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I think I might be done.

101 replies

laciport · 02/07/2023 17:17

So this might be a bit of a long one, and for that, I apologise.

My partner and I have been together for nearly 10 years now. Bought a house 5 years ago. We hadn't lived together prior to this, though we did basically live in one another's pockets for the time leading up to moving in.

He was amazing to start with, and I had just got out of an emotionally abusive relationship, so when we first started talking and seeing each other, I really felt he was very special. He treated me very kindly, made me feel listened to and cared for and we had an amazing time getting to know one another. We both still lived at home at the time, but any moment we could, we would spend it staying over at each other's houses and things like that. No issues what so ever. But over time, I started noticing some things.

Temper - He has a short temper. He has broken cooking utensils before and broke down due to food he has prepared being burned or not satisfactory to his standards. When we first got together, he tried taking part in one of my hobbies but because he couldn't do it, he threw a bit of a wobbler and really embarrassed himself. I tried to cut him some slack as we were newly dating but looking back on it, it was a red flag I should have picked up on. If something doesn't go as he planned, he can't handle it. He sulks and pouts and generally makes the atmosphere awful.

Sensitive - He is so highly sensitive, to the point it is crippling our relationship. Some examples of which include him accidentally hurting me while kissing/hugging me, I say ow, and he has a strop saying 'I can't even hug/kiss you right without you getting hurt!'. I can't bring up issues with him as he takes it all as an attack (even if I start by saying this isn't an attack on his character, just something we need to talk about), so a lot of things wrong with the relationship are left to fester because I mentally can't take what happens when I bring things to the fore. He cries and says I am calling him a shit person and when he cries, I can't carry on discussing the problem because I feel bad I've upset him so much. The most awkward has been during sex, when I have tried to guide his hand or help him out with something, he gets offended and says I've killed the mood and that he can't carry on because I'm 'taking over for him'. He once told me to use a toy, which I did, then he got upset that I was 'having fun without him' even though he had many opportunities to get involved. He thinks everything I say and do is passive aggressive towards him, and makes me out to be some kind of tyrant in the house because of it. Basically, I have been walking on eggshells for the past few years for a silent life. Our sex life is dead because of this, but also because of...

Hygiene - I have high standards of cleanliness and personal hygiene, but only try to hold myself to that. I expect the very basics to be adhered to e.g. cleaning up after yourself, not leaving shit in the toilet/hair clippings on the sink/bedroom surfaces. But he doesn't do that. Every morning I know I have to clean up after him, and again whenever he has made food. Crumbs all over the floor, rotten sink (which he washes the dishes in so I rewash them) full of food, milk all over the place. Things like that. Easily cleared up, but seem like an impossible task for him. I've asked him over and over to please do it, as I end up having to clean up after him before I can even start making myself breakfast, but he never does. He does the dish washing and the bins, but everything else is left to me. I recently left some of the chores aside to see if he would notice, and he didn't. He seems perfectly happy living in a pig sty (which is reflected by his bedroom - we don't share beds due to size differences etc - it has that greasy man smell and there are used tissues all over the place and fingernails etc). He also doesn't shower that often, and the last time we were intimate - approx. 8 months ago - he smelled so bad I dry heaved when I went down there and had to move away. He blamed the smell on my washing drying in the room. It really upset me. I try to present myself well for him, make sure I am washed and clean, yet he really did smell very unpleasant and it really put me off. The fear of him taking down his pants and the scent I might be faced with actually makes me panic a bit.

Money - He earns a lot more than me, but I still pay for half of the mortgage/bills etc. I don't mind that. Fair is fair. But he is such a stinge, he is paranoid about spending to much when he has 1000's in savings in the bank. We live comfortably, having no children, but he acts like we are living in Dickensian times. He is desperate for a new kitchen but won't pay for one unless I go halves with him. Our kitchen doesn't bother me, it looks okay and functions well. Same with the driveway. Everything is micromanaged and penny pinched to the max and it really sucks the fun out of life when I am scared to buy something in case he's wondering why I am paying for say, a new top, when I could be putting that towards the kitchen he wants.

Because I have been withdrawing somewhat, and my confidence low, I have been going back to old hobbies I enjoyed and making friends online (I have no irl friends currently, only workmates), which has been a blessing for me. I've enjoyed getting to explore new, creative things and have been proud of the projects I've completed, yet he has shamed me for them. Made me feel embarrassed for my interests, so I stopped. I registered my interest in taking part in an event where I would have to train and really put my mind to something, but he talked me out of that to, as he told me he was convinced I was doing it to spend less time with him. Which at the time, I wasn't. I wanted to do something I was proud of, but when he spun it like that I thought yeah, maybe I should have done. I've never shamed him for his interests or goals, but he was pretty quick to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed of mine. He's paranoid about me not liking him, and his worries aren't unfounded. I think I am going through a severe stage of the ick with him, and he's squashed me into such a confined space that I feel like I am ready to blow up.

