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Struggling with this....

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FoxyCleo12 · 09/07/2023 12:25

Just looking for some outside perspective. I'm 50, separated in 2016. Have 4 boys, three grown and living independently, we are all close. Met a guy online 2 years ago, we hit it off hugely. He's an hour away from me but that didn't get in the way really. For first year we met every two weeks, I really wasn't sure that he wasn't seeing other people but I didn't feel it was serious so I wasn't jumping up and down about it. We developed strong feelings for each other and had a chat, decided to be exclusive. I had to push strongly for extra time with him, which is one week night. He's self employed and works every hour god sends. I should point out that he has gone through a very bad separation and divorce, his ex is toxic. He has three beautiful kids and he provides for them so much, way more than would be normal. Anyway, he's a great dad.

Here's the kicker. I love him and he loves me, I know he does because I can feel it from him. However, I'm at a point now where I'm concerned for myself and don't know if it would be best to end it. He's met my two eldest kids and they get on great, only met a handful of times and we all spent last christmas together, he travelled up to my place for dinner (after Xmas morning with his kids at his ex's place) and it went brilliantly. Since then, we have definitely been closer. BUT his kids don't know he's in a relationship (despite being separated 5 years). He says his ex uses every chance to belittle and disrespect him to their kids - she's very volatile and seems quite controlling - and I feel like he's a little scared of her when it comes to the kids in terms of damaging his relationship with them. For context, they are 17, 13 and 10. My name isn't saved in his phone because his kids would see it and he doesn't want to have to tell them. That hurts me I'll be honest. That's not all though. I've never met a friend of his or any family member. His family live a 3 hour drive from him and he has only seen them a few times a year and he has brought his kids so that's me out of the equation. He doesn't go out much with friends at all, twice or three times a year at the very most and that's been up the country.

I'm at an impasse now. He swears he loves me more than any woman he's ever been with. We have never had a fight and we do always have a brilliant time together. Always. He drinks a little too much so that means we don't have anywhere near as much intimacy as I need and I'm feeling a little detached. I just want to add that the weekends he has his kids the contact drops off massively, no phone calls when they're around. They know zero. He has them atm for 5 days and I'll hear by text morning and night, nice messages and telling me he loves me, but no chat. I feel very separated from his life at times like this.

He has met my closest friends, we've had brilliant nights with all of them and they have welcomed him with open arms.

I'm dying to get away on a break with him but he works too hard and we would have to work a two or three day break around his schedule with his kids because he sees them a good bit and does a lot of picking up and dropping off for various activities. So there really isn't a window atm.

I love him to bits. I'm feeling a little lost and would welcome thoughts on this situation. He's a really good person, his ex terrifies him and he overthinks everything. But he's brilliant fun and very sentimental.

I've been in a similar kind of situation before and that ended with me completely losing my sh1t and ending things after years of feeling hidden. I don't feel hidden from his life as his parents and family and friends are all aware of me, I've seen messages etc so he's not lying.

What do I do? I would appreciate some outside opinion. Thanks.

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SpringleDingle · 10/07/2023 07:18

Oh this sounds so painfully familiar. You deserve to be fully happy and fully happy is possible. He isn’t making you fully happy, he drinks too much, the physical intimacy is lacking, he won’t include you fully in his life. This will eat you up and you’ll end up doubting your worth. You can do much better!!!

Aubree17 · 10/07/2023 07:32

One of the reasons relationships work is because both people are on the right place and have common goals.
It's unfair of this man to keep you distant from his children. They are a huge part of his life and if your going to be part of his life you need to be part of that too. It's not unreasonable after 2 years.

You also seem to want different things from a relationship.

I think you need to have an honest chat about your concerns and where things are heading.

BackAgainstWall · 10/07/2023 09:28

Has his ex-wife had a boyfriend(s)?

If so, are his DC’s aware? Including the 2 youngest DC?

Personally, I can understand why it’s sensitive if he’s trying to protect his youngest DC’s feelings, particularly the 10 year old.

From what you say, his ex will use it against him and poison their minds even more.

Of course none of this helps you, but I do understand it from his point of you. He’s looking out for his kids first and foremost.

