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To those who are ok with their DH's watching porn...

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EverydayIsMercuryRetrograde · 18/05/2023 10:27

How do you feel about your DH using the likes of Twitter/Reddit, to view one particular person (not ‘porn stars’) at a time?

I have a long standing issue with porn and I’d actually posted about porn use on here many years ago as - wrongly or rightly - it’s something that upsets me and messes with my self esteem, partly due to how an ex partners porn use had previously affected and impacted the relationship.

Anyway, I was told back then, and have since read many other similar threads, that when men view porn videos, it’s less the woman’s face/body that they’re focusing on, and more ‘the act itself’. I’ve since spent a lot of time trying to let that message sink in, convince myself that I need to stop comparing myself to all of the women that are a thousand times better looking than I am, and acknowledge that when porn is viewed, it’s nothing more than a quick and easy fix and it’s the actions taking place that essentially ‘serve the purpose’, and not that my DH is captivated by how beautiful their hair is and how perfect their face and make up seems to be.

My issue now is this, while I’d caught DH watching porn (on proper porn sites) a few times in our early years - despite me having had multiple conversations with him about how it effects me - I’ve noticed that over the last couple of years, he’s made the switch from viewing a man and a woman going at it, switching positions, doing their thing etc, to finding an attractive woman on Twitter (the type that have OnlyFans links in their bio to ‘view more content’) and looking at content that way.

These types of accounts show the woman in question usually fully naked or wearing very little, jiggling her boobs or looking seductively in to her phone camera while she licks an ice cream. There aren’t too many ‘acts’ to focus on, as it’s more photo after photo, video after video of a gorgeous woman flaunting how beautiful she is and how flawless her body is too. If you’d like to see her performing ‘acts’, you obviously can as all of these women have links in their bios. But learning that DH is now choosing to get his thrills this way has, for me, thrown a spanner in the works with regards to what I was told men view porn for.

How can it be a simple case of ‘they watch it for the sex, they barely notice the woman’s face’ etc, if he’s JUST looking at photos and videos of her face and body? Surely the fact he’s focusing on the woman, essentially just sitting or standing there looking gorgeous, means that he’s simply getting off on how these women look? And not what they’re doing with another man as I was previously lead to believe?

This next part won’t be relevant to everybody, but I think it’s worth me mentioning as it ties in with how these types of things affect my confidence and insecurities towards my own looks - DH and I are quite alternative in how we look and dress. We have a ‘rock n roll meets skater’ type edge to us, lots of tattoos, piercings, dress in band t-shirts etc etc, most days for the school run I look like I’ve just finished up at a skate park!
Back in the early days when I first realised DH was viewing porn, he was watching women that look ‘similar’ in style to myself, they had a sort of ‘rocky/alternative’ edge to them, but these Twitter and Reddit accounts are the TOTAL opposite. They’re all tanned, have several ml of filler in their lips and cheeks (something DH says he hates!?), not a funky hair colour or crazy tattoo in sight, just designer bikinis that are so small they’re barely worth wearing. If I was to see one of these types of women while out and about (or even on tv), there’s a good chance I’d say to DH ‘wow she’s stunning!’ to which he’d respond something along the lines of ‘ew nah, couldn’t be further from my type. I don’t see what you’re seeing’.

To contrast, I like a man with a full beard, slight dad-bod going on, open flannel shirts with a band t shirt underneath, jeans a little on the baggier side etc, so it’d be like me suddenly seeking out a clean shaven man who spends 7 days a week in the gym, wears jeans a size too small that are rolled up to reveal his sock-less ankles and smart shoes. I just wouldn’t search for or view those types of men, because, well, they’re not my type! They’re the opposite!

I’ve derailed a fair bit, but I did think how the women look was worth bringing up, as the contrast between the way these women look, vs the ones DH used to view is huge, and it's left me wondering whether I'm even still my DH's type!?

But back to my original question - how would it make you feel if your DH stopped watching porn, and was instead viewing individual women on social media that have links to further, accessible solo content?

Do you put it in the same category as regular porn use? Or do you think it’s different?

OP posts:
orangegato · 18/05/2023 10:30

I think it’s one and the same. If the woman has no link to them then let them? It’s about viewing other people so the format I wouldn’t be arsed about.

