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DW cheated for 9 years. How do I get over it and rebuild?

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JojoB1980 · 20/05/2023 23:12

The last time I posted on MN was in 2017 and I got a really bad reception so please be kind. I've been with my DW 17 years and married for 12 years and have 2 children. Our sex life was great for the first number of years but naturally reduced in frequency especially after marriage. Despite this I felt nothing was wrong as despite it becoming less frequent than I wanted the quality was always great - we always climaxed at the same time (i'd wait for her) and it was obviously very loving and authentic. By the time we had our first child nearly 9 years ago, intimacy had seriously reduced and my sexual advances were fairly consistently rejected. I assumed that despite loving each other wholeheartedly and still both being sexually attracted to each other - that DW simply had a much lower sex drive than me and wasn't at all interested in sex as much as I was. This continued until 2016 when I became more and more frustrated by not just the lack of sex but what I came to feel was a lack of general intimacy between us. I became despondent over time especially when mutual female friends would openly describe their very high sex drive. I felt like very sorry for myself because I still loved her so much but always had a very high sex drive which I assumed was simply incompatible with my DW.

At the end of 2016 I unexpectedly started a sudden infatuation with a beautiful woman who was 12 years younger than me and on our first meeting showed me affection and sexual interest. I immediately felt this sudden explosion of need and desire and realisation of what I'd been missing. We started a two week "affair" which consisted of a few kisses and chats but nothing physical and we both felt extremely anxious and uneasy about it and she ended it. I was heartbroken, not because of any love for her but for the rejection and feeling that I'd lost the one opportunity I'd found for meaningful intimacy. I felt trapped in my marriage to a woman and child I loved intensely but was unfulfilled and frustrated by sexually. I was totally lost and heartbroken and told my wife about it. We went to couples therapy for 3 months where the majority of the discussion seems to centre on DW perception that I didn't contribute equally to household work which turned her off sexually. DW said very little in those sessions. Our communication and appreciation for each other did improve and we resolved to continue our marriage. I subsequently went through what I've since been told was likely 3 years of depression. Our sex life and general intimacy didn't improve and I allowed myself to fixate on the woman that got away; paying for her to move to new zealand, finding her a job, paying her deposit and generally paying to make her dream of emigrating come true just to feel a small sense of validation and acceptance.

What I didn't know was that my wife had been reading my texts and emails for the last 9 months in the belief I was having an affair and never confronted me. Eventually I realised she knew and broke down and explained my heartache of unrequited infatuation. She forgave me instantly and I felt this overwhelming feeling of security and comfort that my DW was the perfect person for me because of the way she handled it. Still the intimacy didn't improve, we had sex less than once a month to the point i started googling definitions for sexless marriage and asking for advice on mumsnet (which was awful, I got crucified).

A few years later I discovered a bag full of dildos and sex toys, and her reaction was horror. I was personally relieved because I felt it meant she did have sexual needs and drive. A while later she called me anxiously to tell me a girlfriend of a man she'd been chatting to on twitter was convinced they were flirting inappropriately and that it was nothing but football banter. The gf called me and I straight out shut her down, absolutely certain that DW simply didn't have that desire or sexual need or drive and that even if she did she'd tell me. a month later I saw the mans name come up on DW phone and opened the chat to find several years thread of extremely graffic sexting. Dick pics and extremely explicit chat going back at least 2 years. I wanted to hold it in but was shocked and frozen and went white and confronted her about it. She claimed it was pure fantasy, like watching porn and was harmless. Again my main feeling was relief that I'd discovered a sexual drive that I could tap into. The one thing that stuck out from the texts was that she'd invited him to our flat for sex and he bottled it and didn't turn up. She claimed that was all heat of the moment fantasy and she would never have gone though with it. She could see how upset I was about the episode so only 2 weeks later I was devastated to find another thread of sexting on her phone with a person she'd previously slept with before our relationship. She was reliving the sordid nature of the sex etc and it totally devastated me. That was in 2020.

