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Grandpa's girlfriend

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YellowSunshine123 · 23/05/2023 11:48

My dad is 76 and has been seeing his girlfriend for over a year.

They seem very happy and divide their time between their separate homes in the same city. I would go so far as to say they are 'loved up'. It's actually very sweet to see him like that, he certainly was never like that with my mum, he really is smitten.

(in advance.... this is a very long post! I didn't mean it to be, but it's impossible to summarise this in a nutshell. If you get to the end, and leave your opinion, thank you :) ! )

My dad has been single for over 20 years and she for probably 30-40 years, although her marriage ended much in a much more painful way than my dad's and it seems, there was infidelity and all sorts of painful behaviour in her marriage and my dad sees her as 'vulnerable'. Her ex husband is not alive anymore but she has two sons, and grandchildren who live abroad. Until a year ago she lived with one of her sons in the same city they live in now.

My Mum and Dad had a 23 year marriage but grew apart and divorced, my mum remarried soon after but that didn't end up working out and that ended in a messy divorce. She has been alone since, and my dad has been alone since he divorced my mum. They have always remained good friends and respected each other - we have always spent graduations, Christmases and all the usual important occasions together. Not particularly conventional, but it's always worked for us and that's how our family is. My parent's were speaking about retiring near each other, until fairly recently. There's a 9 year age gap between my parents and my mother didn't want my Dad being in lockdown alone and so invited him to stay with her, which he did. She never wanted my dad to be alone in his old age and has always been thinking of his wellbeing, despite them not being married. To her, he will always be family, regardless of whether they are married or not.

Fast forward to now - my dad's girlfriend is slightly younger than my Dad, but much less mobile than he is. In fact, she is of very limited mobility as she has arthritis in her knees and is carrying a significant amount of body weight making it both hard her to move easily, and also hard for her to loose the weight.

My dad has been extremely fit for over 10 years now, as he had a health scare and changed his food habits and began exercising daily, and recently this has all changed. He no longer goes on his daily jogs, or even walks. He is looking less healthy because of this. He used to go on walking holidays with his siblings, but no longer can because he is duty bound to his girlfriend and she depends on him to care for her. His words: " he can not leave her on her own, she is vulnerable". I find this particularly troubling as this clearly means he is sacrificing his freedom for hers. This means he is unable to travel to ours to spend time with his grandchildren on his own (we live 200 miles away). But at the same time, they are making long journeys 900 miles away to visit her grandchildren in Europe, in fact my Dad is seeing her Grandchildren more than his own. I find this a bit confusing, why he can't make visits on his own.... what did she do before she met my dad? She lived with her son before, and they still live very close by, so why can't she stay with him when my dad visits us occasionally?

I am having real trouble being 100% happy about this situation for various reasons. And am being put under a lot of pressure from her (via him) to involve my children with her. She is desperate to be involved with my children. I am told she is devastated that I am 'excluding' her. This honestly is keeping me awake and night and causing me a lot of upset. I have no intention of 'devastating' anybody and I don't understand why she is devastated. She has met my children, and has gone on 2 days out with them to the beach and aquarium. They have met. I am simply setting some boundaries as I do not feel ready to 100% include her in my life and my children's lives.

I am being cautious in introducing the children to her as Grandpa's girlfriend, and have wanted to continue to predominantly meet up with my Dad on his own until we settle into the idea a bit. When I see my dad and his girlfriend (when I meet them without my kids) they are very touchy feely, and I feel this would be confusing for my children. Until now, my mother and father have been on very good and friendly terms, and so, although unconventional, that has been our family dynamic for the entirety of my children's lives. In their eyes, Grandpa and Nanna are a unit / team. I am treading cautiously as I feel this situation is a little sensitive for them (and me).

