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Struggling with this....

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FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 12:25

Just looking for some outside perspective. I'm 50, separated in 2016. Have 4 boys, three grown and living independently, we are all close. Met a guy online 2 years ago, we hit it off hugely. He's an hour away from me but that didn't get in the way really. For first year we met every two weeks, I really wasn't sure that he wasn't seeing other people but I didn't feel it was serious so I wasn't jumping up and down about it. We developed strong feelings for each other and had a chat, decided to be exclusive. I had to push strongly for extra time with him, which is one week night. He's self employed and works every hour god sends. I should point out that he has gone through a very bad separation and divorce, his ex is toxic. He has three beautiful kids and he provides for them so much, way more than would be normal. Anyway, he's a great dad.

Here's the kicker. I love him and he loves me, I know he does because I can feel it from him. However, I'm at a point now where I'm concerned for myself and don't know if it would be best to end it. He's met my two eldest kids and they get on great, only met a handful of times and we all spent last christmas together, he travelled up to my place for dinner (after Xmas morning with his kids at his ex's place) and it went brilliantly. Since then, we have definitely been closer. BUT his kids don't know he's in a relationship (despite being separated 5 years). He says his ex uses every chance to belittle and disrespect him to their kids - she's very volatile and seems quite controlling - and I feel like he's a little scared of her when it comes to the kids in terms of damaging his relationship with them. For context, they are 17, 13 and 10. My name isn't saved in his phone because his kids would see it and he doesn't want to have to tell them. That hurts me I'll be honest. That's not all though. I've never met a friend of his or any family member. His family live a 3 hour drive from him and he has only seen them a few times a year and he has brought his kids so that's me out of the equation. He doesn't go out much with friends at all, twice or three times a year at the very most and that's been up the country.

I'm at an impasse now. He swears he loves me more than any woman he's ever been with. We have never had a fight and we do always have a brilliant time together. Always. He drinks a little too much so that means we don't have anywhere near as much intimacy as I need and I'm feeling a little detached. I just want to add that the weekends he has his kids the contact drops off massively, no phone calls when they're around. They know zero. He has them atm for 5 days and I'll hear by text morning and night, nice messages and telling me he loves me, but no chat. I feel very separated from his life at times like this.

He has met my closest friends, we've had brilliant nights with all of them and they have welcomed him with open arms.

I'm dying to get away on a break with him but he works too hard and we would have to work a two or three day break around his schedule with his kids because he sees them a good bit and does a lot of picking up and dropping off for various activities. So there really isn't a window atm.

I love him to bits. I'm feeling a little lost and would welcome thoughts on this situation. He's a really good person, his ex terrifies him and he overthinks everything. But he's brilliant fun and very sentimental.

I've been in a similar kind of situation before and that ended with me completely losing my sh1t and ending things after years of feeling hidden. I don't feel hidden from his life as his parents and family and friends are all aware of me, I've seen messages etc so he's not lying.

What do I do? I would appreciate some outside opinion. Thanks.

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FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:24

At this moment, I wouldn't feel comfortable anymore with him meeting my kids or friends again until something is reciprocated.

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GoodChat · 09/07/2023 19:26

@FoxyCleo12 to be fair, if he announces a relationship before her she's going to say "see, I told you all he was cheating."

Problem is, she'll use that anyway when she learns about you. You don't get to be happy in this situation OP. I'm sorry

shiningstar2 · 09/07/2023 19:28

You can only meet at your place or his ...after two years? 🤔 Your friends think he's great ...but you haven't met any of his friends 🤔 There has been talk of you meeting his parents . after two years ...and it hasn't happened 🤔 He's keeping you in a box op. He gets home from work very late. He may not be married but could he be also seeing someone at work so that you feel exclusive but he does not? Who knows why you are in a box on his side with no connection to his kids or friends ...but not on your side. There has to be a reason. I would be exploring that.

