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If your DH cheated

81 replies

wondering12 · 20/06/2023 13:27

If they deny that it happened even though you know it did. Do you think it helps to know what exactly happened or to continue imagining what you think happened which can also drive you insane.

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Bookworm20 · 20/06/2023 16:55

In answer to your original question, would I want to know the details or would it better just imagining? It would be far worse for me imagining!

I would want to know exactly, how ever painful it was, because not knowing would drive me crazy and I'd be making up every scenario under the sun and picking the worst one. And I know I would never stop.

Knowing, for me, would allow me to at least try and process it and at least get some sort of closure on it. I know everyone is different but I think the not knowing would kill me.

If he 'can't remember', I wouldn't be able to get past that because to me that just means its actually so bad and too bad to tell me anything. I never buy the don't remember shite they come out with, or the too drunk shite. Or the won't tell you shite because they are 'trying to protect you'. Bullshit, they are protecting themself.

And if he was that drunk he can't remember, or didn't know what he was doing, does that mean every time he goes out and gets plastered he'll just shag someone because its so apparently out of his control to not do so?

So sorry you are going through this. I read your other thread. The absolute least the piece of shit can do is give you what YOU want right now, be that all the details or to just fuck off. If he doesn't do that and still thinks of protecting himself he is worth absolutely nothing.

Morewineplease10 · 20/06/2023 16:58

My ex did this. Blindsided me and left after 10 weeks of pretending he wanted to work things out.

I wish with everything I'd kicked him out straightaway!

Don't be me!!

Your kids will still have a dad. He's done this, not you.

WinterDeWinter · 20/06/2023 17:00

Tell him that if he confesses you might end the marriage, but if he doesn’t you definitely will.

wondering12 · 20/06/2023 17:00

He's explaining the makeup as chatting to the girls he was with and hugs but nothing more. He was out with a mixed group. He's denying the sperm and said it's sick. We've been together since 16 and only ever been with each other so he said forever that it actually means something to him that he's only been with me.

I'm just being honest here I know a lot of people may come on here a lie and say that they are separating but I'm just saying I'm struggling. Yes I'm a fool here. He will never admit it. I need to settle myself that I've left no stone unturned as much as possible so that I feel I've done all I can for the children's sake. They don't know anything.

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GeriatricMumma · 20/06/2023 17:13

I'd be speaking to those he was out with. I'd tell him I'll be speaking to them all too, i'd probably also go to the venue and ask there, but I am my own worst enemy!

He would know without a doubt that I'd be very publicly digging up his dirty secrets if he didn't tell the truth.

Bookworm20 · 20/06/2023 17:14

You're not a fool OP. Don't ever think that.

You are just struggling to come to terms with being caused this huge amount of emotional pain by the one person who should be protecting you from it. That is one of the hardest things to get your head around.

You don't have to make any decisions or do anything in any set time limit. There is no limit. You can try and come to terms with it and 2 years, hell 10 years down the line, find you can't and its ok to say then, actually, I can't get past it. There is no statute of limitations on this.

if you need something from him now, information, reassurance, to tell the whole truth, tell him that. Its the absolute least he can do right now and he should be bending over backwards to accommodate whatever it is YOU need right now. He also does not get to tell you you are overreacting or other crap like that. Or get angry at you. He knows exactly what this looks like! He should be doing everything in his power to prove to you it isn't that (if it is not that).

Epidote · 20/06/2023 17:31

It doesn't matter how or what happened. Cheating is cheating. Do not think about him. Think about you and about what do you want to do and if you will be able to fully forgive, not only the cheating, him denying it. It is not about what is in the past even recent that just had happened. It is about how you want your and you DC future.

He did what he did. Now the ball is in your court, think wisely and not rush in anything you decide unless you are 100 sure that is the right decision for you.

Butterwouldmelt · 20/06/2023 17:33

wondering12 · 20/06/2023 14:42

Some home Sunday morning at 7.30am went straight to bed and took his clothes off because he was so drunk and tired. His clothes were covered in makeup and tan, clearly not from just hugs it was down the sides I imagine if a girl had her legs wrapped at his waist during sex. Sick on his trousers and what looks like sperm under the zipper, smelt like perfume. I feel very clear evidence. He is just flat out denying it and can't explain the tan or makeup.