FoxyCleo12 · 10/07/2023 09:41

I'm beyond grateful for everyone's comments here. Having slept on it and processed everything, I feel very validated. To be fair, the fact that I have posted here and asked a bunch of strangers for their input/opinions shows me just how detached I am becoming and how unhappy I am with the current state of play. I want to reiterate that this man is a very good person, there is no badness in him really. He's so wrapped up in his own life and his own world that he literally doesn't think about anything else. There have been a handful of serious conversations, always raised by me which have always been complaints by me of feeling isolated and kept away, asking for more time, asking him why he never suggests extra time, etc. It's all come to a head and while I don't doubt my self-worth, I doubt his intentions. I mentioned here yesterday that he was seeing another girl before me and that he spent almost every night with her, that has really boiled my piss thinking about it. I'm done asking for more time and I already feel detached. I'm strong enough not to fall apart here but I'm also heart broken for me and for all of my efforts. This is the first time in my life that I haven't really put a foot wrong in a relationship and I really had high hopes. I'm going to look like such a fool to everyone I introduced him to, aren't I?

As I type, he's been away the last few days with his kids and contact has been minimal, good morning and goodnight (after midnight). He rang me on Friday afternoon before he collected them and rang me out of the blue last night when he had gone down to his car to get something. While I appreciated the call, it just made me feel like a dirty little secret. I love him very much and don't want to be cold and/or distant with him but I am, because I'm hurting now. It appears the six month fling he had before our two year relationship meant more because he spent every night there. And that's a bitter pill to swallow because he didn't love her.

Apologies for all of this waffle, it's all coming out now. I'm definitely worth more than feeling so removed from his life, considering the huge effort I have put in over the last two years. And I really have.

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FoxyCleo12 · 10/07/2023 09:53

BackAgainstWall · 10/07/2023 09:28

Has his ex-wife had a boyfriend(s)?

If so, are his DC’s aware? Including the 2 youngest DC?

Personally, I can understand why it’s sensitive if he’s trying to protect his youngest DC’s feelings, particularly the 10 year old.

From what you say, his ex will use it against him and poison their minds even more.

Of course none of this helps you, but I do understand it from his point of you. He’s looking out for his kids first and foremost.

Thank you - this is 100% correct. I can tell when he's not being truthful and what he's told me about his ex is all true, backed up by the vicious messages I've seen from her. I have also seen all of the emails and Court paperwork (only recently divorced, last month in fact) and she's a complete bully. I can feel his blood running cold when she messages. He has facilitated her way too much and she now rules the childrens lives, what she says is gospel. So much so that he worries all the time about his closeness to his eldest girl, who is extremely attached to her Mum and feels protective of her since they broke up. It's a nightmare and I can honestly understand from his point of view wanting to shield them from any outside relationship. But them not even being aware that he has a life outside of them and his ex is a huge problem for me and I see no valid reason for that. I'm not looking to meet them.

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FoxyCleo12 · 10/07/2023 09:54

He says his ex wife would never introduce anyone to the kids and it doesn't appear that she has, from what he's told me

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Seaoftroubles · 10/07/2023 14:31

Good luck O.P with whatever you decide. This sound tough but you know your worth and really do deserve better. I hope he steps up and tries to meet your needs. For now l would definitely be pressing pause whilst he thinks about how he is going to make you more part of his life.

FoxyCleo12 · 10/07/2023 16:24

Thanks again everyone, I'm so glad I asked for input here. I don't want my genuine feelings for him clouding what should be naturally occurring. None of what is happening (or not happening for that matter) is normal or fair. Someone here asked yesterday what my friends really thought and having laid it out for them as I have done here, they're of the same mindset. Piss or get off the pot. I have flagged that I need a conversation with him sometime soon but for now I just need time to myself. I hate being distant and cold with him and I hate giving an ultimatum about meeting friends/family because it takes the good out of something which should come naturally. After two years, I have decided that it changes course or I'm out. No more empty promises, no more inaction. I'm tired of doing all the running. Even though I'm upset, I feel strong and even a bit defiant. I'll let you all know in due course as you have all been really helpful here, thank you.

