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At wits end with MIL! Help!

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Govangirl · 01/08/2023 22:49

It’s half 10 as I write this and I’m exhausted and up in bloody tears of frustration, so any help is greatly appreciated!

DH and I had our first baby 5 weeks ago, it was a horrific birth (very traumatic emcs) and I’m still getting my feet on the ground and feeling very weepy and tired. DD was born small at 5lb and has just been promoted to newborn size, so we’re constantly feeding and changing and it’s all very hectic, but what we were warned she would be small, we expected and planned for it, and we are so deliriously in love with her.

The issue is my MIL. DH and I have been together for 6 years, married for 2, and she is usually very lovely and considerate. As soon as we told them I was pregnant, something seemed to snap. She insisted that she came to every ultrasound (no), that she helped decorate the baby’s nursery (very grateful but no thank you), have a say in the baby’s name (no), and that she would be in the birthing suite with me (absolutely not).

We very gently let her down towards the start, but by the end I was so swollen it looked like my legs belonged to someone else, I had gestational diabetes, and I was on bed rest for a fortnight so I was knackered and I must admit I did tell her to back off once (or twice or maybe three times). I apologised to her soon after each time, and she seemed to understand and would settle before flaring up again. DH did have some stern words, but she kept saying it’s her first grandchild, she’s a grandmother too (in rebuttal to my own mum being at the birth) and DD is “25% hers” 🤨

Yesterday was honestly the day from hell itself. We were picking them up to go into town, and DD had what can only be described as an apocalyptic poo, so I asked to dash inside to hose her down and get her (and myself) changed. Once inside MIL hovered over my shoulder the entire time, and even lit and began to smoke a cigarette right next to me and DD. DH and I both asked her to stop or go outside, but she said it was her own house (true) and that smoking doesn’t harm babies that young (not true, obviously). I was already ticked off but could do without the row so did what I needed to and we went out.

In town MIL kept asking to push the pram, and when I didn’t let her she held onto the side of the handlebar instead. DH could see I was almost at boiling point and tried to intervene but it all fell on deaf ears. FIL seemed oblivious.

By the time we sat down in a cafe I was beyond peeved. Whilst burping DD over my shoulder, MIL came up and round to my side of the table and gave her a whacking great smack on the back before I could even process what was happening. DD obviously screamed like a banshee, DH nearly erupted, and I started to cry (and leaked through my tshirt, which was a joy). I’m so so so fed up, and whilst DH is doing what he feels he can, I keep wondering if he could do more.

She will not listen to me at all now DD is here, and there have been more than one occasions where I’ve turned to find her smoking next to DD, being a bit rough with her, or being altogether negligent, like when she was changing her nappy whilst smoking and got ash on the changing mat (I had stepped out for a wee and nearly sprung off the walls when I saw).

Would it be right to ‘suspends’ visits for now? DD is just so small, and I’m so unbelievably tired, and she’s doing my absolute head in. DH has promised he will talk to her, but I fear we’ll enter another settled phase and a flare will linger on the horizon and cause me undue grief.

My mum has had some choice words with her, but they seem to be in a war of the grandmothers at the moment, so might not be best to active that weapon right now.

DD is once again wailing for a feed, or a change, or just because she feels like it and to be honest I don’t blame her! Either way I’ll end it here. All views welcome (esp any MILs, would be brill to rationalise some of this behaviour if I can).

Ta x

OP posts:
PrinceHaz · 01/08/2023 23:40

I’d go no contact. The smoking is shocking.

AlfietheSchnauzer · 01/08/2023 23:43

She assaulted your premature baby?????? Jesus fucking Christ. HOW did you stop yourself from screaming at her and then calling the police???

I'm sorry I'm not trying to upset you but if social services were to hear about this (obviously they won’t, but if they did) and they were made aware that you are continuing to allow her around your baby whilst knowing that she will not only put her life at risk by smoking around her but may well assault her again, I strongly suspect they'd be applying to court to take action (removal, at least temporarily, into the care of your own family most likely).
Like I said I'm not trying to be mean, to scare you or blame you, I'm just trying to make it clear that you allowing her within 100 yards of this woman, makes you complicit.

Your parenting isn't the issue but if you allow her to so much as lay eyes on your child, even from a distance, then your parenting will be the issue Flowers

The woman is dangerous

Hillstreet · 01/08/2023 23:43

What the hell! You’d be mad not to suspend visits. She sounds absolutely awful.

Nutsabouttopic · 01/08/2023 23:45

You had a traumatic birth, you're exhausted and need looking after yourself. Can your mum stay with you for three days. Stay in bed. Only get up for bathroom and food. Let your mum look after you, her baby and you look after your baby. Let your mum deal with any visitors. If in-laws call leave them with your mum. Ignore your phone. If you want to go for a walk just pull on comfy clothes. Just relax and chill. Get to know your baby. My mil was a pure dote until it came to her grandchildren. She tried that 25% on me but was told that only those involved in the act of conceiving had a claim.