Over the following 3 years we started to discuss non monogamy and joined an ENM app. Our sex life immediately went through the roof. We went from having great sex once a month to having extremely gratifying much more adventurous sex about 3 times a day for 3 or 4 months. She was sexting guys on the app and making videos (solo and with me) but she showed it to me whenever I asked and I genuinely wasn't in any way upset or hurt by them because it wasn't in secret and was done in my full knowledge and approval. Suddenly all the activity stopped dead and I asked DW directly to promise me that she hadn't migrated to another channel or platform, I also asked her to tell me if she'd ever slept with anyone else since we began our relationship and she convincingly promise me she hadn't.

Our sex life remained much better for the last 2 years although it did reduce again in frequency but i felt we were much more in tune with each other. However there was this unresolved insecurity that I harboured. She had changed the password on her phone, so i was frequently checking her laptop for evidence. I found nothing and over time began to trust again.

Then suddenly 8 weeks ago when she'd gone away to see her friend abroad, I searched her laptop and discovered an enormous cache of saved texts, photos and videos starting all the way back in 2014 in her dropbox. She obviously exported her whatsapps and hidden them. They detailed in extreme explicit detail her physical infidelity with a man she met at a work xmas party in 2013, 2 years after our wedding, around the time we were trying to concieve our first child. They had sex 4 times, twice in our flat on our couch, and twice at his flat. the last time was 2 weeks after we learned of our pregnancy. It's clear from the texts that she wanted to continue the affair and he tended to go quiet and then come back. There were texts 2 weeks after she gave birth that suggested she wanted to see him but couldn't promise sex as she had endured a very tough childbirth and just wanted to kiss him. There is evidence of her booking a hotel for them 6 months after giving birth but he bottled it and it didn't happen. The texts with this man continued sporadically in 2017, 2019, 2020, 2021 (after the whole sexting was discovered). These sexts are clearly more about reminiscing about the affair for masturbation but they both state a desire to meet up again although it doesn't appear to have ever happened.

There are other chats with other men just after that physical affair fizzled out with a man she slept with an had anal sex and used all the sex toys I didn't know existed at that time in a hotel in 2015 (our child was 6 months old). There are other texts where it's clearly just fantasy and she's using it as an outlet for her secret sexual desires.

Obviously I totally blew up and we've been in trauma and trying to fix ourselves and our relationship since. Lots of therapy. lots of talking and walking and sex. she's completely come clean and takes full responsibility for her actions. She has been patient and resilient to my volatile behaviour since, and is genuinely trying to save our marriage. She recognises that she "compartmentalised" me for years as a DH and kept her sexual activity and urges secret and separate. She didn't feel it would impact on me because she loved me and thought so long as I didn't know it wouldn't affect us. She's now realised that by doing so she alienated me for years and denied me the intimacy I had been craving. She lied and gaslit me and betrayed me horribly.

I want so much to stay with her. I love her immensely. I want her, I'm deeply sexually attracted to her. We have a whole life together including 2 children and I want to get over it and enjoy what has since become a very intimate and loving new relationship. However I still have massive bouts of doubt and anxiety. The fact that she can't explain why this happened (she's going to therapy to try to understand herself better); mean that I find it impossible to move on and heal. I feel i don't know her, i don't know myself, i don't trust any of our memories for the last 9 years including the birth of our children. I'm immediately triggered by any mention of the year that either of our children were born.

Please advise.... How do I move on. Please be kind,

OP posts:
JojoB1980 · 21/05/2023 01:42

@Namechang33 thanks for sharing your experience.

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Namechang33 · 21/05/2023 01:42

Moving forward when you have both cheated , you have to come to the conclusion you won't ever have the traditional monogamous holy perfect marriage. Let go of the pressure to conform. If you can't then it's better off to divorce.

kateislate · 21/05/2023 01:58

We're soul mates and incredible together

You're not incredible together though are you, it just sounds so messy and toxic. You sound decent enough and are clearly very stressed but there just doesn't seem to be any respect in the relationship and what about the kids? It's a bit fucked up for them. Sorry if it sounds blunt, but I think if you can't develop a genuine, respectful and meaningful relationship with each other it's time to get out.

