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DW cheated for 9 years. How do I get over it and rebuild?

167 replies

JojoB1980 · 20/05/2023 23:12

The last time I posted on MN was in 2017 and I got a really bad reception so please be kind. I've been with my DW 17 years and married for 12 years and have 2 children. Our sex life was great for the first number of years but naturally reduced in frequency especially after marriage. Despite this I felt nothing was wrong as despite it becoming less frequent than I wanted the quality was always great - we always climaxed at the same time (i'd wait for her) and it was obviously very loving and authentic. By the time we had our first child nearly 9 years ago, intimacy had seriously reduced and my sexual advances were fairly consistently rejected. I assumed that despite loving each other wholeheartedly and still both being sexually attracted to each other - that DW simply had a much lower sex drive than me and wasn't at all interested in sex as much as I was. This continued until 2016 when I became more and more frustrated by not just the lack of sex but what I came to feel was a lack of general intimacy between us. I became despondent over time especially when mutual female friends would openly describe their very high sex drive. I felt like very sorry for myself because I still loved her so much but always had a very high sex drive which I assumed was simply incompatible with my DW.

At the end of 2016 I unexpectedly started a sudden infatuation with a beautiful woman who was 12 years younger than me and on our first meeting showed me affection and sexual interest. I immediately felt this sudden explosion of need and desire and realisation of what I'd been missing. We started a two week "affair" which consisted of a few kisses and chats but nothing physical and we both felt extremely anxious and uneasy about it and she ended it. I was heartbroken, not because of any love for her but for the rejection and feeling that I'd lost the one opportunity I'd found for meaningful intimacy. I felt trapped in my marriage to a woman and child I loved intensely but was unfulfilled and frustrated by sexually. I was totally lost and heartbroken and told my wife about it. We went to couples therapy for 3 months where the majority of the discussion seems to centre on DW perception that I didn't contribute equally to household work which turned her off sexually. DW said very little in those sessions. Our communication and appreciation for each other did improve and we resolved to continue our marriage. I subsequently went through what I've since been told was likely 3 years of depression. Our sex life and general intimacy didn't improve and I allowed myself to fixate on the woman that got away; paying for her to move to new zealand, finding her a job, paying her deposit and generally paying to make her dream of emigrating come true just to feel a small sense of validation and acceptance.

What I didn't know was that my wife had been reading my texts and emails for the last 9 months in the belief I was having an affair and never confronted me. Eventually I realised she knew and broke down and explained my heartache of unrequited infatuation. She forgave me instantly and I felt this overwhelming feeling of security and comfort that my DW was the perfect person for me because of the way she handled it. Still the intimacy didn't improve, we had sex less than once a month to the point i started googling definitions for sexless marriage and asking for advice on mumsnet (which was awful, I got crucified).

A few years later I discovered a bag full of dildos and sex toys, and her reaction was horror. I was personally relieved because I felt it meant she did have sexual needs and drive. A while later she called me anxiously to tell me a girlfriend of a man she'd been chatting to on twitter was convinced they were flirting inappropriately and that it was nothing but football banter. The gf called me and I straight out shut her down, absolutely certain that DW simply didn't have that desire or sexual need or drive and that even if she did she'd tell me. a month later I saw the mans name come up on DW phone and opened the chat to find several years thread of extremely graffic sexting. Dick pics and extremely explicit chat going back at least 2 years. I wanted to hold it in but was shocked and frozen and went white and confronted her about it. She claimed it was pure fantasy, like watching porn and was harmless. Again my main feeling was relief that I'd discovered a sexual drive that I could tap into. The one thing that stuck out from the texts was that she'd invited him to our flat for sex and he bottled it and didn't turn up. She claimed that was all heat of the moment fantasy and she would never have gone though with it. She could see how upset I was about the episode so only 2 weeks later I was devastated to find another thread of sexting on her phone with a person she'd previously slept with before our relationship. She was reliving the sordid nature of the sex etc and it totally devastated me. That was in 2020.

Over the following 3 years we started to discuss non monogamy and joined an ENM app. Our sex life immediately went through the roof. We went from having great sex once a month to having extremely gratifying much more adventurous sex about 3 times a day for 3 or 4 months. She was sexting guys on the app and making videos (solo and with me) but she showed it to me whenever I asked and I genuinely wasn't in any way upset or hurt by them because it wasn't in secret and was done in my full knowledge and approval. Suddenly all the activity stopped dead and I asked DW directly to promise me that she hadn't migrated to another channel or platform, I also asked her to tell me if she'd ever slept with anyone else since we began our relationship and she convincingly promise me she hadn't.