Her children and grandchildren are (obviously, perhaps) far happier and accepting of my dad, than we are of her. Because of her limited mobility she hadn't seen her grandchildren much over the years, but now my Dad is in her life she has a chaperone and they are making visits as often as possible. Also, on their case, there is not another grandparent (alive) and in the equation, like there is in my family. In my eyes, you just can't compare, and the expectation that I should be as open about it as they are, is strange and unrealistic.

If I'm being completely honest, a part of me doesn't want to sacrifice time we could be spending together as a family, with someone who isn't our family. If I were to allow her to be more involved with my kids, that would mean spending our time off work divided between my mum, and my dad and his girlfriend. Neither live anywhere near me, so visits are limited to half terms really, and me and my children are very very close to my mum. Added to the whole situation, my mum had cancer last year, and although she is cancer free now, it's been a bit of a shock to us, and all the more reason I don't want to sacrifice any time we could be spending building memories with her, to start a new relationship with someone else who is 'over the top' keen. It just doesn't feel natural or easy and although I'm not saying I never want to spend time with her, I do feel it should be OK that I limit the amount of time I spend with her.

Mainly I worry about my Dad's health. His own mother (my grandmother) remarried late in life and her husband's health quickly deteriorated and she began to age much faster due to becoming her husband's carer. I worry the same will happen with my father. I worry he will regret committing so fast and that his senior years will end up being really hard work for him.

But, I also worry about how much I will see of him, and how much he will see of his grandchildren.

Has anyone got even a remotely similar situation?
Am I being unfair?

I wish I could stop thinking about all of this, but am getting bad vibes off my extended family now, and feeling like the world's biggest bitch for setting boundaries and not just doing what my Dad and his girlfriend want. In my eyes, it makes sense that I would be feeling like this, given my family dynamic and how things have played out. I have been told - her family have welcomed my dad with open arms - I have no doubt they have - their situation is very different to mine. I can't be held responsible for her happiness, or for making her feel devastated, surely that's unreasonable? Feeling huge emotional pressure and guilt from all angles - and just can't bare it anymore, so making a post on here as no idea where else to get impartial opinions from.

I feel it should be OK for me to see my Dad on his own, and for him to join us on family occasions. It's not like I am saying I will never see her, but just that it's a bit more limited, that should be OK, right?

OP posts:
Peanutlatte · 23/05/2023 16:12

I didn't read everything , too long for me.. but from what I read, I understand your concer about your dad not being so healthy as before but he is happy and he is an adult, you can't do anything.

pimplebum · 23/05/2023 16:15

Can't you just say
' dad , she is lovely and we are so happy she make you happy but we would like some time just with you , is that ok , love you "

Seaoftroubles · 23/05/2023 16:22

I am afraid l think you are being rather unfair.Your Dad is happy with new lady and they sound a though they really enjoy each others company.
It strikes me you haven't really accepted that your Mum and Dad are not a unit, and the fact they remained on good terms and got on so well has probably blurred the boundaries somewhat. Don't forget your parents divorced for a reason, and your Mum did remarry even though it didn't work out.
How does your Mum feel about the new situation, is she relaxed about meeting your Dad's new partner or has she got reservations?
I wonder if you were hopeful that your parents might end up back together in their older years? I can understand that but things have changed and as you say your Dad is 'smitten' with his new lady. Could you be a little more flexible and invite them both to visit occasionally? This kind of situation happens all the time with families and ideally everyone can get along. How old are your kids? If they are young l doubt they will judge, they will just see her as Grandpa's friend. If you want to see more of your Dad then l think you might have to accept this is the new normal.

Godwindar · 23/05/2023 16:25

Sorry, it's his other half now and it is clear they consider they come as a pair. I think fine to see your mum on your own and your dad and her separately - assuming your mum doesn;t want to be with them both. But I am confused, she is desperate to be involved but won't travel? So surely that limits how often you see them? If you now need to see your mum and dad separately and that will limit time spent with them, you will need to have boundaries around where they stay and that it might just be a day trip etc.

whichwayisup · 23/05/2023 16:52

I think you are quite right. I'd be exactly the same. You set your own boundaries and she has to accept them. You aren't being rude or difficult you are just taking your time. Fair enough. It's no one else's business and this "devastation" chat would have my alarm bells ringing... Don't like being manipulated so it would make me less likely to open up.

