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I think I might be done.

101 replies

laciport · 02/07/2023 17:17

So this might be a bit of a long one, and for that, I apologise.

My partner and I have been together for nearly 10 years now. Bought a house 5 years ago. We hadn't lived together prior to this, though we did basically live in one another's pockets for the time leading up to moving in.

He was amazing to start with, and I had just got out of an emotionally abusive relationship, so when we first started talking and seeing each other, I really felt he was very special. He treated me very kindly, made me feel listened to and cared for and we had an amazing time getting to know one another. We both still lived at home at the time, but any moment we could, we would spend it staying over at each other's houses and things like that. No issues what so ever. But over time, I started noticing some things.

Temper - He has a short temper. He has broken cooking utensils before and broke down due to food he has prepared being burned or not satisfactory to his standards. When we first got together, he tried taking part in one of my hobbies but because he couldn't do it, he threw a bit of a wobbler and really embarrassed himself. I tried to cut him some slack as we were newly dating but looking back on it, it was a red flag I should have picked up on. If something doesn't go as he planned, he can't handle it. He sulks and pouts and generally makes the atmosphere awful.

Sensitive - He is so highly sensitive, to the point it is crippling our relationship. Some examples of which include him accidentally hurting me while kissing/hugging me, I say ow, and he has a strop saying 'I can't even hug/kiss you right without you getting hurt!'. I can't bring up issues with him as he takes it all as an attack (even if I start by saying this isn't an attack on his character, just something we need to talk about), so a lot of things wrong with the relationship are left to fester because I mentally can't take what happens when I bring things to the fore. He cries and says I am calling him a shit person and when he cries, I can't carry on discussing the problem because I feel bad I've upset him so much. The most awkward has been during sex, when I have tried to guide his hand or help him out with something, he gets offended and says I've killed the mood and that he can't carry on because I'm 'taking over for him'. He once told me to use a toy, which I did, then he got upset that I was 'having fun without him' even though he had many opportunities to get involved. He thinks everything I say and do is passive aggressive towards him, and makes me out to be some kind of tyrant in the house because of it. Basically, I have been walking on eggshells for the past few years for a silent life. Our sex life is dead because of this, but also because of...

Hygiene - I have high standards of cleanliness and personal hygiene, but only try to hold myself to that. I expect the very basics to be adhered to e.g. cleaning up after yourself, not leaving shit in the toilet/hair clippings on the sink/bedroom surfaces. But he doesn't do that. Every morning I know I have to clean up after him, and again whenever he has made food. Crumbs all over the floor, rotten sink (which he washes the dishes in so I rewash them) full of food, milk all over the place. Things like that. Easily cleared up, but seem like an impossible task for him. I've asked him over and over to please do it, as I end up having to clean up after him before I can even start making myself breakfast, but he never does. He does the dish washing and the bins, but everything else is left to me. I recently left some of the chores aside to see if he would notice, and he didn't. He seems perfectly happy living in a pig sty (which is reflected by his bedroom - we don't share beds due to size differences etc - it has that greasy man smell and there are used tissues all over the place and fingernails etc). He also doesn't shower that often, and the last time we were intimate - approx. 8 months ago - he smelled so bad I dry heaved when I went down there and had to move away. He blamed the smell on my washing drying in the room. It really upset me. I try to present myself well for him, make sure I am washed and clean, yet he really did smell very unpleasant and it really put me off. The fear of him taking down his pants and the scent I might be faced with actually makes me panic a bit.

Money - He earns a lot more than me, but I still pay for half of the mortgage/bills etc. I don't mind that. Fair is fair. But he is such a stinge, he is paranoid about spending to much when he has 1000's in savings in the bank. We live comfortably, having no children, but he acts like we are living in Dickensian times. He is desperate for a new kitchen but won't pay for one unless I go halves with him. Our kitchen doesn't bother me, it looks okay and functions well. Same with the driveway. Everything is micromanaged and penny pinched to the max and it really sucks the fun out of life when I am scared to buy something in case he's wondering why I am paying for say, a new top, when I could be putting that towards the kitchen he wants.

Because I have been withdrawing somewhat, and my confidence low, I have been going back to old hobbies I enjoyed and making friends online (I have no irl friends currently, only workmates), which has been a blessing for me. I've enjoyed getting to explore new, creative things and have been proud of the projects I've completed, yet he has shamed me for them. Made me feel embarrassed for my interests, so I stopped. I registered my interest in taking part in an event where I would have to train and really put my mind to something, but he talked me out of that to, as he told me he was convinced I was doing it to spend less time with him. Which at the time, I wasn't. I wanted to do something I was proud of, but when he spun it like that I thought yeah, maybe I should have done. I've never shamed him for his interests or goals, but he was pretty quick to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed of mine. He's paranoid about me not liking him, and his worries aren't unfounded. I think I am going through a severe stage of the ick with him, and he's squashed me into such a confined space that I feel like I am ready to blow up.