He put his clothes into the wash and went and bought clothes tablets as we had run out to wash which he would never ever do. He said because he needed to have them clean for work today, but then he didn't wear them for work today.

Sperm under the zipper? Sorry but it sounds odd OP and so does the make up all over the jeans too.

You need to go to a GUM clinic just in case. I would speak to others who were out in the group too. If he was intoxicated to this state perhaps he didn't have sex.

CrackersCheeseAndWinePlease · 20/06/2023 17:37

I remember your previous thread and commented on it, the fact he got defensive and immediately demanded money back from you and said he'd go for custody of the kids tells me he's done something wrong.
Listen to what your gut is telling you...it's never wrong

justsaxy · 20/06/2023 23:03

I read your previous thread.

Who was he out with? Have you spoke to them?

He was three hours walk away (Could he walk that far when that drunk?) but it still left several hours unaccounted for. Can you see his locations on his phone?

NotNowGertrude · 20/06/2023 23:35

Can you get some space away from him to consider the options?

MsDogLady · 20/06/2023 23:38

Wondering, your H knows what he did. He indulged in some form of sexual betrayal and he feels entitled to keep you blind. If he had an ounce of remorse and respect, he’d come clean with honesty and transparency.

Regarding your other thread, I recall how nasty and contemptuous he was. He even said something like, ‘Why would I not go elsewhere when I’m not getting it at home,’ which was rich coming from this moody man who mistreats you and gives you no support with the children, 2 of whom are under 2.

You referred to H’s pattern of abusive behavior. Your friend has validated this, and you think we would likely agree if we could read your older threads. Indeed, he had given you the silent treatment (abusive tactic) the day before this transgression. Staying out all night, infidelity, manipulating you with bullying, lying, gaslighting, and hang-dogging — all are abusive manifestations of his selfishness and callous disregard.

Wondering, you need to get him out while you consider your options. You and the children need a peaceful environment and he needs a sharp consequence. It would be game over for me due to all of the above. I deserve respect and loyalty, and my child deserves a healthy relationship model. However, if you’re considering a reconciliation, H must come clean and give you open access to his phone, other devices, and statements. You can’t move forward if you don’t know what you’re forgiving.

Keep posting, Wondering.

TheoTheopolis23 · 20/06/2023 23:50

He's explaining the makeup as chatting to the girls he was with and hugs but nothing more

I take it these women do leg hugs rather than arm hugs - if you said the makeup and self tan was up the sides of his trousers.

That's a strange hugging style.

🙄

TheoTheopolis23 · 20/06/2023 23:51

*Regarding your other thread, I recall how nasty and contemptuous he was. He even said something like, ‘Why would I not go elsewhere when I’m not getting it at home,’ which was rich coming from this moody man who mistreats you and gives you no support with the children, 2 of whom are under 2.

You referred to H’s pattern of abusive behavior. Your friend has validated this, and you think we would likely agree if we could read your older threads. Indeed, he had given you the silent treatment (abusive tactic) the day before this transgression. Staying out all night, infidelity, manipulating you with bullying, lying, gaslighting, and hang-dogging — all are abusive manifestations of his selfishness and callous disregard.*

Threatening to take a woman's kids from her through the legal/SS system is also text book abuser territory.

RocketIceLollie · 20/06/2023 23:53

A cheat and liar is never gonna have a happy ending. You deserve better.

MsDogLady · 21/06/2023 00:49

Absolutely, @TheoTheopolis23. That threat speaks volumes about his mean-spiritedness and low character.

All of his bullying threats and contemptuous comments when confronted were abusive: keeping the children, demanding his money, deserving sex elsewhere, digs re Wondering’s parenting, and goading her about not being able to afford the house.

He’s a shit husband and father.

LadyJ2023 · 21/06/2023 02:55

I wouldn't want to know his arse would be out of the door quick anyway should cheating occur

GeriatricMumma · 21/06/2023 05:42

TheoTheopolis23 · 20/06/2023 23:51

*Regarding your other thread, I recall how nasty and contemptuous he was. He even said something like, ‘Why would I not go elsewhere when I’m not getting it at home,’ which was rich coming from this moody man who mistreats you and gives you no support with the children, 2 of whom are under 2.