He blames me for all of this, says it's me who has changed. And I think I have changed. While I have floundered and become small in our relationship, at work and in my hobbies I have flourished. He says he thinks I don't spend enough time with him, but who would want to spend time with someone when you're afraid to speak for fear of upsetting them or having them throw a tantrum? I'm scared to be hugged by him in case he does something which hurts me, in case I have to vocalise some discomfort and he cries because he 'can't hug me right'. He's told me I need therapy. I am currently on a waiting list to be seen (neurodivergent, awaiting final diagnosis but we're nearly there!). He's told me this several times, and it's upsetting to hear, when all I am doing is trying to better myself. No matter how many times I say I am on a waiting list, he tells me I should pay (with what money???) and go private. He's called my behaviour and the way I word things 'weird' and 'abnormal' before, which I have recently learned is due to my ND. I know I am not the easiest person around, but I am very lenient and courteous with his issues, but everyone has a limit, and I think I have reached mine. I think he is neurotic and needs help.

It's all just a big mess. I've tried talking to him countless times, asking him if he loves me (he never compliments me or anything, only squeezes my bum and things like that which, yeah... don't make a girl feel good) and he says yes, but won't tell me why if I ask him. I don't think I love him any more. Not in that way. I care for him, but I think everything that has happened has torpedoed what we had going on. I'm not sure I can get that back, and the only way I see we can is if he learns to take constructive criticism which at this point, seems impossible.

I've probably missed loads out, and I'm not sure what I'm even asking for here. But some advice would be nice. My family have told me to leave and go back home to their place, but I am scared. In a recent argument he implied I was just using him at this point for a place to live, which didn't feel good, and called me cruel for not knowing how to progress, that I was keeping him hanging. I often just want to be spirited away elsewhere, and have fantasies of driving off never to be seen again, but I know if I leave, he will have a break down. So I've kind of assigned myself to this life, trapped feeling miserable. You're probably wondering why I am still here, and I honestly don't know other than I keep telling myself I can fix this and live in hope that one day things will change.

Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
laciport · 02/07/2023 18:28

@ZeroFucksGivenToday These are the things I have been worried about. I struggle a bit with understanding all these terms and rules, so having it laid out like this is such a big help. I won't let him talk to me into anything. I'm too stubborn for things like that. He may be a lot of things but he (so far) isn't sly. He's too paranoid about looking like the bad guy.

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Unsure33 · 02/07/2023 18:29

You don’t need an excuse , you just don’t love him anymore . Please leave , you only have one life and you have an opportunity to leave . He will either have to buy you out or sell the house so that should be straightforward . LeAve and breathe and enjoy your hobbies and friends that you will meet .

LightlySearedontheRealityGrill · 02/07/2023 18:35

He is abusive and the situation with him sounds intolerable. Walking on eggshells, constantly being put down, someone dirty and lazy who expects you to clean up after him. Its gross, get away asap. Tell him its over. Get 3 estate agents around for valuations and take an average of the 3 as the house price, if he wants to buy you out. He will try to cheat you so be on your guard for that. Selling would be better, but if he doesnt want to then thats harder. Get anything of value of yours out of the house and over to your mums before you say anything, covert narcs will break and destroy your property to hurt you. Protect yourself, but dont back down and make sure you take what is yours. Good luck.

cisisaslur · 02/07/2023 18:49

None of this, NONE of this is you.
I can't see any redeeming features at all.
He smells and is not housetrained.
He's shit in bed and you can't even give him gentle instructions for fear of offending the bloke,
He's mean to you and squashes your achievements.
He is mean with money.
You can't have a conversation with him without him getting offended.
Please leave him.

airmaxJ · 02/07/2023 18:54

The part where he doesn't want you to do hobbies really stands out , your isolated and he controls your happiness and he plays with you like a puppet on a string
He's not nice he'll never change, in fact he'll only get worse as you get weaker and your personality and world shrinks even more

airmaxJ · 02/07/2023 18:56

You do love him but not in love Because he's killing it . Your worn down and this is emotional abuse. You need to get away from this man

tara66 · 02/07/2023 19:04

So is it only low morale and low self esteem that is keeping you with this dreadful man? Be glad you don't have children so are actually very free to leave. Is half the house yours? What can be keeping you with this controlling , gas lighting, unhygienic, financially mean , lazy, abusive, very bad ''lover''?

laciport · 02/07/2023 19:06

@LightlySearedontheRealityGrill Thank you, I will do that when I hopefully get to that point. I don't think I have room to take everything with me to my Mum's house, so I may have to sell my stuff or put it in storage or something.