He blames me for all of this, says it's me who has changed. And I think I have changed. While I have floundered and become small in our relationship, at work and in my hobbies I have flourished. He says he thinks I don't spend enough time with him, but who would want to spend time with someone when you're afraid to speak for fear of upsetting them or having them throw a tantrum? I'm scared to be hugged by him in case he does something which hurts me, in case I have to vocalise some discomfort and he cries because he 'can't hug me right'. He's told me I need therapy. I am currently on a waiting list to be seen (neurodivergent, awaiting final diagnosis but we're nearly there!). He's told me this several times, and it's upsetting to hear, when all I am doing is trying to better myself. No matter how many times I say I am on a waiting list, he tells me I should pay (with what money???) and go private. He's called my behaviour and the way I word things 'weird' and 'abnormal' before, which I have recently learned is due to my ND. I know I am not the easiest person around, but I am very lenient and courteous with his issues, but everyone has a limit, and I think I have reached mine. I think he is neurotic and needs help.

It's all just a big mess. I've tried talking to him countless times, asking him if he loves me (he never compliments me or anything, only squeezes my bum and things like that which, yeah... don't make a girl feel good) and he says yes, but won't tell me why if I ask him. I don't think I love him any more. Not in that way. I care for him, but I think everything that has happened has torpedoed what we had going on. I'm not sure I can get that back, and the only way I see we can is if he learns to take constructive criticism which at this point, seems impossible.

I've probably missed loads out, and I'm not sure what I'm even asking for here. But some advice would be nice. My family have told me to leave and go back home to their place, but I am scared. In a recent argument he implied I was just using him at this point for a place to live, which didn't feel good, and called me cruel for not knowing how to progress, that I was keeping him hanging. I often just want to be spirited away elsewhere, and have fantasies of driving off never to be seen again, but I know if I leave, he will have a break down. So I've kind of assigned myself to this life, trapped feeling miserable. You're probably wondering why I am still here, and I honestly don't know other than I keep telling myself I can fix this and live in hope that one day things will change.

Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 02/07/2023 21:06

I don't think you should take anything that he says personally. It's like pressing a button to lower the volume on the TV, he doesn't care what the label on the button says, if the result is what he wants he'll keep pressing it.

So he's probably tried quite a few methods to manipulate you, but you didn't react, in fact you might not have even noticed because whatever it was it wasn't a trigger for you. Eventually he said something that made you pause to consider its validity, doesn't really matter what it is, for some it might be about their weight/figure, education, mental health or family background. It could be anything, what matters is that the manipulative person can see it triggers something. So just like the remote control button for the TV the manipulator will keep pressing. It's not something that he believes to be true, it's just words that he says to get a result that he wants. He would use a spell from Harry Potter if it got the result the he wanted.

So stop considering whether there is something wrong with you, you'll be right as rain once you're away from him.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 02/07/2023 21:27

I don't know how I would cope or what I would do

How you would cope without him leaving his messes for you to tidy up?
Without him sulking when things don't go to plan?
Without him trying to control your orgasms to the point he gets offended if you guide him?
Without him taking advantage of you financially?

If he's not an abuser that's purely because you won't label him as such. He is. Leave him and live the rest of your life peacefully.

guzzleandstuff · 02/07/2023 21:42

Leave, leave, leave. This is no way to live. (I lived with the temper tantrum/ over sensitive stuff/ strops over sex for far longer than I should have done - and it ruined so many holidays, birthdays, dinners, visits. So many..... Wasted years.

SilentHedges · 02/07/2023 22:00

@laciport A very close friend of mine, and vital support when I was in crappy relationships, said to me "No man is better than a crap man".

Remember that when you're having a wobble about leaving and "coping".

GuttedAgai · 03/07/2023 07:46

Awareness, Acceptance and Agency are all of our paths to change.

You are aware of the issues and how they impact cumulatively and negatively on your life in many areas.

You are accepting that he will not change - and even when you have changed to accommodate his demands that doesn't satisfy him.

You have agency.

You are further along that you know. You have been inching along that diving board and one day soon you will jump in and swim away.

You have somewhere to go, you have someone wonderful who has your back. You have savings, a job, hobbies - as well as the capacity to continuing to work on your own self improvement and coping with ND.

