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At wits end with MIL! Help!

74 replies

Govangirl · 01/08/2023 22:49

It’s half 10 as I write this and I’m exhausted and up in bloody tears of frustration, so any help is greatly appreciated!

DH and I had our first baby 5 weeks ago, it was a horrific birth (very traumatic emcs) and I’m still getting my feet on the ground and feeling very weepy and tired. DD was born small at 5lb and has just been promoted to newborn size, so we’re constantly feeding and changing and it’s all very hectic, but what we were warned she would be small, we expected and planned for it, and we are so deliriously in love with her.

The issue is my MIL. DH and I have been together for 6 years, married for 2, and she is usually very lovely and considerate. As soon as we told them I was pregnant, something seemed to snap. She insisted that she came to every ultrasound (no), that she helped decorate the baby’s nursery (very grateful but no thank you), have a say in the baby’s name (no), and that she would be in the birthing suite with me (absolutely not).

We very gently let her down towards the start, but by the end I was so swollen it looked like my legs belonged to someone else, I had gestational diabetes, and I was on bed rest for a fortnight so I was knackered and I must admit I did tell her to back off once (or twice or maybe three times). I apologised to her soon after each time, and she seemed to understand and would settle before flaring up again. DH did have some stern words, but she kept saying it’s her first grandchild, she’s a grandmother too (in rebuttal to my own mum being at the birth) and DD is “25% hers” 🤨

Yesterday was honestly the day from hell itself. We were picking them up to go into town, and DD had what can only be described as an apocalyptic poo, so I asked to dash inside to hose her down and get her (and myself) changed. Once inside MIL hovered over my shoulder the entire time, and even lit and began to smoke a cigarette right next to me and DD. DH and I both asked her to stop or go outside, but she said it was her own house (true) and that smoking doesn’t harm babies that young (not true, obviously). I was already ticked off but could do without the row so did what I needed to and we went out.

In town MIL kept asking to push the pram, and when I didn’t let her she held onto the side of the handlebar instead. DH could see I was almost at boiling point and tried to intervene but it all fell on deaf ears. FIL seemed oblivious.

By the time we sat down in a cafe I was beyond peeved. Whilst burping DD over my shoulder, MIL came up and round to my side of the table and gave her a whacking great smack on the back before I could even process what was happening. DD obviously screamed like a banshee, DH nearly erupted, and I started to cry (and leaked through my tshirt, which was a joy). I’m so so so fed up, and whilst DH is doing what he feels he can, I keep wondering if he could do more.

She will not listen to me at all now DD is here, and there have been more than one occasions where I’ve turned to find her smoking next to DD, being a bit rough with her, or being altogether negligent, like when she was changing her nappy whilst smoking and got ash on the changing mat (I had stepped out for a wee and nearly sprung off the walls when I saw).

Would it be right to ‘suspends’ visits for now? DD is just so small, and I’m so unbelievably tired, and she’s doing my absolute head in. DH has promised he will talk to her, but I fear we’ll enter another settled phase and a flare will linger on the horizon and cause me undue grief.

My mum has had some choice words with her, but they seem to be in a war of the grandmothers at the moment, so might not be best to active that weapon right now.

DD is once again wailing for a feed, or a change, or just because she feels like it and to be honest I don’t blame her! Either way I’ll end it here. All views welcome (esp any MILs, would be brill to rationalise some of this behaviour if I can).

Ta x

OP posts:
MintJulia · 02/08/2023 04:26

fairymary87 · 01/08/2023 22:57

Now it's time to really be a mum. You need to tell her this stops now or she doesn't see her. This is not her child. It's not. You need to be blunt, and she needs to learn! She's absolutely disrespectful

This. Tell her that her behaviour is dangerous, ignorant, disrespectful and she is no longer welcome.

And YOUR child is zero percent hers (wtf!).

