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At wits end with MIL! Help!

74 replies

Govangirl · 01/08/2023 22:49

It’s half 10 as I write this and I’m exhausted and up in bloody tears of frustration, so any help is greatly appreciated!

DH and I had our first baby 5 weeks ago, it was a horrific birth (very traumatic emcs) and I’m still getting my feet on the ground and feeling very weepy and tired. DD was born small at 5lb and has just been promoted to newborn size, so we’re constantly feeding and changing and it’s all very hectic, but what we were warned she would be small, we expected and planned for it, and we are so deliriously in love with her.

The issue is my MIL. DH and I have been together for 6 years, married for 2, and she is usually very lovely and considerate. As soon as we told them I was pregnant, something seemed to snap. She insisted that she came to every ultrasound (no), that she helped decorate the baby’s nursery (very grateful but no thank you), have a say in the baby’s name (no), and that she would be in the birthing suite with me (absolutely not).

We very gently let her down towards the start, but by the end I was so swollen it looked like my legs belonged to someone else, I had gestational diabetes, and I was on bed rest for a fortnight so I was knackered and I must admit I did tell her to back off once (or twice or maybe three times). I apologised to her soon after each time, and she seemed to understand and would settle before flaring up again. DH did have some stern words, but she kept saying it’s her first grandchild, she’s a grandmother too (in rebuttal to my own mum being at the birth) and DD is “25% hers” 🤨

Yesterday was honestly the day from hell itself. We were picking them up to go into town, and DD had what can only be described as an apocalyptic poo, so I asked to dash inside to hose her down and get her (and myself) changed. Once inside MIL hovered over my shoulder the entire time, and even lit and began to smoke a cigarette right next to me and DD. DH and I both asked her to stop or go outside, but she said it was her own house (true) and that smoking doesn’t harm babies that young (not true, obviously). I was already ticked off but could do without the row so did what I needed to and we went out.

In town MIL kept asking to push the pram, and when I didn’t let her she held onto the side of the handlebar instead. DH could see I was almost at boiling point and tried to intervene but it all fell on deaf ears. FIL seemed oblivious.

By the time we sat down in a cafe I was beyond peeved. Whilst burping DD over my shoulder, MIL came up and round to my side of the table and gave her a whacking great smack on the back before I could even process what was happening. DD obviously screamed like a banshee, DH nearly erupted, and I started to cry (and leaked through my tshirt, which was a joy). I’m so so so fed up, and whilst DH is doing what he feels he can, I keep wondering if he could do more.

She will not listen to me at all now DD is here, and there have been more than one occasions where I’ve turned to find her smoking next to DD, being a bit rough with her, or being altogether negligent, like when she was changing her nappy whilst smoking and got ash on the changing mat (I had stepped out for a wee and nearly sprung off the walls when I saw).

Would it be right to ‘suspends’ visits for now? DD is just so small, and I’m so unbelievably tired, and she’s doing my absolute head in. DH has promised he will talk to her, but I fear we’ll enter another settled phase and a flare will linger on the horizon and cause me undue grief.

My mum has had some choice words with her, but they seem to be in a war of the grandmothers at the moment, so might not be best to active that weapon right now.

DD is once again wailing for a feed, or a change, or just because she feels like it and to be honest I don’t blame her! Either way I’ll end it here. All views welcome (esp any MILs, would be brill to rationalise some of this behaviour if I can).

Ta x

OP posts:
DismantledKing · 01/08/2023 22:51

You’d be completely within your rights to have nothing to do with her. She sounds fucking nuts.

Totaly · 01/08/2023 22:53

My best advice is to stop making it about her and start putting into words your feelings.
Change the narrative so your DH doesn’t feel like he’s in the middle.

fairymary87 · 01/08/2023 22:57

Now it's time to really be a mum. You need to tell her this stops now or she doesn't see her. This is not her child. It's not. You need to be blunt, and she needs to learn! She's absolutely disrespectful

Doggytastic · 01/08/2023 22:58

Flipping heck! I’d be fuming! Less contact with het is a MUST!

EthicalNonMahogany · 01/08/2023 22:59

Purely for the smoking. i wouldn't have anyone near my tiny prem 5w old who had been smoking that day!!! And who hadn't changed all their clothes! let alone getting a fag on by the changing mat.

Flangeosaurus · 01/08/2023 23:00

Oh god she sounds fucking unhinged. WHY do some people behave like this! There’s no other way to deal with it, you’ll have to activate the nuclear option. Very calm, very collected, very focussed on how her behaviour is making you feel. Just tell her. Tell her she’s not welcome around your baby whilst she disrespects you and that you absolutely will not have your baby subjected to smoke. No you will not discuss it further, no you will not compromise, that’s it, all done. If DH wants to continue to see her ALONE he can do.