Although I very chilled and 0% jealous.

EverydayIsMercuryRetrograde · 18/05/2023 10:32

orangegato · 18/05/2023 10:30

I think it’s one and the same. If the woman has no link to them then let them? It’s about viewing other people so the format I wouldn’t be arsed about.

Although I very chilled and 0% jealous.

I think another angle I struggle with is the accessibility of these types of accounts. With a regular video on pornhub, for example - I highly doubt you can contact the actual porn star. With Twitter, you can message them. You can click their links and request further videos etc. It just seems a lot more intimate/involved?

But that's just a side issue, tbh.

OP posts:
orangegato · 18/05/2023 10:35

@EverydayIsMercuryRetrograde aye I suppose, but the women posting things on those accounts probably have an inbox at capacity with thousands upon thousands of messages. They likely don’t do it for the joy they get engaging with blokes, more for the money. I don’t think you have anything to worry about.

Pinkplasticbathcup · 18/05/2023 10:41

I do see where you are coming from, both with the fact that he’s now looking just at women and that they are so different from you.

Personally I would just be glad he’s not delving ever further into more and more extreme porn, but that’s due to personal experience.

Im inclined to think it is that they are different to you, but more in a wanting a bit of variety in his entertainment rather than that’s the sort of woman he now wants in his life. I do think most sensible men do see how high maintenance a woman like that would be!!

Ultjmately you need to talk to him 🤷🏻‍♀️

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 18/05/2023 10:41

Men look at naked women. Look at art history from, well, anywhere and any time.

I wouldn't accept it if the pornography were violent or really depraved (say, bestiality or child abuse images) and would make reports if so. But naked ladies doing dances or having consensual adult sex? Meh. It really, really isn't because he doesn't love or like me. It's like when I fawn over a film star or read a sexy novel. It's fantasy. It's a human drive. It hasn't really got anything to do with my love or attraction for him. And sometimes yeah, you do have a fantasy about something completely different to your real life. That could even be the point!

Men who actually leave evidence in the forms of likes etc are real fucking idiots, though. Do it incognito, you twats!

Obviously it can become a problem, but so can alcohol or spending...it's more about the person and their situation than the thing itself being inherently and inevitably destructive.

Some men prefer home made amateur stuff, partly because they like the raw and ready realism, and partly because they think it's less likely that the woman is being somehow coerced or forced.

YouAreNotBatman · 18/05/2023 10:44

Is this ”just” about looks that you have trouble with?

When it comes to OF, does he pay them, is that a problem?

Tbh, I’m not someone you want any answers from, because I’m not so-called-okey with potential partner watching porn, but my reasons are ethical one’s.

But that been said, him taking you for a fool, is so insulting (the don’t care what they look like, teah right, that’s why most of them are young and cater to male gaze. Or claiming not being attracted to a look when he clearly is.)

You wanted people who are okey with it to answer, so do keep it mind that is going to attract people who are so awesome and uncaring, these answers may not be helpful, while you are hurting.
You don’t have to be cool with porn, or partner watching whatever material he can get his hands on.

baileys6904 · 18/05/2023 10:47

I don't have an issue withporn or reddit or twitter or whatever. They are random people that my OH has no relationship with, or emotional connection or ties to. I like jack grealish, enjoy looking at his tiktok, or insta or half naked pictures of his body etc. Will that make me betray my partner? Absolutely not, even for the man himself.

However my feelings had nothing to do with yours. My relationship is different from yours, my personality is different from yours, my personality and character are different from yours, my life experiences are different from yours. Therefore my feelings should have no bearing on yours. It's upto you and your partner what is acceptable in your relationship, not anyone elses

EverydayIsMercuryRetrograde · 18/05/2023 10:50

It does hurt to see how different they are to not just myself, but also the women he used to view. It's like his taste has suddenly changed over the last 1-2 years?! In my head, I was struggling to compete with the 'alt' models he used to enjoy watching, but I don't have a hope in hell of turning in to some stick thin, massive boobed, filler face woman if that's what he now likes.