DemelzaandRoss · 23/05/2023 17:11

For goodness sake life is too short to be imposing all these rules & regulations on a 76 year old man.
It’s his life not yours. Just leave him alone to make his own decisions. Let them see your DC when they want to. Stop being so controlling.

SquarePegInRoundHole · 23/05/2023 17:25

Sorry, but I think you are being unfair. This is going to sound harsh but it reads like I would expect a teenager to react. I think you should allow her into your family as I'm sure your partner was welcomed. Your parents have been divorced for years and your mum moved on, your dad should be allowed to as well. I can understand your concerns about his physical health, but the flip side is that a happy, loving relationship is good for humans and will probably help him be less stressed etc. Also, don't worry about your kids - explain that grandpa has a new friend/girlfriend and he likes spending time with her. Kids are extremely adaptable and accepting, but they'll only be if you are too.

BishopRock · 23/05/2023 17:31

I think you're being unreasonable in your demand that only he comes to family occasions, presumably you mean he and your mum attend together and things continue like they were before.

Things have changed, and you seem quite churlish to not include your dad's partner. Not surprised you're getting 'vibes'. That's quite rude. Your children will see granddad more if you include her.

I don't think it's unreasonable to want to see him on his own sometimes, that being said, after my dad remarried I saw him on his own a handful of times in the last 20 years of his life. He was about your dad's age when he remarried. Them's just the breaks I'm afraid.

IfIHadAHeart · 23/05/2023 17:33

The only bit of your post that is remotely reasonable is the concern about him giving up his healthy hobbies, but even that is vibe of your business.

The rest of your post makes you sound like a sulking teenager because someone else is commanding your fathers attention. He’s 76 - although presumably not frail he’s not young either. Make the most of the time you have with him and allow him to do what makes him happy in his later years.

viques · 23/05/2023 17:37

As a matter of interest how did you treat your mums second husband? Was he included in family events, invited and respected as a partner? If so, why is this different , why don’t you ask your dad and his friend to both visit you?

Cupcakekiller · 23/05/2023 17:42

Life's short and your dad is old. If he died at 80 (statistically quite likely), how would you chose to spend his last few years?

Littlemissprosecco · 23/05/2023 17:55

I think it’s important to show your children that you have an open house and that everyone is welcome. It will bode well for their future relationships!
Chill he’s quite old and obviously happy, they just want to be part of things, let them.

Littlemissprosecco · 23/05/2023 17:57

He’s been with her for over a year!

musixa · 23/05/2023 18:09

This means he is unable to travel to ours to spend time with his grandchildren on his own (we live 200 miles away). But at the same time, they are making long journeys 900 miles away to visit her grandchildren in Europe

Is there any reason they wouldn't be able to visit you if they both came (other than your reluctance to accommodate her)?

Shinyandnew1 · 23/05/2023 18:19

You sound like a stroppy teenager. Your dad is happy-invite him and his partner to stay and your mum can either come or not come.

When your mum was with someone, were you equally unwelcoming to him?

FictionalCharacter · 23/05/2023 18:29

whichwayisup · 23/05/2023 16:52

I think you are quite right. I'd be exactly the same. You set your own boundaries and she has to accept them. You aren't being rude or difficult you are just taking your time. Fair enough. It's no one else's business and this "devastation" chat would have my alarm bells ringing... Don't like being manipulated so it would make me less likely to open up.

I agree. Why is she “desperate” to be involved with your kids and “devastated” because she thinks you’re excluding her from a relationship with them? She shouldn’t be putting you under this pressure. She doesn’t have any right to a relationship with your kids at all.