AlltheFs · 01/08/2023 23:01

We only have one smoker in our family (step MIL), she was not allowed anywhere near DD as a baby and now she is 4 we limit contact as much as possible. They choose to smoke, we choose to not allow them to inflict themselves on our child.

For that alone she’d be banished. As for the rest of it, she’s batshit.

I’d have it out with her, you will feel much better. Sod being nice.

I have a shitty MIL too, but fortunately she lives overseas and DH is very LC with her due to his toxic childhood. You are allowed to do whatever is necessary to protect your child and you.

Nunganungas · 01/08/2023 23:03

EthicalNonMahogany · 01/08/2023 22:59

Purely for the smoking. i wouldn't have anyone near my tiny prem 5w old who had been smoking that day!!! And who hadn't changed all their clothes! let alone getting a fag on by the changing mat.

Yeah this!!!!

frazzledasarock · 01/08/2023 23:03

Stop all visits.

tell her no. You’re tired she is not helping, you don’t want a smoker around your Tony preemie, you don’t give a fuck what she thinks about it, medical professionals agree that it’s not safe for your child and your tired. You do not need her to make a hard time worse.

and then ignore her and any flying monkeys entirely. Block her on everything and don’t engage.

Moveoverdarlin · 01/08/2023 23:03

She sounds awful. Truly awful. I would say ‘Look Sheila, I’m at breaking point over here. I want you to be involved but we’re going to have a massive fall out soon. You can NOT smoke around the baby. Like not in a mile radius of her. She’s on the small side and if you think cigarette smoke is not harmful to her than you are frankly fucking delusional. That is a deal breaker for me and DH I’m afraid. If you smoke around her again, or drop ash on her changing mat, you won’t be seeing her. She isn’t 25 percent yours. She’s 100 percent mine. The way you hit her when I was winding her the other day was also out of order. I nearly exploded with rage to be honest. This is supposed to be the happiest time of my life and you alone are completely spoiling it for me. I know you’ve brought up your own kids but that was 30 odd years ago and things change. Me and DH are doing it our way.’

Dasisr · 01/08/2023 23:05

It’s borderline negligent by you and your DH to let her smoke on the baby. That stops or she doesn’t see her. I wouldn’t care if it’s her house I would not allow it. She sounds unhinged.

FictionalCharacter · 01/08/2023 23:13

Even without all her other crap, she’s smoking around a tiny 5 week old premature baby and won’t stop doing it. That alone, for me, would mean no more visits. At all. Whether your dh backs you up or not, this has to stop.

Doyathinkhesaurus · 01/08/2023 23:15

As other people have said, I would tell her smoking near the baby is a deal breaker. She has to stop smoking around the bairn or she doesn't get access. Put your big girl pants on and draw the lines in the sand now. Follow through with removing access if she won't play nicely. I would also give her a job. Put her in charge of something - hello fresh ordering, baby laundry, buying tartan paint... Whatever works for you. Reward her with accessGrin

FictionalCharacter · 01/08/2023 23:17

PS She’s rough with your baby too, that’s another reason to keep away from her. How can anyone be rough with a 5 pound baby?! She honestly sounds like there’s something wrong with her.

NicholJO · 01/08/2023 23:20

Get a grip mumsnetters I'm 41 surely your mum told you the midwife slapped your backsaid to make you cry or to bring up hard wind the smoking that's a definite no but she's your baby tell your mil she wants to smoke then fuck away from my baby

Harryyourenogoodalone · 01/08/2023 23:21

Do what you know is right. Smoking around a prem 5 weeker is a no no to me.

Raindancer411 · 01/08/2023 23:21

I would be suspending all contact for the moment. Your DH needs to explain why to her and that in time you will try again but for now your DDs best interest is to keep away from anyone smoking or rough handling, and to be honest, even in future I would be monitoring any contact.

mrstea301 · 01/08/2023 23:25

My friends partner was still a smoker when their first baby was born, and the health visitor told them that every single time he had a cigarette, in order to try and make it as safe as possible for baby, he should

  • go to the bottom of the garden, as far as possible from the house
  • smoke his cigarette
  • come back to the house
-change his top
  • wash his hands and face THOROUGHLY
  • brush his teeth and use mouthwash.

Then it would be ok to be near baby. He gave up smoking shortly after. Any way that you could maybe say your health visitor has said similar? She may take it better from some other person outside the family.