Our sex life remained much better for the last 2 years although it did reduce again in frequency but i felt we were much more in tune with each other. However there was this unresolved insecurity that I harboured. She had changed the password on her phone, so i was frequently checking her laptop for evidence. I found nothing and over time began to trust again.

Then suddenly 8 weeks ago when she'd gone away to see her friend abroad, I searched her laptop and discovered an enormous cache of saved texts, photos and videos starting all the way back in 2014 in her dropbox. She obviously exported her whatsapps and hidden them. They detailed in extreme explicit detail her physical infidelity with a man she met at a work xmas party in 2013, 2 years after our wedding, around the time we were trying to concieve our first child. They had sex 4 times, twice in our flat on our couch, and twice at his flat. the last time was 2 weeks after we learned of our pregnancy. It's clear from the texts that she wanted to continue the affair and he tended to go quiet and then come back. There were texts 2 weeks after she gave birth that suggested she wanted to see him but couldn't promise sex as she had endured a very tough childbirth and just wanted to kiss him. There is evidence of her booking a hotel for them 6 months after giving birth but he bottled it and it didn't happen. The texts with this man continued sporadically in 2017, 2019, 2020, 2021 (after the whole sexting was discovered). These sexts are clearly more about reminiscing about the affair for masturbation but they both state a desire to meet up again although it doesn't appear to have ever happened.

There are other chats with other men just after that physical affair fizzled out with a man she slept with an had anal sex and used all the sex toys I didn't know existed at that time in a hotel in 2015 (our child was 6 months old). There are other texts where it's clearly just fantasy and she's using it as an outlet for her secret sexual desires.

Obviously I totally blew up and we've been in trauma and trying to fix ourselves and our relationship since. Lots of therapy. lots of talking and walking and sex. she's completely come clean and takes full responsibility for her actions. She has been patient and resilient to my volatile behaviour since, and is genuinely trying to save our marriage. She recognises that she "compartmentalised" me for years as a DH and kept her sexual activity and urges secret and separate. She didn't feel it would impact on me because she loved me and thought so long as I didn't know it wouldn't affect us. She's now realised that by doing so she alienated me for years and denied me the intimacy I had been craving. She lied and gaslit me and betrayed me horribly.

I want so much to stay with her. I love her immensely. I want her, I'm deeply sexually attracted to her. We have a whole life together including 2 children and I want to get over it and enjoy what has since become a very intimate and loving new relationship. However I still have massive bouts of doubt and anxiety. The fact that she can't explain why this happened (she's going to therapy to try to understand herself better); mean that I find it impossible to move on and heal. I feel i don't know her, i don't know myself, i don't trust any of our memories for the last 9 years including the birth of our children. I'm immediately triggered by any mention of the year that either of our children were born.

Please advise.... How do I move on. Please be kind,

OP posts:
Oblomov23 · 21/05/2023 14:09

Good God, this is so fucked up, and the fact you can't see that is frightening.

Namechang33 · 21/05/2023 14:31

Lili132 · 21/05/2023 10:58

You keep saying you have great relationship except of infidelity and lack of intimacy and I understand that everyone's standards are different but for me it wouldn't be so much about sleeping with other people. It's about deception, broken promises and broken trust which can never be fully repaired after years of cheating. What is the point of the relationship if there is no trust, no reliability?
You might be in love with each other and be "soul mates" but you actually haven't got a solid, respectful love for each other. You didn't value the integrity of your relationship over having flings with other people. Once you cross that line the integrity is gone, the relationship is stained.
The only reason you yourself didn't cheat was because you didn't have an opportunity but you engaged in serious emotional infidelity and would have gone further given a chance.

Your wife's attitude seems extremely problematic and shows some deep issues. It's one thing to cheat in a heat of the moment or to get involved with someone else when relationship is unhappy. It's bad and inexcusable but at least then there is some reasoning behind it. Your wife's "reasons" for cheating sound insane, doing it around your children's births, not knowing why she does what she does - there is so much to unpack here and very little hope that she won't do something stupid again.

I'm sorry but personally I could not live in such a mess and it seems like you both have some serious issue with boundaries.

If you do commit to therapy it would have to be years, not months. And she'll probably need individual therapy too as her behaviour doesn't sound normal and she needs to get to the bottom of it.

I do think it's definitely weird to arrange the affairs just outside of childbirth. It sounds more like a love affair I wonder of the dc are his.