@airmaxJ Yeah, that along with the hygiene issue is what really hurt me. We attended an event together where I got to take part in my hobby with other enthusiasts and the whole time he stood around with a face like a smacked arse. It was very embarrassing for me and I ended up having to apologise. It wasn't a nice day at all, and all my hard work was for nothing. It has been simmering in my mind since then and it all came out the other week. He said he was surprised, and that I was saying he was a shit person because of it. Putting words in my mouth.

I don't expect him to love or enjoy all my hobbies/interests, but to make someone feel shame about them is really pushing it. And yeah, I am not in love. I don't get those feelings anymore. I wish he was better or could be how he used to be but I know that isn't happening.

OP posts:
laciport · 02/07/2023 19:08

@tara66 Fear of the unknown. With my confidence at rock bottom, I am unsure if any others would want me, or whether I would even want to be with anyone else in the future. Change is hard for me. I know it is for everyone, but being possibly autistic makes it that little bit more tricky for me. I am hoping I grow the balls to do it soon because I know how stupid the situation is.

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CheekyHobson · 02/07/2023 19:11

He sounds shockingly similar to my ex, who unfortunately I did have kids with and it kept me in the relationship far longer than was good for me.

It is emotional abuse and it probably is covert narcissism too. Let me guess, he had a tough childhood and you often put up with his behavior because part of you feels sorry for him?

I left and within six months I was so so so much happier and more at peace despite the obvious challenges of being a single mum. You will be able to see his behaviour so much more clearly when you are not living with it.

Grahambella · 02/07/2023 19:12

You are very lucky you have a mum who has space to take you back. Make your mums day/week/year and move back in with her.

Pixiedust1234 · 02/07/2023 19:14

Oh dear God. Get out. Run as fast as you can, as soon as you can.

It's not you, it's him. Don't let anybody tell you differently.

laciport · 02/07/2023 19:16

@CheekyHobson He didn't, actually. He had a good childhood. Everything catered for. We came from entirely different backgrounds. I was raised by a single Mum (she is amazing, I would die for her!) and he had everything. I think that may be part of the problem. He's not being used to having someone tell him how it is.

I'm glad you're happier now. Hopefully I can get there one day.

@Grahambella She is amazing. I am very lucky to have her. She constantly texts me to make sure I'm okay. I know she's worried and I don't like worrying her, so I've had that weighing on my mind a bit too.

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CheekyHobson · 02/07/2023 19:32

He didn't, actually. He had a good childhood. Everything catered for.

Ah, well that is the other pathway through which narcissism develops… no resilience to stress because everything was done for them.

laciport · 02/07/2023 19:33

@CheekyHobson It makes sense. I tried not to read too much into the narcissism thing but a lot of it seems to fit.

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Opentooffers · 02/07/2023 19:38

As you own half the property, you are owed half of its equity. There are 2 ways of getting that - either he buys you out by using his savings or extending the mortgage and putting it in his name, or the house is sold and you split the equity.
First step is to get the house valued and then go from there, it might be worth more than you think, house prices have gone up hugely in last 5 years.
When that's sorted, no ties, go and enjoy your own life - with some money behind you to use for deposit or rent, or to help your mum out (she sounds great).

laciport · 02/07/2023 19:39

@Opentooffers That makes sense, thank you. I think I would help my Mum out a bit. I owe her big time. I love her so much. She's been my voice of reason through all of this and it's the least I could do.

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 02/07/2023 19:44

Hi OP

Just re-read your message. He was amazing to start with then para after para of stuff that upsets you and makes you feel bad about yourself and this relationship. What does that tell you?

Loads of good advice on here, as always.

Naunet · 02/07/2023 19:50

He doesn’t want a human woman OP, he wants a service-bot with no wants, needs, demands or desires, just someone to smile compliantly at him no matter how repulsive he is and service him and ‘his’ house. He’s treated you appallingly, you deserve so much better.

UncleRadley · 02/07/2023 20:04

Yeah, I'd be done too to be honest.

beaniebutter · 02/07/2023 20:13

Hi OP.

Don't normally comment, but your post was eerily similar to my situation last year. Could have written it myself.

Ex DP - we shared a mortgaged house 50/50, not married, no kids, he was a high earner. We paid half on everything down to the PENNY, he was extremely stingy, extremely dirty, made the house a pigsty, didn't do any garden work the entire time we lived in our house (i did it with the help of my grandad), expected me to cook and clean up after him. Refused to help with DIY. Would moan if I didnt have him a cooked dinner despite me working longer hours than him. Expected me to buy his family christmas presents and birthday presents out of my own pocket, and he wouldnt even get them anything at all (lol)! Told me to buy my own birthday presents from him and he'd give me the money lol. Went on holiday by himself as I couldn't get the vacation time and he didn't want to 'miss out'. No sex life as i felt like his mum. he didn't/couldn't show affection despite apparently 'loving' me.

ultimately i'm not really sure how i let myself get in that situation for 5 whole years. i ended up moving out to my mums too, she was very supportive.