You referred to H’s pattern of abusive behavior. Your friend has validated this, and you think we would likely agree if we could read your older threads. Indeed, he had given you the silent treatment (abusive tactic) the day before this transgression. Staying out all night, infidelity, manipulating you with bullying, lying, gaslighting, and hang-dogging — all are abusive manifestations of his selfishness and callous disregard.*

Threatening to take a woman's kids from her through the legal/SS system is also text book abuser territory.

Yes! My ex partner used to say this.

If you leave, I'll tell social services you are a nut job and they'll take the kids.

He never did.

bawchops · 21/06/2023 07:27

@wondering12

Sure I will get flames, but I have been on other side of this. I cheated on my husband. I told him, and we spent a long time in counselling (both individual and couples). To answer your question on details. I always answered the facts/emotional questions to best my ability- why/how/when etc. But in terms of sex positions etc, I never have disclosed as that was what we were advised. He knew I had sex with someone else, he didn't need to torture himself with those details.

Your husband not admitting it will likely be because he is terrified you will leave. But lying about it isn't the answer. Only once you know if it is true or not, and why/how/if he feels remorse can you decide what you want to do. If you do decide to stay he needs ro take full responsibility, look at what boundaries he can put in place to ensure does not happen again... and then it's a tonne of work before things even begin to feel back to normal. And he needs to be willing (and wanting) to carry that work.

wondering12 · 21/06/2023 08:19

As I said he will never ever admit what he's done, he's being dishonest on all accounts. I really really want to separate but I'm scared and I'm feeling guilty for the children. I've been thinking from 3am this morning and going to think all day.

You know the last time we were out as a couple was 4 years ago, he never suggests doing anything together and also he had seemed unhappy for a long time now aswell

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wondering12 · 21/06/2023 08:23

I'm trying to get to the root cause of why I can't just immediately walk away.

  • because of the children, my oldest daughter won't cope.
  • because I still love him even though I'm unhappy in the relationship.
  • I'm scared to be on my own.
  • I'm worried about what people will think after being together so long, it will come as a shock to others and also some people may gloat in it.
  • I actually feel sorry for him because I know he regrets it, I know why do I feel this way.
  • I feel like I'm not doing enough to fix it and giving my children a chance.

It's just tough because my youngest is 3 months old, other child is 18 months and then dd who is 8.

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Inthedeep · 21/06/2023 08:40

You don’t have to make any decisions yet, you can take your time and go at your pace. Would couples counselling be an option?

bawchops · 21/06/2023 08:47

wondering12 · 21/06/2023 08:23

I'm trying to get to the root cause of why I can't just immediately walk away.

  • because of the children, my oldest daughter won't cope.
  • because I still love him even though I'm unhappy in the relationship.
  • I'm scared to be on my own.
  • I'm worried about what people will think after being together so long, it will come as a shock to others and also some people may gloat in it.
  • I actually feel sorry for him because I know he regrets it, I know why do I feel this way.
  • I feel like I'm not doing enough to fix it and giving my children a chance.

It's just tough because my youngest is 3 months old, other child is 18 months and then dd who is 8.

You don't need to make a decision straight away. You have children and a life together- it's not easy

Would counselling be an option? The benefit is that it gives some structure to the process. It's bloody painful though and (in my experience) requires a certain degree of humility for both parties which I imagine for the wronged person is especially difficult.

But he needs to take responsibility and be committed to fixing it. Otherwise I would worry the resentment will become huge

Kingfishersperch · 21/06/2023 08:53

Check out the surviving infidelity website. True remorse is admitting fully what they did and living with that consequence (giving up their selfishness). Not admitting the truth is controlling - they want to control your right to know and not give you the information to make an informed decision.

The moping about is part of his selfishness - a woe is me attitude. That’s not remorse. That’s him showing you he is selfish. He is worried about what is going to happen to him! Hence clothes washing, he is controlling the outcome (or trying to).

I would call his bluff and say ‘if something has happened and you are really remorseful you need to tell me. That is the only way our marriage will be saved. If you continue to lie to me, and to yourself, you are destroying our marriage. Better to tell me, then we can work together to move on as a couple’ blah blah blah - others on here will word it better. Maybe show him some material on owning up saving a marriage.

Hopefully then you will get the confession you need.

WhineWhineWhineWINE · 21/06/2023 09:03

I stayed after infidelity when my children were young for all the reasons you listed. It ate away at me every single day for years and years. Then when I was starting to relax, the bastard did it again. I wish I'd left the first time.