I'm not okay with porn, and never will be tbh. But I did want responses from those who say they're fine with porn videos, purely to gauge whether the whole Twitter/Reddit/only fans things falls under the same umbrella of being 'okay'.

To my knowledge, he hasn't paid for any OF content, though tbh, I have no way of knowing for certain. I did see that he was viewing a woman on Instagram, and he clicked on the link in her bio, whether he went on and viewed more stuff, I'll never know.

OP posts:
Annasgirl · 18/05/2023 10:51

Everyone has their own boundaries OP. You told him you didn’t want him watching porn - that is your boundary. He is ignoring your boundary. Everyone deserves to have their boundaries respected in a relationship. Therefore, you do not need to learn to live with this.

It does not matter what anyone else on here does in their relationship- you were honest with him, he doesn’t want to comply- he can therefore move to a different relationship, as can you.

YouAreNotBatman · 18/05/2023 11:00

I'm not okay with porn, and never will be tbh.

And that is okey
It is okey to have that boundary.
And you don’t have to change.

I don’t want to cause more hurt, but if you already talked about this and he knows that you don’t like it and he knows it hurts you, and yet he still keeps watching….
Then that can really only mean that he doesnmt care.
And very unlikely that he will stop, perhaps learn to hide it, but it’s still there

Now you have to figure out how to help yourself, so tht you won’t be getting hurt again and again because of him.
I’m so sorry.

Are you financially dependent on him?

Sadcatface · 18/05/2023 13:17

I think the main issue is that you have explained to him how much this affects you and he still continues, and doesn’t even do you the favour of covering his tracks. What people watch porn for will vary between each individual, but I would lose respect for a partner that followed and interacted with individual online sex workers. They are women all the same, it is no different to interacting with any other woman because she posts seductive images online, even if she doesn’t do it for monetary gain. The view that there is a difference relies on the idea that sex workers are in a different category to other women.

I think there is a difference between this and porn where there is no interaction or sense of an individualised service - however I wouldn’t say one is more okay than the other. Partners should talk about it and respect each others limits on what they are willing to accept.

Chypre · 18/05/2023 13:29

Porn consumption is just on of many facets of sexuality and it's all very complex. This might not be okay with you or affect you in a negative way, but it might be significant part of his sexuality so it also can be turned around that you are the one being unwilling to accept what's important to him etc...
I'm a very boring cis-straight-monogamous woman but sometimes I might watch something quite the opposite. I might watch it couple of times in the row even. Or days. Does it mean I am intending to leave my DH for a green haired gender fluid diamanté covered mermaid? Not really :D

DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder · 18/05/2023 13:35

Does it mean I am intending to leave my DH for a green haired gender fluid diamanté covered mermaid? Not really :D

But if you find her, can you give her my number? 😉

hppo · 18/05/2023 13:42

I'm similar to you OP in that my DP watching porn can make me a bit insecure.
Normal straightforward pornhub I can tolerate and have learned to live with.

Onlyfans etc where they interact is a step too far for me

Hollyppp · 18/05/2023 14:01

Couldn’t care less what my husband does unless he’s actually putting his penis inside someone else

SpareHeirOverThere · 18/05/2023 14:02

How do you know what your dh is watching? Is he watching this stuff where you can also see?

Yes, I'd agree there's a difference between anonymous sex vids and following specific women, perhaps paying for their content.

Also depends how often, where and when he's watching this stuff.

If you did not know he was watching porn, would you be happy with your sex life?

MMmomDD · 18/05/2023 14:18

Personally - if there is regular and good sex life in a relationship - whatever either partner does with solo time doesn’t seem to matter to me (within legal limits, ofc)

If sex in a relationship is replaced by solo pursuits - of any kind really - than of course it’s an issue.

