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To those who are ok with their DH's watching porn...

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EverydayIsMercuryRetrograde · 18/05/2023 10:27

How do you feel about your DH using the likes of Twitter/Reddit, to view one particular person (not ‘porn stars’) at a time?

I have a long standing issue with porn and I’d actually posted about porn use on here many years ago as - wrongly or rightly - it’s something that upsets me and messes with my self esteem, partly due to how an ex partners porn use had previously affected and impacted the relationship.

Anyway, I was told back then, and have since read many other similar threads, that when men view porn videos, it’s less the woman’s face/body that they’re focusing on, and more ‘the act itself’. I’ve since spent a lot of time trying to let that message sink in, convince myself that I need to stop comparing myself to all of the women that are a thousand times better looking than I am, and acknowledge that when porn is viewed, it’s nothing more than a quick and easy fix and it’s the actions taking place that essentially ‘serve the purpose’, and not that my DH is captivated by how beautiful their hair is and how perfect their face and make up seems to be.

My issue now is this, while I’d caught DH watching porn (on proper porn sites) a few times in our early years - despite me having had multiple conversations with him about how it effects me - I’ve noticed that over the last couple of years, he’s made the switch from viewing a man and a woman going at it, switching positions, doing their thing etc, to finding an attractive woman on Twitter (the type that have OnlyFans links in their bio to ‘view more content’) and looking at content that way.

These types of accounts show the woman in question usually fully naked or wearing very little, jiggling her boobs or looking seductively in to her phone camera while she licks an ice cream. There aren’t too many ‘acts’ to focus on, as it’s more photo after photo, video after video of a gorgeous woman flaunting how beautiful she is and how flawless her body is too. If you’d like to see her performing ‘acts’, you obviously can as all of these women have links in their bios. But learning that DH is now choosing to get his thrills this way has, for me, thrown a spanner in the works with regards to what I was told men view porn for.

How can it be a simple case of ‘they watch it for the sex, they barely notice the woman’s face’ etc, if he’s JUST looking at photos and videos of her face and body? Surely the fact he’s focusing on the woman, essentially just sitting or standing there looking gorgeous, means that he’s simply getting off on how these women look? And not what they’re doing with another man as I was previously lead to believe?

This next part won’t be relevant to everybody, but I think it’s worth me mentioning as it ties in with how these types of things affect my confidence and insecurities towards my own looks - DH and I are quite alternative in how we look and dress. We have a ‘rock n roll meets skater’ type edge to us, lots of tattoos, piercings, dress in band t-shirts etc etc, most days for the school run I look like I’ve just finished up at a skate park!
Back in the early days when I first realised DH was viewing porn, he was watching women that look ‘similar’ in style to myself, they had a sort of ‘rocky/alternative’ edge to them, but these Twitter and Reddit accounts are the TOTAL opposite. They’re all tanned, have several ml of filler in their lips and cheeks (something DH says he hates!?), not a funky hair colour or crazy tattoo in sight, just designer bikinis that are so small they’re barely worth wearing. If I was to see one of these types of women while out and about (or even on tv), there’s a good chance I’d say to DH ‘wow she’s stunning!’ to which he’d respond something along the lines of ‘ew nah, couldn’t be further from my type. I don’t see what you’re seeing’.

To contrast, I like a man with a full beard, slight dad-bod going on, open flannel shirts with a band t shirt underneath, jeans a little on the baggier side etc, so it’d be like me suddenly seeking out a clean shaven man who spends 7 days a week in the gym, wears jeans a size too small that are rolled up to reveal his sock-less ankles and smart shoes. I just wouldn’t search for or view those types of men, because, well, they’re not my type! They’re the opposite!

I’ve derailed a fair bit, but I did think how the women look was worth bringing up, as the contrast between the way these women look, vs the ones DH used to view is huge, and it's left me wondering whether I'm even still my DH's type!?

But back to my original question - how would it make you feel if your DH stopped watching porn, and was instead viewing individual women on social media that have links to further, accessible solo content?

Do you put it in the same category as regular porn use? Or do you think it’s different?

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TreesAtSea · 18/05/2023 17:56

Pinkbonbon · 18/05/2023 14:47

'I'm not ok with porn and never will be tbh'

Then why are you married to a man who watches it?

It's really that simple op.
All men do not watch porn. Even if they did it doesn't mean you have to be in a relationship where its a factor. You don't agree with it or want it to your life. But because of him,it's so much in your life that it's making you mentally ill.

