 17/08/2023 15:01

Thirdly why is he friends with this man who appears to pimp out his wife?

Right. Because he's into it. Him cutting the friend off now is pure performance. This is his best mate, he knows what he's like and he doesn't just tolerate it, he joins in and enjoys it. Porn sites are full of this stuff and plenty of blokes like it, while the women I suspect are the ones going through it under duress to placate their men. The men are doing it because they want to. Don't kid yourself.

Fourlegsandatail · 17/08/2023 15:03

If my DH sent a WhatsApp message yesterday agreeing to participate in a future threesome with his best friend and his best friend’s wife he’d be my ex DH.

Anxioys · 17/08/2023 15:25

Feel free to judge your man by his actions and the company he keeps.

He should not have texted positively.

FartSock5000 · 17/08/2023 15:35

@fellinlovewithawar for me, there are 2 issues to unpack here.

1 is that he enjoys indulging his mates with porn kink fantasies. He could have told his mate "not for me anymore, happy with X". Instead he encouraged the 'banter'. He encouraged the joking about cheating on you. A confident man would have shut that down.

2 is he is sharing and joking about that poor woman like she is a piece of meat. It's disgusting. He sounds weak and pathetic. It's easier to go along with things than set boundaries.

He may well love you to bits and only want you forever but his so called therapy hasn't worked that well and his deeper misogyny is an issue as well as his lack of boundaries.

I wouldn't be having children with a man like this. You're stuck now so you'd better learn to be a strong voice so your DC doesn't grow up like their pig of a father.

MillWood85 · 17/08/2023 16:59

I'm a very firm believer in gut instinct, OP, and yours is trying to tell you something.

At the very least, do ask your MW about having an STI check, just to make sure that he hasn't done anything to risk your health. It could have massive implications on your baby and wellbeing.

maybebalancing · 17/08/2023 17:01

The best friend is an abusive fuckwit, I feel very sorry for his wife.
Your bloke isn't much better.

You have rushed into having a dc but you are where you are with that now.

You don't have to stay with someone who puts his best friend's feelings before some basic respect for his girlfriend and mother of his child.

He honestly sounds like an absolute slime.

MissHarrietBede · 17/08/2023 17:29

Am I the only one who has concerns that the wife was coerced into being pimped out for her husbands pleasure?

No you're not. It's totally grim.

It seems OP's so called 'partner' is well up for another go, though.

Lili132 · 17/08/2023 17:40

How do you know it happened years ago? Do you have any proof or are you going with what he's saying. I highly doubt his friend would send him that kind of message if it was something that happened long time ago, especially if he knows he's in the relationship now and has a child on a way.

Seaswimmingforthesoul · 17/08/2023 18:01

This is so awful, I am so sorry OP.
Everyone is different, but for me, the whole thing would be an absolute no no. Sex with his best friend, threesomes with him and his wife, making jokes about it, receiving photos and not deleting them, entertaining the idea again, not being open and honest with you. None of these things point to someone I'd want to be around or to have as the father of my child. It would have been over for me the second I saw those messages.
But, only you know where your line is.
Very sorry 😞

cuckyplunt · 17/08/2023 18:02

Have a bit of self- esteem and run for the hills woman!

category12 · 17/08/2023 18:11

Seriously do you think you're going to be able to trust him when you're heavily pregnant and when you're too exhausted for sex because you have a newborn?

All the doubt you're trying to push down now is going to come back in spades.

His answers on the chat were not those of a faithful man.

LadyLolaRuben · 17/08/2023 18:14

This issue will never be forgotten. I couldn't trust him again. Youve seen for yourself that he's said he's up for doing it again. The only thing he's ashamed about is being caught. Kick his sorry arse out of your life. You could never trust what he says again or watch him on his phone without wondering what he's up to.

I'd then call his best mate telling him he can have your partner and he's a disrespectful prick sending messages like that knowing he's in a relationship with you...but thats just me x

Seaoftroubles · 17/08/2023 18:24

So is this why his previous 10 year relationship ended? Because he was cheating on his then partner with this so called friend and his wife?

MakeItRain · 17/08/2023 18:46

He didn't shut the conversation down, and he he ignored the woman's discomfort. He's happy to share pornographic images of a woman who openly says she's embarrassed. It's also obvious from the conversation this isn't somebody randomly bringing up something from the past. My advice would be run for the hills.

Mummy08m · 17/08/2023 18:58

It's not even about the cheating aspect.

I would much rather my dh had an affair with a woman in a respectful way and with mutual consent. It'd be hard but I could forgive it, If he wanted to try again at our marriage.

Compare that to what your dp seems to be doing, which is (possibly) taking part in an arrangement where a woman is potentially being coerced. I could never ever get past it if I thought my dh was complicit in something abusive. My god, would you want that kind of man near your kids? Influencing them?

Shapemyeyebrows · 17/08/2023 21:32

@fellinlovewithawar nope, this sounds very seedy and so disrespectful in many ways. I personally just wouldn’t be able to continue a relationship with a man like this. Firstly, this is a man prepared to shag his best mates wife. That’s a bit messed up and I couldn’t be with someone who doesn’t have similar boundaries to me. It also sounds like the wife isn’t exactly fully on board there either so that part makes me uncomfortable as well. Then theres the fact he’s still clearly ready and willing to do it again even though he’s with you and expecting a baby. I would also assume these pics are pretty recent and if he’s been round there without you for a night then my money would be on the fact he’s done this whilst being with you. I also don’t believe he will just suddenly cut off his best mate. And if this is the type of friendships he has then no thanks. I just couldn't be with a man like this. Also, who’s to say he’s not taking pics of you and sending them his mate?

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