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Social services

131 replies

wtfwolf · 21/07/2023 01:00

Are they just crap or got too much workload?

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ChiPawPrint · 31/07/2023 18:35

Freesideofcringe · 31/07/2023 17:25

I work with social workers and I find them petty, self serving, contrary, unable to listen, unable to consider they might have made mistakes - they call them learnings but they never learn - patronising, judgemental know it alls.

the good people leave.

Absolutely spot on! That described every social worker I've ever known personally.

YellowBunnies · 31/07/2023 20:01

Thanks @CatsSnore .

I made a complaint almost a year ago. Ignored and fobbed off at stage 1. Escalated to stage 2, a year later they have finally appointed investigatirs but are trying to limit the scope of what can be investigated and interfere with the investigation process. Thank you for the suggestion to flag it to the head of services: I'll do that. I think it's time it went to the Ombudsman too. I just don't know if there's any point me wasting further time on it at all, given they seem hell bent on not doing their job: even if directed to by the ombudsman I presume they'd find another way to try to obsfucate and weasel out of what they're meant to be doing or water it down to a point where it's useless, so I'm torn between fighting it on principle, and self-preservation by simply cutting off any current or future engagement with them whatsoever since their involvement causes me stress and hassle but has no positive effect for the children.

I am so sorry to hear that your childhood was also so horrific. And I totally agree that primarily the responsibility lies with parents. However, the healthy way to deal with that, for me, was to cut all contact with my parents. So I think if social services also subject me to gaslighting and stress for no reason then a similar approach is going to be the only way forward. For the people who were meant to help children like you and me to pile more trauma on top, it's just unacceptable. And it doesn't have to be this way, it is a choice. In some countries children's services function. Children are not left to be abused (I mean, some mistakes will always occur but here they leave kids with abusive parents knowing it is happening). And in many other countries children have good lives in care, and comparable outcomes to those in normal families. There is no excuse for these failures IMO.

In the case of my children, they have a responsible parent trying to help them and get the support they are entitled to, and I am then told it's unreasonable to expect the service to provide it! And in the case of my childhood and yours, yes the parents created that those situations. But this is (purportedly) why social services exists: to step in when parents fail (or there are additional needs due to disability etc that parents as individuals could never realistically meet alone, like with my kids). And this is their actual paid job, that we are taxed to pay them for! It really makes me livid that they take the money to provide it centrally then just don't bother, so you can neither pay for it yourself for your children because social services have got the money, or access the service you have paid for. It is hard not to be furious at the sheer level of incompetence and gaslighting.

I just don't know what to do for the best now, with a stark choice I need to make for my and my children's sakes: to fight them for potentially years to the full extent of the law to try to ensure every single failure they've made is addressed, for the sake of future kids, or to be selfish and cut my losses and tell them to fuck off and never contact me again about anything.

YellowBunnies · 31/07/2023 20:07

And yes @CatsSnore the language used in the file - and directly to me as a child - was shocking. I don't like the thought of these people enjoying cosy retirements. Like the one who told a homeless, traumatised 16 year old to find a random man to get pregnant with then I would be given somewhere to live. Otherwise go away. Obviously I did not follow her "advice" but, these fucking people. There is something seriously wrong with them and they should be held to account. The problem is that the vast majority of people they've done this kind of thing to are probably so worn down by the trauma and just trying to rebuild their lives that they don't have the energy or time to be able to fight for justice, or even an apology.

CatsSnore · 31/07/2023 20:20

Also Yellow you can email the CEO of your local council as s/he is ultimately responsible.

I see it from both sides. I know there are bad eggs but ultimately it's a systematic issue of social care and I do find it so disheartening that myself, my colleagues and previous colleagues that are now friends DO try their hardest in the system that we work in because ultimately we like children and want the best for them but yet we get the blame. We get called all sorts of names for just doing our best. And yes our best isn't always good enough and yes we do have to switch off and go home to our own families and we will never make everyone happy, which is a horrible thing to say when you're left unhappy, but there is a point where you have to put your laptop down and look after your own dc, and yet we still come back to work and try again each day, knowing that our best won't ever be good enough. It's shit but I know I do help children and families, I know I'm good at my job and I'm excellent at building relationships. I am excellent at advocating for my case load to upper management and I know I do make a difference, even if it's not as much as I'd ideally like.

NewspaperTaxis · 31/07/2023 23:55

Hi @YellowBunnies I am not sure about the 'completely disengage' strategy as that may play into their hands. Of course, the 'letting them into your home' thing may be best avoided, the whole 'be your best friend' thing too because in my experience it is a ruse - btw you don't live in Surrey do you?!

Yep, copy everyone in and keep it succinct. Only 'flag up' is they like to then make out you are breaking confidentiality or something, so don't divulge Safeguarding meetings necessarily. Involve your local MP. We contacted Chris Grayling three times over the course of the year. He was at best useless at worst misleading, possibly deliberately. He may well have been carrying out surveillance on the Council's behalf. That said, the more you involve the better, arguably, because it makes it harder for abuse to take place, these types like it to be in the shadows.

They don't like your sending emails. So send emails. They don't like a paper trail, you see. Don't sign anything they send.
But yes, they can and will run you down. The press can't seem to touch them, it's very odd, so the abuse runs through the decades.

SummerDawn2000 · 02/10/2023 17:07

@Aloneinthevillage gen hi I let and sincerely thank you for what you did. We never hear of the GOOD social workers do. It’s outweighs all the bad press it really does. I don’t think people realise how powerless social workers are. I really don’t.

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