Louoby · 23/05/2023 18:43

I feel like this is more about the fact that she divides your mum and dad as a unit. She's in the picture now so maybe you feel this lady is moving your mum aside? In any event, I would tread carefully, you don't want to upset your dad. He's your dad and he won't be around forever. I would accept that he's happy and be happy with it.
I would invite them both over and get to know her. A couple of days out isn't enough to get to know someone and make a connection.
You are obviously feeling guilty for your mum and maybe feel like your betraying her. It's understandable. I would be honest with both your dad, his gf and your mum and see what they say. Good luck

Darkandstormynite · 23/05/2023 18:49

It seems to me to be a bit of a red flag that she's 'desperate and devestated'. These are very big emotions to be expressing so early on in a relationship and seem very manipulative. I think your gut instinct is telling you something.

Ignore those who say just be happy for him. You're allowed to be concerned about a loved ones new relationship. I think if you changed their ages to 30 or 40, you'd still have a reason to be concerned if they were behaving the same. In fact I suspect people would be quick to call out this behaviour as manipulative.

I think I'd be worried about her establishing a pattern of emotional blackmail to get what she wants and this being used to control your dad. It does seem a very over the top reaction in such a new relationship.

Trust your gut and don't be swayed by emotional manipulation. Still see them but not as a reward for this kind of behavior otherwise it could escalate.

Nodinnernogift · 23/05/2023 18:57

I think you're being really self centered and quite nasty actually. Things have changed - deal with it. Your dad is entitled to some happiness, he's not with your mum anymore, stop acting like a teenager and trying to manipulate him into choosing. I don't believe this is a health concern either.

Mumof4alsoabonus · 23/05/2023 19:05

He’s 76 and he’s found a new love and is smitten. How fantastic is that. You should be so happy for him. I think you are being unreasonable. He doesn’t have unlimited time left, let him enjoy it however he can. Be glad he can! Your kids will be fine, kids are accepting. This whole thing is about you. He would probably see more of his own grandkids if you would welcome them together. Health is fragile and tbh his could take a turn and she could end up his carer. Let him enjoy whatever time he has left and enjoy it with him.

Safxxx · 23/05/2023 19:07

I'll say make more effort with her so she feels accepted and part of the family, once she's comfortable then it will be easier to see your dad on his own, she might even recommend it herself you never know, if she's reminding you all that her side have accepted your dad then maybe she feels not accepted by you all. So help her insecurities and reassure her all is good, because trust me if she's happy then your dad's happy if she's not then you risk losing your dad over it. Whilst that sounds pretty it's the truth, he obviously loves her so once he knows you all love her too he can happily make time for you. Hope all goes well, but you really must adjust to the new life his got now, things have changed so you have to change and adapt to the situation. Setting boundaries won't make it easy.

sunshinesupermum · 23/05/2023 19:14

Thank goodness my adult daughters don't behave like you OP. I am s year younger than your Dad and my DP a couple of years younger. He was very ill as a result of COVID and I more or less became his carer. We live each other as it appears your DF and his lady do. Please stop trying to control two people who are in their late stages of life.

GreenClock · 23/05/2023 19:15

I think that if your parents had romantic feelings for each other still, they’d have reunited during lockdown when they were under the same roof.

I think that you need to come to terms with this and get to know and respect your dad’s partner. It seems that she’s sensing some hostility. That’s a real shame. She may tie him down to some extent due to her health, but he’s obviously decided that she’s worth it.

sunshinesupermum · 23/05/2023 19:15

Love not live 😜

Daleksatemyshed · 23/05/2023 19:41

Your DF loves this woman and wants to take care of her, surely that's what we all hope for in our advancing years. I think if your DP's were still together Op and it was your biological Mother who needed care and he restricted his life for her you'd think that was only right and natural, but because it's not you can only see the down sides. If you have a problem with this then you can't help how you feel but be honest with yourself, if it's because another woman is taking your DM's place then you need to try and be a bigger person for your Dad's sake.

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