And then stick to it for at least 6 months.

truthhurts23 · 02/08/2023 04:39

why did she smack the baby so hard it cried ??? dont see her any more please

autienotnaughti · 02/08/2023 06:03

Yes I'd limit time together. And your dh needs to be absolutely clear she is not to smoke near your child or handle her after smoking. She's not to hit you child (how is that even something that needs to be raised!!) and if she does cross the line visits will stop entirely. Also I wouldn't go to her house if she smokes.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/08/2023 06:22

Your DH had a crap childhood also because of his mother and she has not changed in all the years since.

Your MIL remains an alcoholic and additionally she is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I would keep her and FIL well away from all of you as a family going forward. As for FIL he is both her enabler and bystander who acts out of self preservation and want of a quiet life. You do not need such people in your lives.

Ahwhatthehell · 02/08/2023 06:31

Ah op, the early days are a blur of hard work, you’ve been through so much and you’re doing so well. It does get easier I promise.

Time for dh to step up with regards his mum. He needs to speak to her immediately. You don’t need another layer of stress. His mum, his department. It’s understandable that he doesn’t want to rock the boat but her behaviour is truly unacceptable. It’s clear from what you say about his upbringing that she wouldn’t win mum of the year. But she doesn’t get to try to prove herself second time around with your beautiful girl. Not the way she’s behaving. Be very firm in asking your dh to sort it. Reduce contact with her if necessary.

She doesn’t get to handle your baby with a fag in her mouth. No no no. And as for being rough with a newborn, words fail me.

WilkinsonM · 02/08/2023 06:45

she’s angling for a visit tomorrow which I may or may not be able to get out of

WTF? How are you so passive? How does your MIL have so much power over you all? Just say no. Just. Say. No. You don't have to see her! How can you not be able to get out of a visit that isn't even planned yet?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/08/2023 06:49

Use the words, “no this does not work for us” repeatedly.

Do not let your in-laws here into your home under any circumstances.

bert3400 · 02/08/2023 06:54

I'm a MIL& GM and I would tell her to fuck right off. How dare she push herself on you like that. The smoking is an absolute No ...I wouldn't let her anywhere near you baby even if she smells of smoke . Hurting you baby by smacking her back is so shocking. I would write down everything she has done to upset you and your DD and give her the list, frame it if need be . God I'm fuming on your behalf

SquishyGloopyBum · 02/08/2023 07:21

You need to tell her she's not visiting today. You need to start as you mean to go on here.

Motnight · 02/08/2023 07:26

Dasisr · 01/08/2023 23:05

It’s borderline negligent by you and your DH to let her smoke on the baby. That stops or she doesn’t see her. I wouldn’t care if it’s her house I would not allow it. She sounds unhinged.

This. You and DH need to be advocates for your tiny baby and put her health first.

nevynevster · 02/08/2023 07:29

She's over enthusiastic about the baby and does a few things a bit OTT like bang the baby too hard. This you could sort of rationalise and understand and maybe it'd calm down after a few weeks.
But smoking ? That is a hard NO! Especially with babies whose lungs are so small and sensitive.

My advice, pick your battles. Don't have a long list of stuff that she's done. Even if it's all true and all deeply annoying. Just focus on the smoking first. This is not negotiable and not for discussion and your DH needs to be the same on this point. She cannot be near the baby and smoke full stop end of story. That means not in the same room and not near the baby outdoors.

Get that one laid down first and then you can tackle the rest of the stuff because it may be that it calms down after that rule is in place. And I agree do not get your mum to intervene at all. This is for your DH to to primarily.