The only bits are logistics and scheduling.

The big bit is telling him and the aftermath.

Get EVERYTHING planned before.

Tell him NOTHING - to keep you safe.

Get advice an a safety plan together.

Expect him to be abhorrent and threatening and have a plan of action.

Leave and leave him a note.

Write that you are not compatible and you wish him well and explain what needs to happen with the house (give him a timescale to respond, take action or court order will be enforced). Have 3 valuations pick the middle one and give him the number (consider expenses and what you put in).

Get you name off all utilities.

Block him on everything and only have email correspondence. Tell him this will be censored weekly by your mother before you read it and respond.

Expect him to kick off and tell him if he does you will report him for harassment. Legally it's x2 further contacts if you have asked him to stop.

Luckily for you he wants to look like the good guy - so always expose his behaviour to others and he will hopefully behave.....eventually.

But expect he will do the threaten suicide stuff (call the police for a welfare check) - that's a standard bullying tactic for these types.

Re-read the thread to know how he will react.

Get some legal advice so he doesn't run down the clock and drain your money around the house. Understand the process and minimum timelines.

Get everything prepared.
Get out.
Don't listen or engage in anything other than that related to splitting the house.

Take charge and initiate the move on every step.

Your mother will be ECSTATIC.

Good luck a wonderful life is a few days away!

laciport · 03/07/2023 10:08

@guzzleandstuff Yeah he wants to go abroad as we haven't been together (i have a little fear of flying but want to get over it) but I can't face going if we're just going to argue or we fall out. I know I'll just want to hop on a plane and get home to where I feel safe.

And thank you to everyone else who has responded overnight. I appreciate the well wishes and kind words. Woken up this morning to the kitchen in disarray. Have text him to ask him to clean up and now he's annoyed. Seeing my lovely mum this week so I'll get the ball rolling. Not consigning my life to this.

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lashy · 03/07/2023 10:18

First reply from Fiddlesticks82 hit the nail on the head.

AlwaysTheGoodGirl · 03/07/2023 12:18

@laciport Please go to your mum as soon as you can. I know how insurmountable this all feels, I'm feeling it and have been feeling it for years, but once you get through the difficult stage you are free. You aren't married, you have no children, this all makes it so very much less difficult, and you also have somewhere to go. Your mum loves you and will be overjoyed to rescue you from this horrible man. As a mum myself, if either of my kids ever found themselves in such an unhappy situation as you, I'd do everything I could to bring them home. Go to her. I am desperate to get away from my unhappy marriage, he's similar to yours in terms of hygiene and being generally a man child who seems happy to leave all responsibility to me, and one day I will be free. Change is hard and I hate the thought of it myself. I also worry about how it will affect my kids. Am I making it worse for them to go through with separation, or am I damaging them by keeping them in a home with no love between their mum and dad? I can't decide, and so I rumble on. You don't have kids, you're not married, and I realise I may be sounding harsh or as if I'm saying it's so much easier for you than it is for me, but logistically it is. So please go to your mum and life will get better immediately Flowers

Midnightpony · 03/07/2023 12:22

I got as far as him hurting you when he's hugging you then complaining when you say ow.
Leave him

Always4Brenner · 03/07/2023 12:25

Please leave life’s too short for this . As others have said better no man than crap man and believe me I know.

Discretionassured · 03/07/2023 13:16

Once you're at your mum's and away from him you will begin to see things clearly again and all that uncertainty will melt away OP, please believe that because it's true. He is emotionally and mentally abusive (illustrated by the fact that you feel you have had to 'make yourself small' to survive in this relationship) and that messes with your head and means you can't think straight or see things as they really are while you're still in the midst of it.

I'm autistic too and recognise some of the difficulties you feel it causes you in relationships but let me just assure you, none of his behaviour is your fault or because you're ND, it's because he's abusive, nothing else. He has effectively trained you with his behaviour to take the blame for everything, which is why you're questioning whether you/your autism are the problem when everyone reading your posts can see it's all him.

Please just go to your mum's, him and his 'breakdown' are not your responsibility and the sooner you are out of there the sooner you can start to heal Flowers

HectorPlasm · 03/07/2023 13:21

Bloody hell, there is little worse than a needy man - and one that stinks to boot?

laciport · 03/07/2023 14:35

@Discretionassured That is really good to know. I do worry that when I get my official diagnosis he will assume I will use it as an excuse or a shield to explain my difficulties or how I may react to things, when really, I want it for the opposite. I need to know the reason so I can better myself and find ways to deal with my issues.