Wilff · 09/07/2023 19:28

Does it need to be at the Make or Break stage for you ?
If it wasn't for the analytical indepth cross examination angle it seems your actually happy to have him in your life , albeit not fully, but at our age its a blessing to have someone that you love and who loves you..than noone (or worse someone who doesn't really care).
Live your best life in the moment
Xx

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:30

OrlandointheWilderness · 09/07/2023 19:24

This will break your heart.

2 years?! I couldn't be in a relationship like that.

Distance is a factor and I have one son living at home who he hasn't met, I work full time so we wouldn't be seeing each other a whole lot during the week. I've asked for extra time at weekends, hasn't happened. It's complete lack of progression on his side that will end this, I've been so open with my life and the people in it. I guess I'll have to tell him it can't go on this way . Because it can't

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FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:31

I'll throw something else in because I just thought of it. Before he met me, he was seeing a girl for around six months, she lived really close to him and he spent almost every night with her. I find that insulting to me

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OrlandointheWilderness · 09/07/2023 19:33

Yes I'd find that insulting too. You are worth more than being a part time secret girlfriend when it suits him.

Aquamarine1029 · 09/07/2023 19:34

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:20

I'm probably slow to walk away because I'm also middle aged and don't want to go through all of the online crap again. I'm a much better person when I'm in a relationship. However, I've done everything I can here and I feel like I'm not being really listened to and I'm very conscious of looking like, and feeling like, a big idiot.

Op, you're 50. You are still young. I'm 50, too, and I truly believe that this is the prime of our lives, in so many ways. Don't stay in a relationship because you think this is the best you can do, and because you're "too old" to find another relationship. That's just bullshit. Never, EVER settle. I don't give a fuck how old your are. Being single is always better than being in a relationship that leaves you flat.

OrlandointheWilderness · 09/07/2023 19:34

To paraphrase the film 'The Holiday' - you are the leading lady of your life. Stop acting like a background character in someone else's!

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:35

Wilff · 09/07/2023 19:28

Does it need to be at the Make or Break stage for you ?
If it wasn't for the analytical indepth cross examination angle it seems your actually happy to have him in your life , albeit not fully, but at our age its a blessing to have someone that you love and who loves you..than noone (or worse someone who doesn't really care).
Live your best life in the moment
Xx

This. 100%. I'm not looking to get married or to have a suffocating relationship, part time is actually ok. But more than what we have now. And more involvement from his side

It's very difficult to describe someone in a way that ye could fully understand - he's thoroughly decent and can be emotional at times, not overly so but he has a heart.

I have no doubt that there were many women before me.

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Wilff · 09/07/2023 19:37

If he can't provide what you're asking for, would you end the relationship?

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:38

Aquamarine1029 · 09/07/2023 19:34

Op, you're 50. You are still young. I'm 50, too, and I truly believe that this is the prime of our lives, in so many ways. Don't stay in a relationship because you think this is the best you can do, and because you're "too old" to find another relationship. That's just bullshit. Never, EVER settle. I don't give a fuck how old your are. Being single is always better than being in a relationship that leaves you flat.

Thanks for this lovely message. Without sounding vain, you'd never think I was 50. I look after myself well and I'm fit and healthy thank god. All of this is leaving me feeling a bit bad though, yes.

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FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:39

You're absolutely right

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FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:40

I'd miss him terribly and I'd find it hard to let go.

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FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:42

Thanks to everyone for your comments, I'm really glad I posted here. Outside perspective is an eye opener

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InSpainTheRain · 09/07/2023 19:54

I am sorry OP but I don't see much in this relationship for you - it's all about him: working round his kids, his controlling ex, his work etc etc. What about you?

If he won't willingly and openly include you in his life I honestly don't see much point - unless you just want a shag but it seems you are past that point with him. Perhaps you should take a break and tell him you want a couple of months to assess how you feel? Tell him you understand his position and that he doesn't want to tell his ex/kids but you have every right to not want that sort of relationship for yourself. I wouldn't!