JojoB1980 · 21/05/2023 02:14

@BadNomad thanks for this. DW secret infidelities could well explain why she was so quick to forgive my non physical infatuation; perhaps it was due to guilt. Aside from the fact that my “affair” was not physical it was clear throughout our marriage that I was always sexually attracted to DW and wanted intimacy with her. If I’d had the opportunity to have sex with her 10 times a day I would, so the way I’ve always seen it is that a dalliance born of frustration wouldn’t cause DW to lose self confidence or see herself as unwanted. In her case she didn’t seem to want sex at all so her infidelity hurts so much more because it strongly suggests she doesn’t want me.

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JojoB1980 · 21/05/2023 02:22

@BadNomad actually I did make efforts to contribute more to housework which in fact I always felt i did. Since the discovery she has realised that her compartmentalisation of me lead her to find faults with me and somewhat resent me. She’s realised now that without realising it she became short tempered and intolerant of me and naturally reduced the general intimacy with me without realising or deliberately wanting to.

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JojoB1980 · 21/05/2023 02:26

@Namechang33 actually I believe that if we do manage to stay together that we could and would be monogamous. That’s only if she’s being honest now with me about wanting me. Otherwise it’s possible she’ll just completely go off all sex. I genuinely doubt she’d do anything like this again as the trauma affected her enormously too. I would have no interest in other people so long as I felt wanted and connected with my wife.

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momtoboys · 21/05/2023 02:42

What a bloody mess. I hope some day you find peace.

Runningcrew · 21/05/2023 02:55

JojoB1980 · 21/05/2023 01:03

@joan12 no trauma on either side. Her parents divorced when she was a teenager and her early relationships were ethically unsound as she was effectively the side chick for years. She was then dumped pretty dramatically by her second boyfriend who she felt she completely committed fully and openly to so perhaps those created an unhealthy paradigm for future relationships where she always felt she had to hold something back for herself as self preservation.

You’re contradicting yourself. Parental divorce can be very traumatic for children in their teens and arguably being or feeling used in your early romantic relationships can also be traumatic to an extent. And that’s not to excuse her actions btw, trauma or not her behaviour has completely gross and shows. A lack of respect not only for you but for herself. I’m assuming you’ve both been tested for STDs?

That aside it’s not necessarily love that is keeping you both together. It sounds more like a trauma bond and convenience as well as maybe a sense of duty towards the kids. I always say love is not just a feeling, it’s a verb. Your actions towards one another don’t scream “love” at all. Very dysfunctional and disrespectful state of affairs.

Namechang33 · 21/05/2023 04:15

JojoB1980 · 21/05/2023 02:26

@Namechang33 actually I believe that if we do manage to stay together that we could and would be monogamous. That’s only if she’s being honest now with me about wanting me. Otherwise it’s possible she’ll just completely go off all sex. I genuinely doubt she’d do anything like this again as the trauma affected her enormously too. I would have no interest in other people so long as I felt wanted and connected with my wife.

She does want sex just not with you. Ypu are in hysterical bonding she will go off sex again soon. You need to really get her to open up and be honest is it the actual sex with you or is it attraction.
My DH is attractive , I fancy him but he puts very little effort into intimacy.

BlastedPimples · 21/05/2023 06:35

What a horrible mess of constant lies, deceit and betrayal.

I don't know how either of you can be without anxiety and worry about what misery is coming next caused by such a lack basic decency.

And the obsession with sex is really odd. Neither of you are teenagers yet you go on and on about sex.

I would just divorce. There is nothing here to build on. Shifting sands of lies.

So depressing.

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 21/05/2023 07:04

This whole thing is totally and utterly fucked.

and as for this:

I want so much to stay with her. I love her immensely. I want her, I'm deeply sexually attracted to her

I think you’re just turned on, obsessively, by the fact that other men want her.

As I said, it’s fucked. Your poor children.

Highlighta · 21/05/2023 07:20

You aren't soul mates. You're both proved this by having affairs with others.

You just don't know any life different to this one.