You're bending and twisting yourself into a gazillion knots. Trying to justify and excuse a behaviour you are not ok with. That's mental.

He certainly would never do the same for you.
Probably rightly so.

And btw, I'd consider his recent move towards following individuals on social media and wanking off to them - cheating. Because that's what it is. He's interacting with them by following their accounts. Not just 'harmlessly' watching a dirty film. That's cheating. And it's messed up.

It doesn't matter why he watches it. The fact us You're not ok with it. So leave.

This

Niceseasidetown · 18/05/2023 17:59

The really pretty girls with great figures and what they call "Godpussy" get the views.

Whoever told you it was the act itself was having a laugh.

Stand up for what you believe.

Landndialamrhf · 18/05/2023 17:59

So you have a massive issue with porn. It greatly damages your self esteem due to past relationship trauma and presumably other insecurities and youve explained this to your husband. You’re also trying to work on it yourself.
but despite knowing how it makes you feel, he still he uses porn so blatantly that you ‘catch’ him and also goes online where he can interact with pornstars and ‘like’ them in a public forum where other people can see who and what he’s liked.

your issue isn’t porn it’s your dh.

Emmamoo89 · 18/05/2023 18:01

Wouldn't bother me. I've watched porn with my partner.

peachicecream · 18/05/2023 18:04

I understand where you're coming from OP. Things like social media/ Only Fans can feel a lot more intimate than watching a video with actors that you can never meet or interact with.

On the flip side, the main issues I have with porn are to do with exploitation of women, and I do wonder whether that is less likely on Only Fans than on the videos you see uploaded to sites like pornhub. I'm not sure, and truth is it's probably a risk either way, but I would have thought videos on pornhub are more likely to potentally feature women who have been abused/ trafficked/ coerced. So that could be something in favour of Only Fans/ social media.

I think the main thing would be whether or not he's actually interacting with them - that would definitely bother me - and also if there was one particular person he became obsessed with, that would bother me too. I would rather there was more distance.

YouTarzan · 18/05/2023 18:09

I haven’t minded at all when exes have watched porn, though the guy I’m currently seeing doesn’t. I watch it myself sometimes. However I really would see a difference between a random film off pornhub, and following the accounts of individual girls on Twitter. It wouldn’t be the looks thing, maybe more that I wouldn’t like the presumed motivation that he sees them as sort of accessible, like they have a ‘connection’, however tenuous.

Bababear987 · 18/05/2023 18:23

I watch porn OP and I sometimes choose men who I would never fancy in real life at all, it means nothing. In fact most of the guys in porn might be "typically aesthetically pleasing" to the porn industry but they're usually vile and it's more the act i watch.

I also change up what type I watch sometimes there are no men at all and I'm not gay but it's the act of pleasure I'm watching not the person acting that I'm attracted to.

Porn is just selfish escapism it means nothing and I know it's hard but I would try not to over think it and possibly work on self esteem.

And i am a very boring suburban woman in her 30s been with my same man for 12years now and we are very happily married. He watches a bit too and i know its literally just one of those things we both do separately for a bit of quick easy relief.

I think as long as your partners watching normal porn (ie not illegal violent demeaning etc) and isn't demanding you watch it to or act out his fantasies then he isn't really doing anything wrong. I know posters have written about it making you uncomfortable and him not respecting that but I still don't get what the big deal is. Unless of course it is impacting your sex life or it is becoming obsessive but if he's just having some me time a few times a week and everything else in your relationship is grand and respectful then is it a hill to die on?

If he had msgd one of them then yes id tear him a new one cause that is crossing a boundary but even then it's just a fantasy. Are you worried he's actually going to cheat or more that it's a knock to your self esteem?

Bababear987 · 18/05/2023 18:28

Ok I've just read your update where he suffers with PE

It is absolutely not ok that you are not getting satisfied- you should be first all the time if that's the case. It's not an excuse in fact he should be making double the effort on you if he know he's a one pump wonder.

Allthecheeseplease · 18/05/2023 18:35

Annasgirl · 18/05/2023 10:51

Everyone has their own boundaries OP. You told him you didn’t want him watching porn - that is your boundary. He is ignoring your boundary. Everyone deserves to have their boundaries respected in a relationship. Therefore, you do not need to learn to live with this.

It does not matter what anyone else on here does in their relationship- you were honest with him, he doesn’t want to comply- he can therefore move to a different relationship, as can you.