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 20:03

Thank you, you're right. It has all been done to suit his life and I didn't really have a problem with it in the beginning, I was probably too accommodating. But I honestly didn't see it that way, it suited me then. Coming up on two years is a big deal for me now. He'll have to be much more inclusive and tell his kids he's in a relationship that makes him happy (why wouldn't they be happy for him?!) or I'll have to consider walking away, despite the hurt to me. I've given him every chance and I've stuck around and I've remained faithful despite not seeing him very much. For fuck sake, what's stopping him?

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chocobaby · 09/07/2023 20:53

It sounds like this entire relationship is being run by him. It doesn’t look like it will get any better OP.
i ended a relationship last summer. It was exactly like this, but for a year. I’d never waste 2 years of my early 40 something YO life like that!
i would walk away now. Love isn’t everything. I learned that the hard way too.

greyhairnomore · 09/07/2023 21:16

Always a bit of a red flag when the ex is a 'toxic nightmare'
In reality she couldn't stop him seeing the kids even if she wanted to.
Have you asked him if not now then when is he going to start introducing you to people ?
Could maybe understand his kids , but what about his parents ?

SunflowerTed · 10/07/2023 04:38

He sounds lovely and I get that he doesn’t want to antagonize his toxic ex as she might cause upset in his relationship with his kids….. but … I think I’d tell him you need some space. Give yourself some thinking time to decide if you can put up with this situation indefinitely. He needs to know that you are serious about wanting more xx

newname642 · 10/07/2023 05:06

Did his ex wife or his children know anything about the previous girlfriend? How did that relationship end? And how come he had so much more time to see her than he does you?

spotddog · 10/07/2023 06:27

As @newname642 said.

Also, have you ever been out for a meal, drink etc in his area?

Chewbaccaslime · 10/07/2023 06:36

FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 19:16

I think this present arrangement suits him and doesn't suit me, that's the crux of it.

You've nailed it.

He wants the casual EOW relationship and you don't. Neither of you is wrong. You both just want something different.

SortingItOut · 10/07/2023 06:42

I had similar to this, an FWB became a relationship and it was all on his terms.
Glhe had a younger child who he had 4 or 5 nights a weeks and on the nights he didn't have him he would see me unless he was meeting friends.

We didn't properly date and instead would be at each others houses with the occasional meal out.

I have adult children at home who were fully aware. I met his son 4 times in 2 years as he didn't want his son getting attached after a previous failed relationship where is son got attached to a lady and her children and when they split it was tough going for his little boy.

I only met his parents as I told him he couldn't come to my large family BBQ to meet my extended family unless I met his parents...he reluctantly agreed.

I didn't meet his friends for months although they knew all about me as I knew some of them from school.

I changed jobs and sometimes evening meetings fell on the days we would usually meet so we had less time together. He had encouraged me to apply for this job.

As our relationship went on I became more unsettled and wanted more. I Also had counselling after an abusive marriage and that made me see things in a different light.

It all came to a head when we were both going to the same music event, him with his son and friends, me on my own. When I saw him from a distance he didn't have his son but was with friends....
I messaged him that night to ask where his son had been and he said his son didn't want to go so he dropped him off back to his mum's. He didn't even message me about meeting up even though he knew I was going on my own. He says he didn't even think.about it as the day was so rushed.
I realised then that I wasn't a priority in his life 😕

He was also emotionally unavailable and not really relationship material.
I was emotionally unavailable but after counselling I am so much better and we just became no longer compatible.

I'm kind of dating for a relationship and this time I know exactly what I want and what my needs are and I will hold out until I get them.

I'm early 40's and have built my life up to be really great so any man needs to enhance my life.

I don't think this relationship is meeting your needs any more.....

SmirnoffIceIsNice · 10/07/2023 07:00

If everything he's said is true then he's terrified of his ex alienating him from his children when she finds out about his relationship. Therefore this will go nowhere for several years until the youngest is in their teens and mature enough to make their own mind up. Even then the prize is someone who often drinks too much and works excessively, so you'll only get crumbs.

personally, no matter how hard it would be, I'd distance myself from this guy and start looking elsewhere.