Charles11 · 02/08/2023 07:30

Forget how your mil feels. You need to prioritise your tiny baby first, then yourself.
Mil has choices. She could make the right ones

Neolara · 02/08/2023 07:30

Moveoverdarlin · 01/08/2023 23:03

She sounds awful. Truly awful. I would say ‘Look Sheila, I’m at breaking point over here. I want you to be involved but we’re going to have a massive fall out soon. You can NOT smoke around the baby. Like not in a mile radius of her. She’s on the small side and if you think cigarette smoke is not harmful to her than you are frankly fucking delusional. That is a deal breaker for me and DH I’m afraid. If you smoke around her again, or drop ash on her changing mat, you won’t be seeing her. She isn’t 25 percent yours. She’s 100 percent mine. The way you hit her when I was winding her the other day was also out of order. I nearly exploded with rage to be honest. This is supposed to be the happiest time of my life and you alone are completely spoiling it for me. I know you’ve brought up your own kids but that was 30 odd years ago and things change. Me and DH are doing it our way.’

This is very good.

Raindancer411 · 02/08/2023 07:42

OP, the boobs do calm down but I think I was squirting milk across the road for at least 3-4 months 😂 I bf for 4 years with the first and on year 3 with my second, but hoping to stop soon as I have done my bit now!

Back to your post, defiantly slowly dwindle the visits down and aim for outside the home meet ups so you can make a hasty get away if you need too.

Raindancer411 · 02/08/2023 07:43

Ok 'across the road' maybe a slight exaggeration but I did have a hard and fast let down...

Teapot13 · 02/08/2023 08:20

If she smokes indoors, the harmful stuff stays in the air for a long time, so it doesn’t matter whether she is smoking next to your DD or not. Your DD should not be in her house at all.

Isyesterdaytomorrowtoday · 02/08/2023 08:28

No one would be smoking near my child, they wouldn’t be going in a house where people smoked. If she visited having smoked I’d have expected her to wash her hands (and ideal brush teeth first). It’s a grim habit but especially around such a tiny baby.

find your inner tiger mama OP, you’ve got this!

Coffeaddict · 02/08/2023 08:28

EthicalNonMahogany · 01/08/2023 22:59

Purely for the smoking. i wouldn't have anyone near my tiny prem 5w old who had been smoking that day!!! And who hadn't changed all their clothes! let alone getting a fag on by the changing mat.

This. I had a perfectly healthy full term child and if a family member had smoked that day they were not allowed to hold him let alone a tiny preterm baby

WeightInLine · 02/08/2023 08:41

WilkinsonM · 02/08/2023 06:45

she’s angling for a visit tomorrow which I may or may not be able to get out of

WTF? How are you so passive? How does your MIL have so much power over you all? Just say no. Just. Say. No. You don't have to see her! How can you not be able to get out of a visit that isn't even planned yet?

This.

Never mind your DH. Please prioritise your baby. Do not negotiate. You need to start parenting properly. Safety of your child first. Everyone else’s concerns a distant second.

ohsuzannah · 02/08/2023 14:58

Wipe the floor with her op. She absolutely should not be smoking around your precious baby! 💐

Genevieva · 02/08/2023 15:08

My MiL was unhinged. Wanted our newborn overnight to herself; told work she was pregnant; tried to split us up and had plans for joint custody meaning she had our baby for half the week… We ended up reducing contact to once a month in a public place and it gradually tailed off from there. Luckily SiL then had babies and my toddlers were dropped like hot potatoes. She actually told me there was no point bothering with us any more now we weren’t having any more babies.

Genevieva · 02/08/2023 15:11

PS
There is a good reason why in some cultures mothers go home to their own mothers for three months after birth. It’s called the fourth trimester. You and baby should be able to relax, bond, establish breastfeeding and sleeping routines etc. Grandmother can wait.

Abouttimemum · 02/08/2023 15:55

I wouldn’t let her anywhere near my baby again until she stops smoking around her. Absolutely nuts.

Cherrysoup · 02/08/2023 21:26

Have you told her to just fuck off? She absolutely cannot smoke around your baby, that is appalling! Your Dh needs to big time step up and protect you and your child from the smoking, the fag ash dropping on the changing map (!!) and the over enthusiastic burping. You can limit her contact and should at least until she stops smoking.

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