Came on to say pretty much this - what other people like/accept doesn't matter. Your boundaries are your own and he's stomping all over them.

Mom2K · 18/05/2023 19:15

But back to my original question - how would it make you feel if your DH stopped watching porn, and was instead viewing individual women on social media that have links to further, accessible solo content?

I wouldn't be with any man that viewed pornography or was constantly ogling women (online or otherwise). It's creepy and perverse. I get It's natural for everyone to notice attractive people and have a glance at them but seeking out visuals and objectifying people to wank over is grim IMO.

ThankmelaterOkay · 18/05/2023 19:18

How would your DH feel if you masturbated to naked men on Reddit etc?

catlady4lyfe · 18/05/2023 20:40

Drip feed omg

Hawkins0001 · 18/05/2023 20:46

Reading with intrigue, I guess for some it's more the art form, similar to the statues in history

MMmomDD · 19/05/2023 08:53

Having seen your update -
you are fixated on a wrong issue in your marriage.

Even if there wasn’t porn - you are married to a selfish man who doesn’t care about your needs. Doesn’t do anything to help his condition, or try to compensate.
He gets his organs and is done.
Porn I couldn’t care about. But this selfishness - is unforgivable.

ChrisTrepidation · 19/05/2023 09:15

I think you would find your self esteem would improve considerably if you got rid of your sleazy, porn hound of a husband.

You do not have to be okay with porn use. You do not have to be okay with your husband disrespecting you in this fashion. He continues to behave in a way which he knows causes deep distress to the woman he claims to love. His need to wank to other woman is greater than his need to not see his wife unhappy.

Most of the responses on this thread are man pandering at their finest. Why the fuck should any woman have to put up with this bullshit?

I will not tolerate porn use in a relationship. Most men do watch it, so I'll probably end up staying single. I'd rather stay single though then spend another second of my life doing the sort of painful mental gymnastics previous partners porn use has caused me.

ChrisTrepidation · 19/05/2023 09:17

And he's shit in bed as well (porn addiction and being a crap shag frequently go together)

Dump him. He'll probably be happier left along undisturbed with his ipad and his right hand.

DIMooney · 19/05/2023 09:41

I think my husband watches porn sometimes, not sure as I don’t check or ask. I watch it sometimes too, separately. It’s difficult to answer about following women on social media as he doesn’t do that, but I think I’d be ok with it up to a point. Dirty messages I wouldn’t be ok with.
I do think it sounds like you need to work on your self esteem, but this porn thing, you don’t like it and you’ve told him, he should respect that. You shouldn’t have to live with something you hate, especially as it affects your self esteem and your sex life. He sounds selfish and clearly doesn’t care about you. That would be enough for me to leave. My husband worships me and is always telling me how much I turn him on. He makes sure I’m satisfied. So I feel
secure in my relationship and porn doesn’t impact us. It does for you, so don’t take this shit!

TreesAtSea · 19/05/2023 10:03

ChrisTrepidation · 19/05/2023 09:15

I think you would find your self esteem would improve considerably if you got rid of your sleazy, porn hound of a husband.

You do not have to be okay with porn use. You do not have to be okay with your husband disrespecting you in this fashion. He continues to behave in a way which he knows causes deep distress to the woman he claims to love. His need to wank to other woman is greater than his need to not see his wife unhappy.

Most of the responses on this thread are man pandering at their finest. Why the fuck should any woman have to put up with this bullshit?

I will not tolerate porn use in a relationship. Most men do watch it, so I'll probably end up staying single. I'd rather stay single though then spend another second of my life doing the sort of painful mental gymnastics previous partners porn use has caused me.

Excellent response

Vikingthings · 19/05/2023 11:20

I'm not bothered by DH watching videos on pornhub. He mostly watches videos of the act itself and its not close ups of anyone's faces.

If he were to use sites like onlyfans or interactive sites then I'd have an issue. I would also find him watching specific models lick ice creams, as you have referenced, concerning.

riotlady · 19/05/2023 11:43

Fine by me, I occasionally look at naked women on Reddit myself. I think sometimes people who don’t like porn read a lot more into the meaning of it than is necessarily there. The fact that I look at women for example, doesn’t mean that I’m not very happy with my husband, secretly wish he had boobs, etc. I just sometimes like to look at jiggly boobs, that’s literally it. You can’t compare what I like to idly scroll at to the very real person I’m head over heels in love with.