Have all the counseling you like or need, but my concern here is your DC. Can you honestly say you are the best parents to them while they have no choice but to live in this fucked up toxic situation.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 21/05/2023 07:22

JojoB1980

why continue when it’s caused non stop drama and upset and betrayal for years and years ?
surely no love is that great

even the best therapist in the world can’t resolve this and those triggers

You will literally be triggered the whole time ! sounds like hell
he lack of self esteem and ability to even engage with my own memories of the last 10 years make me worry it won’t work

you’d be better off ending this toxicity , the pain of the ending will pass quicker than if you stay

this level of cheating is NOT normal
id also gently question if the kids are yours 😞

GP75 · 21/05/2023 07:33

I honestly think you'd both be happier going separate ways, I can't see how or why you'd want to try fix this toxic relationship 🤷‍♀️

UsethisUsername · 21/05/2023 07:36

I’m sorry OP but it doesn’t sound like she loves you.

I suspect as soon as your children grow up and leave home she’ll leave you. I think she’s staying with you for now because it’s easier than separating.

Don’t settle for being convenient for someone who checked out years ago.

Justalittlebitduckling · 21/05/2023 07:45

I don’t see how there can be any trust left in this marriage or any more going forward and I can’t see how it wouldn’t all happen again. I’m sorry, OP. Even if the sex is ironically now good, there is too much else going on here for you to be partners in a marriage.

larkstar · 21/05/2023 07:48

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Same here..

Seaoftroubles · 21/05/2023 07:52

If this is real (as it reads like a porn ridden drama) then what a horrible mess of a marriage. I feel sorry for your poor kids to have such sex obsessed parents! All you and your wife are focused on is sex, and the level of cheating would be the end for me, no matter how much you are obsessed with her.The whole relationship is toxic and completely unhealthy and l don't think you will ever be able to trust her.
Do yourself a favour and separate asap, and get counselling for yourself too.

Krabappel · 21/05/2023 08:00

Why do men on this site always do these extremely long posts with so much detail?

piedbeauty · 21/05/2023 08:01

Seaoftroubles · 21/05/2023 07:52

If this is real (as it reads like a porn ridden drama) then what a horrible mess of a marriage. I feel sorry for your poor kids to have such sex obsessed parents! All you and your wife are focused on is sex, and the level of cheating would be the end for me, no matter how much you are obsessed with her.The whole relationship is toxic and completely unhealthy and l don't think you will ever be able to trust her.
Do yourself a favour and separate asap, and get counselling for yourself too.

This.

blahblahblah1654 · 21/05/2023 08:09

Krabappel · 21/05/2023 08:00

Why do men on this site always do these extremely long posts with so much detail?

There's been a few different posts like this the last few days. Long essays of badly worded drivel.

itsmylife7 · 21/05/2023 08:14

larkstar · 21/05/2023 07:48

Same here..

Yes pure fantasy.

RedoneP · 21/05/2023 08:37

Excuses are like ar%eholes, everyone has got one. The fact is she cheated. Repeatedly. To say it's because of a ex is ridiculous. She should learn from it and move on, not use it as a poor me excuse.

HelenDenver · 21/05/2023 08:43

“Just because her betrayal was more physical, it doesn't clear you of your wrong doings towards her and your marriage. You need to own that and stop thinking you have the moral higher ground.”

Completely agree with this. You have both betrayed and hurt each other. You do need to accept that there is fault on both sides.

You are understandably focussed on the sex as that is where you feel you lost her. She will be carrying hurt about the infatuation, attention and support to a younger woman, especially as she told you she needed more support domestically.

Gigglemous · 21/05/2023 09:31

So you think both your actions still show you love each other?
So if she chests again it's ok because she loves you because she still wants to stay with you?

Sorry OP but you have a severely warped idea of love and relationships. Neither of you accept that betrayal is unforgiveable because your both guilty of it.

What exactly are you going to teach your children about relationships? That gaslighting eacha other, emotional affairs and ridiculously heavy cheating on your wife's part, is ok? It's fine? If their partners did that one day they should forgive them? If they did that one day its acceptable as long as they go to therapy?

Honestly what is this?
You will ruin your children's lives and warp their ideas of relationships.
The infatuation affair that you had may be something I could forgive (I probably wouldn't because I cant do betrayal). But your wife, and im really sorry to say it like this, was an absolute slag for a decade behind your back. Youre and absolute mug for thinking that's forgivable. Weeks after giving birth. During conception. She doesn't love you, she never will! She just doesn't want to give up the home life!

Honestly this MUST be a joke because this is so fucking ridiculous.