SarahAndQuack · 01/08/2023 23:47

AlfietheSchnauzer · 01/08/2023 23:43

She assaulted your premature baby?????? Jesus fucking Christ. HOW did you stop yourself from screaming at her and then calling the police???

I'm sorry I'm not trying to upset you but if social services were to hear about this (obviously they won’t, but if they did) and they were made aware that you are continuing to allow her around your baby whilst knowing that she will not only put her life at risk by smoking around her but may well assault her again, I strongly suspect they'd be applying to court to take action (removal, at least temporarily, into the care of your own family most likely).
Like I said I'm not trying to be mean, to scare you or blame you, I'm just trying to make it clear that you allowing her within 100 yards of this woman, makes you complicit.

Your parenting isn't the issue but if you allow her to so much as lay eyes on your child, even from a distance, then your parenting will be the issue Flowers

The woman is dangerous

Oh, come on. Don't be so silly. You are scaremongering in exactly the way the OP doesn't need.

There is no universe in which social services are going to make a fuss over a grandmother burping a baby. Which is, unfortunately, the only way this is going to look. The OP feels (and I'm sure she's right), that the grandmother did it with excessive force. But you do tap a baby's back when you're winding them. And without anyone impartial to say whether this was a deliberate 'hit' or just a badly-judged 'tap,' you'd get nowhere. Even the OP doesn't seem to be implying the grandmother did it out of nastiness.

Making up silly stories about how the OP could be held responsible is plain cruel. As is the utter nonsense about the MIL's smoking.

Sotired22 · 01/08/2023 23:48

You’re putting your tiny baby at risk of SIDS by having her around cigarette smoke. It’s that simple. You have to protect her and stop allowing this. Also she whacked her on the back and is rough with her? Your tiny newborn?! No. That would be the end of visits for me for a long time, and I’m not usually against the MIL in these threads. Please don’t put your baby at risk of harm just to be polite to this woman.

42wordsfordrizzle · 02/08/2023 00:02

Totally ridiculous that a pp is saying you'd lose custody of your baby because your MIL smokes - babies aren't removed from parents who smoke or are drug users, never mind grannies.

But she sounds awful, don't open the door to her, don't meet up with her. Your partner can meet her in a cafe or in a park, with your baby safely in her pram, and no smoking from MIL or the outing is over.

OPTIMUMMY · 02/08/2023 00:02

With my firstborn I made it clear to my mum (who was a heavy smoker, smoked all my life despite us kids hating it and being desperate for her to stop) that I would not be visiting her house if she continued to smoke and if she wanted to visit she had to make sure she hadn’t been smoking first. She gave up smoking because she wanted to be around her grandchild more. Tell her the midwife or health visitor has been talking to you about it if you don’t want to say it comes from you, or get your DH to be at a health visitor appointment and raise it so he is the one to challenge her.

Your wee one is too precious to be around that. Once you’ve set that boundary, hopefully you’ll find it easier to set others.

You are the parents, you are the ones with the power here, never put your baby at risk to avoid causing offence, no matter who it is!

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 02/08/2023 00:08

Absolutely anyone who smokes is banned from
Smoking anywhere near her and she needs to wash hands and change clothes before she is around your dd.

Absolutely calm back on the visits say you are too tired and let your DH to the admin. See my post 'AIBU to reduce contact with ex mil' as ppl gave me excellent advice there!

extrasushiplease · 02/08/2023 00:12

Your #1 job as a parent is to protect your child. Your mental, emotional, and physical well-being is essential both for your sake (incredibly important!) but also so you have the strength to keep your children from harmful, neglectful situations, no matter who's causing them.

I won't pretend it will be easy, but I think you know what you need to do. Don't ignore both your instincts and common sense for the feelings of an adult who should know better.

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BasiliskStare · 02/08/2023 00:21

The very minimum I think is that - whoever's house it is - No-one smokes around the baby - non negotiable. I have to say some who goes into the garden and has a cigarette and washes their hands frankly I am not sure that it is dreadful - but extra careful with a premature baby for sure.

I would pick your battles. If she burped the baby too strongly - well - ask her not to But The smoking near to the baby would be a big reason to limit contact. If she can go outside etc then fair enough - If not then just say for health reasons we can't bring DD round. That is the first battle I would pick

GodspeedJune · 02/08/2023 00:21

Congratulations on your new baby!

Don’t let this woman interfere and taint these precious first few weeks with her, it’s such a special time that goes by in the blink of an eye. Your DH is a father now and needs to step up to protect you both.

JaZminTea · 02/08/2023 00:30

Sick your mother and your husband on her and stop seeing her for a month or two. She’s being horrible! You poor poor thing.

Govangirl · 02/08/2023 00:33

Thank you all, feeling a lot less teary and a lot more armed!