User59493 · 19/05/2023 14:07

@riotlady but why dont you look at naked men? Because as a man I would feel less insecure if the woman im with was looking at naked men because I dont have a female body.

But its scary how so many women out here would secretly watch naked women/lesbian porn while in relationships with men. Women seem to be turned on by mens personalities but womens bodies

riotlady · 19/05/2023 14:22

User59493 · 19/05/2023 14:07

@riotlady but why dont you look at naked men? Because as a man I would feel less insecure if the woman im with was looking at naked men because I dont have a female body.

But its scary how so many women out here would secretly watch naked women/lesbian porn while in relationships with men. Women seem to be turned on by mens personalities but womens bodies

Well good thing we’re not married, I suppose! Also I’m bi and my husband is aware, so not exactly “secret”

A lot of porn online isn’t really geared towards the female gaze, most images of men will be made for gay men, for example. That’s partly why I don’t really watch actual porn, because the women don’t look like they’re having any fun and it’s endless blowjobs and cumshots, which is not my cup of tea. Images of guys are either professionally taken super muscle men wielding huge erections, or just individual guys snapping a pic of their dick on the sofa with no thought about it. Neither appeals. But if you can find me a subreddit full of nicely taken images of naked hairy rockers, I will happily wank to that too.

PigeonPigPie · 19/05/2023 14:27

You are allowed to have the boundary of not wanting a partner who looks at porn. In my book it's the same as cheating and so I married a man who agreed with me

Weallgottachangesometime · 19/05/2023 14:30

I used to not be bothered by the idea of my partner watching porn, didn’t think it was a big deal. However my view has changed. To be honest, rightly or wrongly, I find it a bit sad and disgusting. Sad because it’s reducing “sex” down to fake tits, studio, unrealistic scenarios and situations. Disgusting because there are so many ethical issues around it- porn sites not checking age of “actors”, using disturbing contents like father/daughter or just turned 18 and many people involved speak out about how horrific it was after they leave the industry- drugs/ being pressured to do more extreme and violent acts. Yes the whole thing just disgusts me now. I’m sure if there was a truly positive/consensual form of it my mind might change, but generally porn just seem horrific.

So that was a long way to say- I wouldn’t be happy with it at all.

NCNCNC2023 · 19/05/2023 14:35

Some of the bits in your OP I could've written myself (including tattoos/piercings, ha!)

The first time I found out by accident and he promised he wouldn't watch it anymore/if he did he'd tell me etc. This was years ago, didn't have any reason not to trust him.

I noticed he had Reddit on his phone a couple of months ago so just went on it - we have access to each other's phone, often go on social media on each other - we don't have passcodes and it's normal for us to just use whatever phone is nearest to us. He wasn't following anything on Reddit; I don't know what made me look at the history but thought something wasn't quite right and he'd been looking at stuff on there.

For me, this hurt SO much more than the porn because it's more real if that makes sense? Like porn is stuff that wouldn't happen typically irl, but looking at 'real' women really really hurt me. We had our first baby a few months prior and I've been self conscious all my life and this broke me. He'd been looking at it even when I was pregnant.

He said that when we had our first scan is when he stopped and he hadn't looked since, and that he wasn't wanking to the Reddit stuff - it made him feel horrible to look at it but he was addicted to making himself feel shit (he had a really shit upbringing and he actually opened up for the first time and said because things were really good for us, like we'd bought our first house, and he was expecting something to go wrong because it always does so this was how to make himself bad? Not explaining it very well but it kinda made sense).

I think I also felt worse because we had a baby girl. I said to him that these women are someone's daughter and he said he'd stopped looking at it after the first scan because something clicked for him, and then it knocked him sick when he found out we were having a girl at 16 weeks. I couldn't see the dates he'd been looking at stuff so I've no idea if he's telling the truth about when he stopped. He did go to an online sex addiction meeting and said it helped.

For me though I'm not okay. This all came out in March and I still feel awful. I'm so self conscious and I'm much bigger than I was pre pregnancy (I have been even bigger than this but lost it all before getting pregnant) so don't feel myself anyway. I've got PND and haven't been making an effort with makeup etc so seeing that he's been looking at 'real' women who he could've messaged if he had wanted to (inbox was empty but that means shit doesn't it) made me feel more inadequate than I already was feeling. I'm not interested in sex anymore - I'm too in my own head and nothing he says seems genuine even if he is being (which I think deep down he is but it doesn't matter what he says tbh). I'm kind of feel in limbo atm.

Really really hope you're okay xx

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