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Struggling with this....

68 replies

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 12:25

Just looking for some outside perspective. I'm 50, separated in 2016. Have 4 boys, three grown and living independently, we are all close. Met a guy online 2 years ago, we hit it off hugely. He's an hour away from me but that didn't get in the way really. For first year we met every two weeks, I really wasn't sure that he wasn't seeing other people but I didn't feel it was serious so I wasn't jumping up and down about it. We developed strong feelings for each other and had a chat, decided to be exclusive. I had to push strongly for extra time with him, which is one week night. He's self employed and works every hour god sends. I should point out that he has gone through a very bad separation and divorce, his ex is toxic. He has three beautiful kids and he provides for them so much, way more than would be normal. Anyway, he's a great dad.

Here's the kicker. I love him and he loves me, I know he does because I can feel it from him. However, I'm at a point now where I'm concerned for myself and don't know if it would be best to end it. He's met my two eldest kids and they get on great, only met a handful of times and we all spent last christmas together, he travelled up to my place for dinner (after Xmas morning with his kids at his ex's place) and it went brilliantly. Since then, we have definitely been closer. BUT his kids don't know he's in a relationship (despite being separated 5 years). He says his ex uses every chance to belittle and disrespect him to their kids - she's very volatile and seems quite controlling - and I feel like he's a little scared of her when it comes to the kids in terms of damaging his relationship with them. For context, they are 17, 13 and 10. My name isn't saved in his phone because his kids would see it and he doesn't want to have to tell them. That hurts me I'll be honest. That's not all though. I've never met a friend of his or any family member. His family live a 3 hour drive from him and he has only seen them a few times a year and he has brought his kids so that's me out of the equation. He doesn't go out much with friends at all, twice or three times a year at the very most and that's been up the country.

I'm at an impasse now. He swears he loves me more than any woman he's ever been with. We have never had a fight and we do always have a brilliant time together. Always. He drinks a little too much so that means we don't have anywhere near as much intimacy as I need and I'm feeling a little detached. I just want to add that the weekends he has his kids the contact drops off massively, no phone calls when they're around. They know zero. He has them atm for 5 days and I'll hear by text morning and night, nice messages and telling me he loves me, but no chat. I feel very separated from his life at times like this.

He has met my closest friends, we've had brilliant nights with all of them and they have welcomed him with open arms.

I'm dying to get away on a break with him but he works too hard and we would have to work a two or three day break around his schedule with his kids because he sees them a good bit and does a lot of picking up and dropping off for various activities. So there really isn't a window atm.

I love him to bits. I'm feeling a little lost and would welcome thoughts on this situation. He's a really good person, his ex terrifies him and he overthinks everything. But he's brilliant fun and very sentimental.

I've been in a similar kind of situation before and that ended with me completely losing my sh1t and ending things after years of feeling hidden. I don't feel hidden from his life as his parents and family and friends are all aware of me, I've seen messages etc so he's not lying.

What do I do? I would appreciate some outside opinion. Thanks.

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Fuckthatguy · 09/07/2023 12:56

He’s spinning you a yarn it sounds like. Same trotted out trope my wife (if he’s not still married, he’s way too enmeshed) is crazy, toxic, vengeful, insert any number of cliches.

You need to have an honest conversation about the state of play and where you relationship is headed, as if he was serious after two years you should have met his family.

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 13:10

Thanks, you're right about the family part - in his defence he rarely sees them and he has said he wants me to meet his parents. I've brought this up a few times and we have had conversations. It just doesn't change and I feel I'm always pushing for some kind of inclusion. It's making me feel angry and that's why I'm feeling a bit detached again now. I just want normality!

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Neverinamonthofsundays · 09/07/2023 17:07

Have you been to his home?

TheSunnySide · 09/07/2023 17:12

Have you asked your friends what they really think of him! They may have accepted him but if you ask for honest opinions maybe their replies would give you an idea of what to do.

Sunnydaysarentagiveneveninjuly · 09/07/2023 17:15

Why would you not be named in hso phone? My dc never have my phone. Or my ex.

PowerBMI · 09/07/2023 17:18

Op, gently, you are missing the really obvious truth of what’s going.

He isn’t being honest with you and you are drinking it all in.

Lucy377 · 09/07/2023 18:04

Have you ever been to his house and stayed the night?
Are you sure he's separated at all.

Fuckthatguy · 09/07/2023 18:09

There are several obvious flags here, but mostly the toxic narrative and the ex/wife and the secrecy.

You mention no calls when the kids are around, and my guess is there is another person present at family time…

He won’t be honest with you but you should talk to him face to face at some point to get a handle on this, but be prepared to walk.

I am sorry he has put you here.

1FootInTheRave · 09/07/2023 18:36

Sounds like he's still married.

CreamTeaDelight · 09/07/2023 18:45

He’s married and stringing you along.