Moving out allowed me to gain some space from the situation and clearly see how awful he truly was as a 'partner'.

I very quicky found my now husband. a man who truly adores me, spoils me and takes care of me more than i could have ever imagined. I cry when i think about what I used to put up with.

OP don't let this stupid man child make you miserable for any longer. You could meet a truly wonderful man who will cherish you and make you feel truly loved! house/mortgage will get sorted eventually, don't worry.

I'd start to pack some bits, moved to your mums, then get 3 house valuations from estate agents and go from there :)

OldBeller · 02/07/2023 20:30

I absolutely know that feeling of wishing I could just drive away in my car. I don't know what stopped me because the guy I was seeing was doing truly unforgivable things.

But like you, I was getting the ick from his horrible behaviour. I literally started to feel strong disgust just from looking at his feet or something.

I'd emotionally detached for my own protection and he picked up on that and started treating me even worse. Because in his mind, I had absolutely no right to criticise him or be upset about a particular incident once he'd decided I shouldn't.

I also got absolutely demonised for the most minor things. He would call me a gaslighter, a narcissist, a toxic fuck, a cunt, manipulative, a liar, that I was going to drive him to suicide, and so on and so on. I got seriously ill once and he said I'd called an ambulance for attention. Just absolutely trying to break me down and make me responsible for every single one of his own bad feelings.

I didn't dare speak about how I was feeling because I knew it wasn't worth dealing with his reaction.

So, to cut a long story short, I did end up driving away in my car. It was the most liberating and refreshing feeling. I felt gloriously free. Like you, I had somewhere to go which was massively helpful.

I have struggled a bit with processing the torture I was put through (because it IS torture), but life is so much better than it was, even with the feelings of anxiety I'm dealing with. I'd say eighty percent of the time, I feel like a prisoner released into the world. Finally free!

His reaction was to insult and bully me via message (really vile stuff as well, like yours telling you that you need therapy, which is just bloody outrageous) and then he tried desperately to get me back. He promised me the absolute world, said I was the love of his life, that he couldn't cope without me. I said if it was in your power to treat me better, why wouldn't you have done that in the first place? I refused to go back. Once he'd got me back under his control, he would absolutely have gone back to his abusive ways.

These bullies reactions have always been their own responsibility. He might have a breakdown or try other manipulative tactics but that is not on you. He's the agent of his own misfortune here.

So please, please get in your car and drive away to your safe place. I promise you that it will be incredibly rewarding. And the hard times are very much worth going through. Get that courage and do it.

It did take me a few attempts to make that drive. So don't beat yourself up if you can't do it straight away. But keep trying, keep telling yourself you deserve better, keep picturing yourself on the journey and being completely free.

And just so you know for certain, the stuff he has said about you is utter bollocks. You're allowed to have flaws and little quirks or get upset and even angry about something without being abused. You do not have to be perfect to be treated with kindness and respect.

I really wish you all the best 🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺

ilyana · 02/07/2023 20:44

OP, this is so chillingly similar to a situation I got out of last year.

You sound lovely, but one huge drawback of being autistic is that we tend to be easily manipulated because we don't read people's intentions well. I was in exactly the same position as you, worrying about whether I was being too fussy or unreasonable by being annoyed about things he said or did. I think a neurotypical woman would have just binned him off immediately, but I simply wasn't seeing those red flags the way most people would, and I don't think you are either.

You sound really, really self aware and willing to accept your faults, and this can be like catnip to a narcissist who wants his partner to doubt herself and blame herself. He's already got you thinking you're somehow weird, abnormal and need therapy while he gets to just sit back and relax and not worry at all about improving himself or acting nicer. You're so focused on trying to be fair and reasonable and see things from his perspective that you're just missing the giant red flag waving in your face.

He sounds absolutely vile, with few redeeming qualities, and sometimes it takes people outside the situation to tell you this for you to be able to see it.

BlastedPimples · 02/07/2023 20:48

He is foul. Foul in both personality and personal hygiene.

He's also a bully. Trying to make you feel bad all the time when he is rank in his habits.

Awful man.

Get out. You'll breathe a sigh of relief.

WildFlowerBees · 02/07/2023 20:50

You aren't weird or abnormal and you aren't defined by what he thinks of you.

Get your house valued and leave, change isn't always easy but nothing stays the same forever and you will be happier once it's all done.

Do your hobbies, do all the things you love that make you thrive. Your happiness is your responsibility as is his you owe him nothing.

You will come through the other side and life will be all the better for it. 🌸