Echoing what some comments have said about DH needing to step up - I agree and I just don’t want to face it, which is unfair to both me and our DD. His mum was not very pleasant when he was a child, serious issues with alcoholism that rear their head every so often (she once put vodka in his school water bottle to hide but he took it to primary with him - he was only tiny 😔). I suppose I’ve been lucky to have such a fab mum that I feel sorry for both him and her, him for being deprived of a mum like I had, and her for cocking up so massively when he was little and not having the chance to “be a mum”. But I know absolutely that this is not her chance now, it’s my turn.

I will definitely mention the HV to her when we next meet, she’s angling for a visit tomorrow which I may or may not be able to get out of. Either way, I’ll be sure to have a monologue ready to go!

Thank you also to the PPs who mentioned SIDS - I am petrified of it, which she knows, as I lost my baby brother to SIDS when we were small. Reminding her of the link between smoking and SIDS may help and completely slipped my mind, and so too might the gentle reminder that I’ve been personally affected.

Mum is back in England now (we are northeast Scotland) so can’t pop up when she would like, but my sister is coming over from the states for a week on the 7th, which might bring about some respite and let me put my feet up. (She does not smoke!)

Side note: Christ, does it ever get easier? My boobs are rock hard, I still can’t see my blooming feet, I’m spurting milk like a cow, and everything bloody aches. The joys of having children eh!

OP posts:
Spudina · 02/08/2023 00:35

Bless you, you must be exhausted. But as stated by everyone else, you cannot have a smoker round your premature baby. End of. One time was one time too many. Cut off her visits now until she steps in line and stops smoking around the baby, and does all the clothes changing/washing etc that’s recommended. Then only allow her supervised visits until you are satisfied that she is being gentle. If your DH can’t back you up on these, to use Mumsnet trope, you have a DH problem.

BasiliskStare · 02/08/2023 00:40

@Govangirl One experience only - Yes it does get easier. Keep going and it will. 💐😀 And when they are in their teens and twenties you just might look back on the baby times with fondness . Ha ha - I realise it doesn't feel like that now but all the very best to you .

Basilisk x

RealisticGuy · 02/08/2023 01:03

This is absolutely insane! You are well within your rights to tell her to sod off, I wouldn’t even be polite about it. She sounds like a truly horrible person!

DifficultBloodyWoman · 02/08/2023 01:12

Congratulations! And, yes, it does get easier.

There have been some very good suggestions here. I agree that you DH should be stepping up and it is unfortunate but possibly understandable that he isn’t. He needs to get over that. But if he doesn’t, it will fall to you. Because something needs to happen for your sanity and your baby’s safety. (I shared your concerns about SIDS with my DC).

The next time, she put a toe out of line, so much as touches a lighter, even look at a cigarette, go ballistic. You will be amazed at how one much just one unexpected, vocal, at volume, full-on rant can achieve.

People don’t expect it if you are usually known for keeping the peace and therefore it has a much greater impact, they will take you more seriously and be more respectful in the future. They are also more likely to ‘forgive’ you if it is a one-off. Plus being only 5 weeks post-partum, you can still blame hormones.

And if that doesn’t happen, fuck it, you have laid down your boundaries and if they don’t like it, screw ‘em.

momonpurpose · 02/08/2023 01:26

Hell yes stop the visits!

Avatartar · 02/08/2023 01:32

OP time to let those new mum hormones rage and let loose!! Can’t believe your MIL smoked while changing your newborn. Do not let baby go to her house. Do not let her in your house with a cigarette - end of - honestly you must lay the law down and do not take any push back - she’s dangerous to your baby

Spinninggyro · 02/08/2023 01:45

I would also ask her to wear clean clothes and not smoke in them until after she has seen your lovely baby.

ladycardamom · 02/08/2023 02:19

Your baby shouldn't be around cigarette smoke, even second hand on her clothes. Your baby has risk factors for SIDS.

ladycardamom · 02/08/2023 02:21

I just realised you're taking her to visits in a house with smokers! Honestly!

pickalilly1441 · 02/08/2023 02:37

Not a mum, but bless you, you have my sympathies! Families are hard, especially when you come into someone else's to create your own. MILs are no joke 😅

Reading what you said about his mum being an alcoholic really made me feel for your DH, he must be finding this tough. That being said, he's a dad now, as pps have pointed out, and as well you know! FIL may be oblivious, but your DH needs to have a word, she can't strongarm her way into raising your baby because she made mistakes with her own. As you said, it's your turn now.

Smoking around any baby or child is dangerous, but especially for a tiny prem. I know you're doing your best, and you must be absolutely exhausted, but you need to put your foot down on this, if it's the one thing you do with her. Going off what your MIL said about smoke, it's possible she hasn't had the same generational knowledge that we have now about smoking around young children, but this is no excuse. If it's bad for the smoker, it's bad for anyone inhaling that smoke. She must know this.

I know you're knackered OP, but it's time to don the big girl pants and keep your lovely little one safe. If she can't stop smoking around your baby, she just can't see her. End of. It may help when your sister is there with you and DH, a 3v1 situation may make you feel a bit more confident than if it's just you two?

I'm sure you're a wonderful mummy, just be more sure of yourself! Congrats x