Pesimistic · 21/05/2023 14:42

I think this relationship is done and jas been since ypur wife cheated and you had an emotional affair with the other woman

Whattodo112222 · 21/05/2023 14:52

Another vote for the fact that you should separate. Toxic relationships never stop being toxic. You'd just be brushing it under the carpet.. it'll still be there

Coxspurplepippin · 21/05/2023 14:55

What a romantic story. You should send it to Take a Break.

ittakes2 · 21/05/2023 15:03

I am sorry I am wondering if this very complicated scenario is actually very simply. She clearly loves you - but its very strange that while you were telling her you were craving intimacy - she was seeking sex elsewhere? Sorry if I missed it but what was your relationship like before you married / had kids.

TisTimes · 21/05/2023 15:04

@JojoB1980 You dont know her. You have to accept that. Stop listening to her words to tell you who she is and what she wants and look to her actions to see who she really is.

Its hard. I've been through the same with my soon ex-dh. You need to focus on yourself now and value your own self enough to establish your boundaries. Good luck..

crepedupthestairs · 21/05/2023 15:21

Coxspurplepippin · 21/05/2023 14:55

What a romantic story. You should send it to Take a Break.

Yes. I was reading the OP's first post with Simon Bates 'Our Tune' theme going through my head (for those old enough to remember it)

AussiUnHomme · 21/05/2023 15:40

TooodleOoo · 21/05/2023 13:50

And yet you were on here before you became a mum? It's the name of a website, not a rule to follow.

Your deliberately misunderstanding PP. why do men deliberately choose to post on predominately female sites like MUMSnet when they can go to Reddit, twitter, AskMen or any other forum?

Because this website is for anyone, and the name is just that, a name. Calm yourself love.

PineConeOrDogPoo · 21/05/2023 15:43

OP, It sounds like there have a lot of secrets and withheld information.

In your position I would focus on very slowly eliminating anything that prevents the sharing of information and very gradually but consistently work on the quality and safety of your relationship.

It is likely to take 3-5 years of consistent efforts minimum.

These articles and podcasts are valuable and may help you.

To be Safe You Must Share

Affairs

PineConeOrDogPoo · 21/05/2023 15:45

Also to listen:

Understanding the Other: Intimacy, Self-Esteem.

sunshinesupermum · 21/05/2023 15:51

TBH both your and your wife's view of love is totally weird. For your children's sake split up and don't let them grow up in such a toxic environment.

RedoneP · 21/05/2023 15:52

Lol! I remember that tune 😅

MsFannySqueers · 21/05/2023 15:54

@Coxspurplepippinha ha !😂What a load of tripe OP. Also what’s a side chick?

Ohfgsjon · 21/05/2023 15:59

MsFannySqueers · 21/05/2023 15:54

@Coxspurplepippinha ha !😂What a load of tripe OP. Also what’s a side chick?

She was with a married man.

MsFannySqueers · 21/05/2023 16:01

Ah I see thanks @Ohfgsjon !

truthhurts23 · 21/05/2023 16:11

i dont understand why you are so hurt about her infidelities when you did the same thing to her, you're both as bad as each other

if you want to stay with your wife and she wants to stay with you, just ask her if she wants to have an open marriage
you can both have sex with other people and still stay together, it sounds like an arrangement you would both like

also you might want to get a DNA test for your child/ children
and also get a full sexual health screening

LaviniasBigBloomers · 21/05/2023 16:12

You're both therapising the shit out of this, but it's really simple.

There's no trust left.

So there's no relationship left.

Stop burying the truth under layers and layers of accountability and reflection, make the break and end this miserable relationship. It really doesn't have to be this hard, mate.

truthhurts23 · 21/05/2023 16:13

i also agree with other poster, why do men keep coming on mumsnet, it is a site for women
go on dadsnet

WallaceinAnderland · 21/05/2023 16:25

Your whole life sounds like abject misery. Cut your losses and get out of there.

EllaPaella · 21/05/2023 16:30

Both as bad as each other. There's no mutual respect, no honesty. It sounds like your marriage was over years ago.

RoseThornside · 21/05/2023 16:38

Whole thing sounds revolting. So much focus on sex. She's texting someone two weeks after giving birth and saying she "can't promise sex". Wtf? All anyone seems to want from her is sex.

fdgdfgdfgdfg · 21/05/2023 17:36

She had a 9 year affair for god's sake. She doesn't love you and the sooner you realise that the better.

You'd both be happier outside of this marriage.

Justputitdown · 21/05/2023 18:07

This is some unconvincing, grim, sub-par porn bull shit.

Liv999 · 21/05/2023 18:30

EllaPaella · 21/05/2023 16:30

Both as bad as each other. There's no mutual respect, no honesty. It sounds like your marriage was over years ago.

This