@HectorPlasm Please. I know. He works out a lot too and sometimes he would roll into bed after being at work all day, working out and expect me to want to pleasure him without so much as a courtesy wash. I've told him before that men can smell down there too and he's adamant they don't. I think I have been put off men for life after this. I know they're not all like this but it will take me a long time to want to be sexual with a man.

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Springbuds38 · 03/07/2023 14:39

Please leave him, you deserve better than being his skivvy

Fiddlesticks82 · 03/07/2023 15:24

23 very very long posts (possibly longest Op I have ever seen) OP in less than a day.

How much time will you continue to waste on this man.

Please stop navel gazing. And start doing.

do you have any one at all in RL to actually thrash this out in person?

Ladybug14 · 03/07/2023 15:37

Leave. Walk away. Take all your things (move everything when he's at work)

Go to your parents for now

See a solicitor for 30 mins free advice so you know what you're entitled to

Life is meant to be filled with as much joy and contentment as you can find

You are living in purgatory atm

Discretionassured · 03/07/2023 16:02

My DH and I have identified some areas where my autism causes difficulties between us, never once has he used that to berate me, imply I'm 'weird' or accuse me of using my ND as an excuse. I have no doubt I can be difficult to live with (as can he, despite being NT!) but he knows I do what I can to manage it and we treat each other with kindness and tolerance, that's the least you should be able to expect from your partner.

The fact that he would jump to the assumption that you will use your diagnosis as a get out of jail free card speaks volumes about him. Just think, if you were free of him by that time he could assume whatever he likes and it wouldn't matter a jot to you!

laciport · 03/07/2023 17:23

@Fiddlesticks82 Sorry if this is irritating for you. I am just trying to get my thoughts in order. I have no one in person to talk about this with, other than my mum who lives miles away. I can't speak to anyone at work about it as some people there know him. I have no friends or relatives otherwise.

@Discretionassured I figured that would be the case of how things were meant to be. I'm not looking to be handled with kid gloves or pat on the head. Just nice to see there are people out there who do take being ND for what it is and being non-judgmental.

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Stirredandconfused678 · 03/07/2023 17:53

laciport · 02/07/2023 18:16

@Stirredandconfused678 It's okay, don't worry. I'm not offended! Luckily, we do not have a joint bank account. He wouldn't get one with me, so all of my money is my own so I don't need to hide anything there. I will discuss with my Mum what I can do and set up an emergency bag or something as you've suggested. (I like that precious things reference if that was indeed a reference to a certain 90's comedy :) )

Good luck op! 💐💐💐

A major change like this is very, very hard, especially if you are ND. I read somewhere the other day that our brains are hardwired for “safety” in other words, “better the devil you know” and this can keep us in situations far longer than is optimum.

I hope you can draw strength from the fact that you are in a good position financially, your mother is fab, you have a safe place to retreat to. I think drawing up a detailed plan and writing a list of all the things you want and can do once separated will help.

And kind of accept and plan for the fact that the next six months will feel crap but it will be worth it. Maybe start a creative hobby or activity that you really enjoy that will see you through this difficult patch which will be both a comfort and a distraction.

And maybe if you can afford it see a licensed private psychologist for an eight week 45 min session to hand hold you through the process.

WhatInFreshHell · 03/07/2023 18:20

You sound fabulous OP! Get rid of this vile creature and be free! Just think, you won't ever have to go near his smelly cock ever again! Imagine the joy!

Wishimaywishimight · 03/07/2023 18:29

Stop wasting your time, seriously.

LightSpeeds · 03/07/2023 19:13

Please leave him and free yourself from this unhappiness

Crikeyisthatthetime · 03/07/2023 19:41

OP whatever your diagnosis says, I hope you will find the strength to leave him. You seem to me to be a lovely caring person. So you are over-thinking this. It doesn't even matter if your brain is wired up differently or not. Neurodiverse people also deserve to be happy. You don't need his permission or his understanding to leave. (Or anyone else's.) All you need is to know that he makes you very unhappy and you want to leave. You know that life will be calmer and better and smell a lot nicer without him. You have somewhere to go and your mum will be so happy and relieved for you when you leave him. You can do this.

huntingcunting · 03/07/2023 19:43

I often just want to be spirited away elsewhere, and have fantasies of driving off never to be seen again, but I know if I leave, he will have a break down

That's what you need to do then. Drive off and go back to your mum's.
If he has a break down then that's up to him to deal with that. I don't think he will though.
He's treating you appallingly.

Fairislefandango · 03/07/2023 19:50

You sound lovely. He sounds horrendous. Don't waste any more of your life on him, or any more of your mental energy on working out what you should do. Leave him asap.

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