You sound so overly focused on competing with other women for some reason. You do realise women of all shapes and styles are walking around and your H sees them. And humans are sexual beings - so it’s normal to react to sexual imagery and find more than one kind of (wo)man attractive.
Do you really think your H would be so drawn to any image on a screen that he’ll decide to up and leave?

eveoha · 18/05/2023 14:24

……but it’s the objectifying of these real women as ways and means to play out fantasies that for me is untenable - just read some Sliptongue ffs ☘️👍🏿

Opentooffers · 18/05/2023 14:35

I think you are still taunting your ego by comparing yourself. Men tend to get off on visuals, whereas women like to imagine/ daydream - in general, I know we are individuals and don't always align to a stereotype.
So how you explain your taste as attractive involved men with clothes on, which matters less if they have a dad bod and a compatiblepersonality.
If however, you were being purely erotic and visual about it and not thinking in terms of who you'd want as a partner, would you really prefer to look at pictures of naked dad bods on mass, or men who have the body of an adonis? Tbf it would most likely be the latter.
I wouldn't want to date an adonis, but I wouldn't want to look at naked pics of men who don't look fit with their clothes off either. Likewise, your DH probably wouldn't want to date or have sex with these people in reality, but prefers them as a visual fantasy rather than looking at pics of people you would date.
Your DH likes you for lots of reasons, but when it comes down to pure visual fantasy, those reasons aren't required. Just don't compare, it only twists the knife into your ego.

Lemonclub88 · 18/05/2023 14:41

You do know that most images on twitter/reddit are photoshopped to hide any imperfections? They're not real. The women may be real in that they exist and that is their job, but the photos themselves aren't. No point in comparing yourself to a finely tuned image. From what my bf says, "Yes, the photos are hot but then I think, bet she's hard work."

I had to laugh at 'alt image' and 'skate park'. People are allowed to like bits from all sub cultures and 'alt people' are allowed filler and big boobs. What is alt? Am I alt if I wear black? Am I alt if I like guitar music? Am I less alt because I have filler AND make music?

End of the day, they're photos. Make some of your own. Alt ones? You posing legs akimbo on a skateboard perhaps? Make sure you have your fave band tee on. It'd distract him for a bit! 🤣🤣🤣

My opinion. Personally, I'm not interested in watching women with numb nethers getting boned wildly. Makes me laugh. Issues about consent aside.

Pinkbonbon · 18/05/2023 14:47

'I'm not ok with porn and never will be tbh'

Then why are you married to a man who watches it?

It's really that simple op.
All men do not watch porn. Even if they did it doesn't mean you have to be in a relationship where its a factor. You don't agree with it or want it to your life. But because of him,it's so much in your life that it's making you mentally ill.

You're bending and twisting yourself into a gazillion knots. Trying to justify and excuse a behaviour you are not ok with. That's mental.

He certainly would never do the same for you.
Probably rightly so.

And btw, I'd consider his recent move towards following individuals on social media and wanking off to them - cheating. Because that's what it is. He's interacting with them by following their accounts. Not just 'harmlessly' watching a dirty film. That's cheating. And it's messed up.

It doesn't matter why he watches it. The fact us You're not ok with it. So leave.

Pinkbonbon · 18/05/2023 14:53

Ps: men have imaginations just like everyone else. So there's no real excuse to be watching that stuff.

Would it bother me if my partner did or rare occasion without me noticing? Probably not. No ones perfect I guess.

But this guy is so grim that he's literally doing it publicly via social media. So much so that it's giving you a complex.

That's some messed up bs.
Get out of there.

TheoTheopolis23 · 18/05/2023 15:18

How can it be a simple case of ‘they watch it for the sex, they barely notice the woman’s face’ etc.

At the risk of being too blunt; that is bollocks.

I don't know who said it, male or female or both but I find it bollocks.

If course people watch porn for all sorts of reasons/in all sorts of ways but to say that it's only (ever) the sex act is just total crap.

If that was the case there wouldn't be videos on porn sites categorised by the actress. You can search all porn sites by actress, and also by specific looks/physical characteristics. It's usually because they are attracted to her looks (and possibly her "style") that many men search/follow specific actresses (or similar sex workers).

I'm not trying to be offensive, honestly, but I don't know why you believed that.... Oh to now be affected by apparent proof that it's not true

TheoTheopolis23 · 18/05/2023 15:19

*Only to be ..

TheoTheopolis23 · 18/05/2023 15:21

Off that issue; I am ok with any partner watching porn on porn sites (nothing interactive).

I would not feel ok with him looking up models etc on SM and their only fans accounts. Feels a bit too specific and personal and potentially interactive for me.

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