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LadyJ2023 · 10/07/2023 16:49

He wants you when he feels like it and that's it. The fact you have to push for time says it all for me. And not have you in his phone by now is ludicrous seriously as far as the kids are concerned you could be a friend or whatever so that's utterly weird after all this time. It's like you exist when he wants you and don't when he doesn't. I wouldn't be staying with anyone like that

LadyJ2023 · 10/07/2023 16:51

Oh and distance is also ludicrous these days lol when I met hubby we were 2 and a half hours drive apart and he didn't even drive at the time bussed but came up every other day to see me and I same down to his the days he was working. If its love then it's not hard.Anywa we got married and I'm a happy bunny lol

Wilff · 10/07/2023 18:09

Dear FoxyCleo (and all of us like minded people) your comment saying that being able to put your predicament out there & having outsiders opinions has helped is great to hear. It shows us there are advantages to social media afterall.

X

FoxyCleo12 · 10/07/2023 18:32

LadyJ2023 · 10/07/2023 16:49

He wants you when he feels like it and that's it. The fact you have to push for time says it all for me. And not have you in his phone by now is ludicrous seriously as far as the kids are concerned you could be a friend or whatever so that's utterly weird after all this time. It's like you exist when he wants you and don't when he doesn't. I wouldn't be staying with anyone like that

A lot of it is very weird and he will have to understand how those things you have mentioned leave room for huge doubt and insecurity. It's really up to him now, I have done all I can. Delighted your own long distance relationship worked out so well 😊

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FoxyCleo12 · 10/07/2023 18:33

Wilff · 10/07/2023 18:09

Dear FoxyCleo (and all of us like minded people) your comment saying that being able to put your predicament out there & having outsiders opinions has helped is great to hear. It shows us there are advantages to social media afterall.

X

It most definitely helped and strengthened me. Thank you 🥰

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FoxyCleo12 · 12/07/2023 09:41

Hi everyone - I wanted to post an update. I took the bull by the horns and set everything out for my partner - the insecurity and disrespect I feel with the current situation - not having my name saved on his phone, feeling like a stranger in his life when I'm not around, asking for more time and that going unanswered, etc. I was calm and respectful but really firm and he knew I wasn't kidding. He took it all on board and his first remarks were that I was 100% right, that he could completely understand how I felt and that he was very sorry for making me have to message him like that. He told me he loves me and doesn't ever want to be the cause of me feeling disrespected. I haven't had that kind of serious conversation with him before so we were both a little rattled and I honestly felt this could be it. My friends have been brilliant and also emboldened me to stand my ground. I found it difficult though because I love him. Fast forward to yesterday, one day after our talk and he called me yesterday evening while with his kids, something that has never happened before. He once again apologised for how I had been feeling and he told me out of the blue that he rang his ex wife yesterday and told her all about us, how long we have been seeing each other and that he's very happy. She, in turn, was happy for him and wished him all the best. He then sat his kids down and told them the same and they're delighted for him. I'm stunned and still processing this but absolutely over the moon with relief - that was a huge thing for him to do and he did it the right way. If he had come back to me after my message and said ok, I'll do it, I'll tell them, I would have felt he was doing it under duress or because I was complaining. He did it without telling me and was then able to put my mind at ease.

This has given me so much hope for the future and a real feeling that I'm not wasting my time here. All of the anxiety and upset I was feeling is gone.

Once again, I want to thank everyone here. Talking it out and getting the really level headed and completely unbiased feedback helped me so much.

A happy ending!

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FoxyCleo12 · 12/07/2023 09:41

He also immediately saved my name to his phone :)

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SeulementUneFois · 12/07/2023 11:16

OP

That's great news!
Please make sure that it's true though. I don't know how. Ideally it would be by meeting the kids. There's a small probability it's all made up. (Bar the name on the phone if you actually saw that.)

If it is true, hope it progresses in the same way! All the best :)

CreamTeaDelight · 12/07/2023 12:13

@FoxyCleo12
Great news! I’m so glad you said something to him and he has acted in a positive way. He should now be able to have you in his life a lot more and you will begin to feel better. I’m glad it has worked out this way for you. Good luck with everything!

Seaoftroubles · 12/07/2023 12:24

Fab update OP! So glad you spoke up and he has listened and then taken action to put things right. Hopefully you can get to meet his kids soon and continue to move forward with the relationship. All the best to you!

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