Do some detective work. You’ll find out.

💐

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 18:48

Thanks everyone, I'm glad for the feedback. I'm at his house at least once a week and I talk with him every night by phone when he finishes work, which is never before 9pm. I'm 100% positive there is nobody else. He's definitely divorced because it only happened recently and his ex got the lions share of everything. Honestly, my concern definitely isn't that there is someone else on the scene. It's the not being honest with his kids and keeping me hidden from them. I don't want to meet his kids just yet tbh, they're much younger than mine but why hide me from them? My name isn't saved in his ohine because his daughters use it for music.

A few weeks ago I told him I was tired of never being able to go anywhere other than our homes, I pushed for extra time and he agreed we needed it. But I'm pissed off at not having met anyone on his side. We're coming up on two years together and it's make or break for me.

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FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 18:49

Definitely not married guys. He absolutely hates his ex. She has the ability to give him huge anxiety. There's definitely nobody else

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FawnDrench · 09/07/2023 18:50

He's conveniently slotted you in to his lifestyle just the way he wants to, but isn't prepared to let you slot him into yours.

Don't think it's going anywhere to be honest.

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 18:54

Yes, that last reply touched a nerve. Our entire relationship has been on his terms really. I don't believe he's being dishonest, just lazy and a little inconsiderate when it comes to us.

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sesquipedalian · 09/07/2023 18:55

After I got divorced, and before I met my now DH, I went out with a chap like this. I came to the conclusion that he simply wanted a mistress and not a wife. Things came to a head when I called him one day and his children were in the car and he was furious with me (like I should have been psychic?) because they had asked him who was on the phone and he had to make up some cover story. Basically, he wanted to keep me in a box and just see me when it suited him. So that was the end of the relationship. I fear that your fellow is the same - he wants a relationship on his terms, and he isn’t prepared to make you a full part of his life by introducing you to his children. I would ask him straight out why not, and see what he says.

CreamTeaDelight · 09/07/2023 19:02

Ok, if not married he’s still stringing you along on his terms. You need to either give him an ultimatum or end it now. He wants you when he has time to slot you into his life.

PowerBMI · 09/07/2023 19:12

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 18:49

Definitely not married guys. He absolutely hates his ex. She has the ability to give him huge anxiety. There's definitely nobody else

It doesn’t necessarily mean he is still married.

But he is lying. ‘My ex was awful’, ‘I can’t tell them because of my ex she will destroy me’ and ‘my ex cleaned me out in the divorce’

are all typical lines of someone deceiving their current partner and it could be for loads of reasons.

To cover up why they may be struggling financially, because they don’t want to commit, because to cover up that the introduced a string of girlfriend to their kids and it impacted their relationship with the kids.

I suspect it’s because he wants to maintain the status quo. Possibly because he prioritised another relationship above them and doesn’t want them to know he is seeing someone again, incase they think the same will happen.

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:13

I can't argue any of these points - there is no valid reason for not telling his kids he is in a relationship really. I have asked him multiple times and he always says its because his ex would make shit of him to the kids. She hasn't introduced anyone and hasn't told them she's seeing anyone. I've facilitated a lot of this because I can see his busy life and I do trust him now - I didn't for a long time. He doesn't get any messages or calls from anyone I don't know or I'm aware of when we're together and he's very loving. But never meeting anyone, being a secret from his kids and never having more than an overnight three times a fortnight is getting me down. I know me and I'll eventually get very pissed off and angry and I want to avoid that.

To answer an earlier comment, my friends are mad about him. They say we're perfectly matched and he obviously loves me. And he really likes my friends too.

I'm no fool and if I felt there was any untruth to what he's telling me, I would be gone.

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FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:16

I think this present arrangement suits him and doesn't suit me, that's the crux of it.

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Aquamarine1029 · 09/07/2023 19:16

He drinks a little too much

That's all you needed to say, and I guarantee he's drinking a LOT more than you realise.

Run for your fucking life.

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:17

Aquamarine1029 · 09/07/2023 19:16

He drinks a little too much

That's all you needed to say, and I guarantee he's drinking a LOT more than you realise.

Run for your fucking life.

It's a worry alright

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GoodChat · 09/07/2023 19:19

Why did he and his ex separate?

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:20

I'm probably slow to walk away because I'm also middle aged and don't want to go through all of the online crap again. I'm a much better person when I'm in a relationship. However, I've done everything I can here and I feel like I'm not being really listened to and I'm very conscious of looking like, and feeling like, a big idiot.

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FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:22

GoodChat · 09/07/2023 19:19

Why did he and his ex separate?

She ended their marriage, accused him of cheating. He swears he didn't. His ex is a nightmare guys, I've seen her messages to him. He readily admits they should never have married but he adores his kids.

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OrlandointheWilderness · 09/07/2023 19:24

This will break your heart.

2 years?! I couldn't be in a relationship like that.

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