If not, I'd be stopping visits. She doesn't get an automatic right to the baby, especially if she can't even hold herself back from smoking while she's around!

limemarmaladeisbetter · 01/08/2023 23:27

Moveoverdarlin · 01/08/2023 23:03

She sounds awful. Truly awful. I would say ‘Look Sheila, I’m at breaking point over here. I want you to be involved but we’re going to have a massive fall out soon. You can NOT smoke around the baby. Like not in a mile radius of her. She’s on the small side and if you think cigarette smoke is not harmful to her than you are frankly fucking delusional. That is a deal breaker for me and DH I’m afraid. If you smoke around her again, or drop ash on her changing mat, you won’t be seeing her. She isn’t 25 percent yours. She’s 100 percent mine. The way you hit her when I was winding her the other day was also out of order. I nearly exploded with rage to be honest. This is supposed to be the happiest time of my life and you alone are completely spoiling it for me. I know you’ve brought up your own kids but that was 30 odd years ago and things change. Me and DH are doing it our way.’

This exactly.

I'd also call her Sheila, because she bloody deserves it and it cracks me up.

On a serious note, sorry to hear you have this nutter of a MIL. DH does need to knock any cigarette that comes out of the packet out of her hand. No reason it should even be lit.

And the burping back slap incident was shocking.

FDxx · 01/08/2023 23:32

Oh no, she’s bang out of order! This sounds horrific 😑 It’s hard enough just trying to get through that part without having to deal with someone like that. She doesn’t appear to care or take the hint from anything you’ve done/said so far. No one is ‘entitled’ to be anywhere in relation to baby other than you and your partner. She is literally going against NHS/SIDS guidelines and has done multiple times so I would just suspend visits then have very short controlled visits afterwards on your ground, in your terms.

ValerieDoonican · 01/08/2023 23:35

You don't have to see her. Neither you nor the baby need her. Quite opposite. Now is the time for for your dh to step up as a husband and father and back your decision not to see her at all until at least you and baby are fully on track,and then, only with ZERO smoking. If she can't manage that, too bad. She doesn't get ro harm your baby.

SarahAndQuack · 01/08/2023 23:38

If he can (I do get that family dynamics are complicated), your DH needs to explain that you are not up to visits right now. You are recovering from a really traumatic experience. If your mum is there, it's because she's there to look after you, not because there's any 'grandmother competition'.

I wouldn't get into guilt tripping about what she's done unless she pushes back, not because I think smoking around a baby is ok (!), but because the main focus here is you. Your DH might want to ramp up how ill you've been and how hard your recovery is, because it sounds as if your MIL, in her focus on the baby, hasn't really taken on board that side of it.

If your DH can't or won't step up, same. Tell her you are recovering; you can't cope with visits. Nor can the baby, who is still quite fragile. If it will help, ask your health visitor what s/he thinks and then quote it religiously to MIL. I doubt very much any decent HV will suggest you increase the numbers of visits from someone smoking and dropping ash over your baby.

I would get your mum to back off, though. Just in terms of dealing with the situation, your mum ought to at least pretend she's no idea you have an issue with MIL. That way it stops being about 'grandmothers in competition'.

Dombasle · 01/08/2023 23:38

How bizarre to think it's acceptable in this day and age to smoke near a premature/new born baby or any baby!

"Look granny, we don't want anyone smoking near the baby so until you agree to never smoke near her or preferably give up, WE are putting a stop to your visiting us or we visiting you.

Don't entertain any further conversation.

YellowReadingLamp · 01/08/2023 23:39

You owe this woman NOTHING. So what if she is the mother of your partner?

STOP all visits. When she kicks off tell her straight - if you wish to see MY baby then I expect NO SMOKING...etc. She either complies or she doesn't see the baby.

It really is that simple. I'd refuse to tolerate this and if that made me hated by OHs family I really couldn't give any shits (as they clearly don't about your baby's health).

Natty13 · 01/08/2023 23:39

Cut back on visits. Cut right down to nothing. Then:
option 1- wait til she complains about not seeing "her grandbaby" and you reply "hi Susan, we asked you many times not to smoke around her/be rough with her/take her out of our arms when we said no/insert here. Unfortunately since you chose to keep doing that so weve decided to cut down on the time we soend together for the bebefit of DD health and family relations - we were heading for a fall out! Once you are happy to accept that we are the parents we'd be happy to start visits up again!"

Option 2: don't wait til she complains and just send that message.

We had to do this with my ex MIL and it did work. Even now my ex doesn't tolerate any of her bullshit...she tried recebtly to set us up as "bad guys" and suggested our DD run away to be with grandma. Ex told her if she tried to alienate him from his own child again it would be the last time she saw her.