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Confront the Other Woman?

103 replies

Dubaigirl211 · 12/05/2023 18:25

Hi. Looking for some advice. I discovered my husbands affair a few weeks back.

I'm still not convinced that he's being honest about the extent of the affair (ie says they didn't have sex) or how many times they met up. I believe he didn't have sex with her however I think they went further then he's told me and they've met up more times than he's said.

In order for me to be able to consider reconciling I need to know that I have the truth about the extent of the affair. I don't want explicit details but otherwise I'll continue to drive myself crazy with questions about times he went out / worked late etx.

He won't give me these answers so the only other way I can find out is by contacting her. I've read loads of people say that there's no point as she'll lie just as much however in this situation, she doesn't know that he was married. He just suddenly cut contact with her when I found out.

Anyone been in this situation (ie other woman had no idea he was married) and regretted contacting her or glad they did?

TYSM in advance.

OP posts:
BelieveThemtheFirstTime · 12/05/2023 22:17

You’re naive to think that they didn’t have sex.

Depending on the person and their actions thereafter, it is sometimes possible to work through infidelity, but I’d be done with him as he doesn’t sound remorseful.

I personally wouldn’t bother contacting the OW, but in your case I think you should contact her in to hear the gory details and to help you see through his lies, which will give you the impetus to end it.

ejbaxa · 12/05/2023 22:22

You can’t trust either of them. You will never truly know what happened. You can contact her if you want, but there isn’t much point as you will have no idea whether she’s being truthful.

It’s very likely they had sex. They’re not 13 and meeting up for a snog are they.

greyhairnomore · 12/05/2023 22:32

@Dubaigirl211 I would , but how do you know she will tell you the truth?

Rudolph6 · 12/05/2023 22:51

I have been where you are OP and the gut-wreching feeling of not knowing and wanting to find out everything and it's truly awful so I really feel for what you are going through. Back then when it happened to me I wanted to know everything so to be honest I would say contact the OW because it might get you out of this 'needing to know limbo' that you are in.

Looking back now though, having gone through it I have learned two things: 1.You don't need to know the detail, it doesn't matter, he has cheated, if they didn't have sex they were heading that way and he would have so what does it matter?

  1. If you forgive him it will happen again. He will lose all respect for you and try to hide it better next time. You will waste years trying to get past this and then it will happen again.

Leave him please OP. Your life is short. What would your mum have told you to do? What would you tell your DD / best friend to do? Leave him.

ThreeLocusts · 12/05/2023 22:56

OP if he won't even provide the information you need to move on from this, what is the point in trying?

Even if OW confirmed his version, you would wonder if it's true, and why on earth he couldn't provide reassurance himself.

I'm sorry but I don't see how you can move on in the circumstances. PP is right, he is trying out whether he can get you to shut up and put up. Sorry.

BadNomad · 12/05/2023 23:57

If you don't trust his answers, then you don't trust him. And it doesn't sound like he's doing anything to help you trust him. It's not good. All the relationships that I know of that survived affairs, all involved brutal openness and honesty about what happened. Every question asked was answered, whether it hurt or not. That's how you know you are hopefully getting the truth. Minimising and playing down the extent of it is just further lying.

Aquamarine1029 · 13/05/2023 00:15

Of course they had sex, you're just grasping at straws.

This man is a liar and is only concerned with keeping his easy life. Don't be a chump.

AtrociousCircumstance · 13/05/2023 00:15

Of course they had sex.

Stop torturing yourself and just end this travesty of a relationship. It’s an ugly twisted one which can only continue to undermine your well being and sense of security/self esteem.

GardeningIsNotMe · 13/05/2023 00:21

He has probably contacted OW to tell her exactly what to say should you contact her. Whether she collaborates his story or not you’ll never know the whole truth.

Your DH has strayed. You know that. It’s up to you whether you stay with him or pack his bags. This is between you and him really. He’s the one that has betrayed your trust.

AliceMcK · 13/05/2023 00:30

I wouldn’t be able to help myself, I’d want answers and would definitely contact her. I suppose it would depend on how she is approached. I’d not be aggressive but say look I know you and Bob have been in some kind of relationship, I don’t know if you know but I’m his partner, I need to know what’s gone on please so I can process this.

If you know her and she knows about you both, I’d just say your not interested in fighting with her or going all he’s my man stay the fuck away, you just want to know the truth of the situation.

Obviously she dosnt need to talk to you, but at least you tried. You may come away with the answers you need or not.

Downunderduchess · 13/05/2023 02:03

She doesn’t owe you the truth. Your husband does. If you already know he is lying that’s your answer really. If you decided to forgive & continue with the relationship you would likely be torturing yourself about every little thing he said or did, wondering if he was being honest. Up to you if that’s the life you want.

HappilyContentTheseDays · 13/05/2023 03:07

Well, I would contact the OW if it were me. She may want to talk or she may not but you won't know if you don't try. And if I were the OW, I would talk to the wife and treat her very kindly....why wouldn't I?

I have sort of been in this position. Many years ago I fell for a man who only "discovered" he had a wife after more than a year of being together. We lived a long distance apart and he had a very high powered job, so was always travelling somewhere or another, or was (very genuinely) leading conferences and stuff, so not always available.
We did meet up either at my place in the countryside, or very exclusive hotels and sometimes I stayed at his (very grand) house in London. And admittedly there wasn't much evidence of a wife there, although there were some rooms I didn't go into and it transpired they slept in separate bedrooms, plus she went away on business a lot.

I would have been really grateful if the wife had contacted me and explained the real situation. I actually thought he and I were developing a relationship, not that I was an OW. I wouldn't have lied, I would have answered her questions and asked her some of my own. It would have helped me walk away sooner, and perhaps I wouldn't have been so "messed up" by the whole experience either. Hopefully it would have helped her to assess the true situation from her end, and make the decisions she needed to take.

In my case, I have no idea what he told her. This was many years ago and they are still together now.

Fraaahnces · 13/05/2023 04:41

You already don’t trust what he’s telling you. Intuition is a lot more powerful than we give it credit for. If he is capable of telling you that he loves you while stringing someone else along, do you want to try?

MrsJackWhicher · 13/05/2023 04:48

I was OW till I found out he was married and ended it. The wife tried to contact me but I did not reply or engage. Their drama -not mine.

justprance · 13/05/2023 05:36

I wouldn't contact her. His lack of remorse and transparency is the issue here, not the lack of details.

Without that, there is no healing. You will drive yourself crazy, always doubting and being gaslit.

He is a liar and continues to be so.

Sucks in a row time.

MrsMontyD · 13/05/2023 05:58

My exH told me he hadn't had sex with the OW, but when pushed he admitted that was a lie.

I would be amazed if your DP hadn't slept with the OW, surely that's the main purpose of an affair? I might believe an emotional affair if they work together, maybe. I'd also be amazed if she didn't know he was married, or at least suspected it. I'd be further amazed if he's not been in touch with her.

He's banking on you believing him and at this point you want to believe him and reconcile, but deep down you know he's lying. Listen to your gut feeling it's usually right.

I didn't contact the OW, wouldn't have given her the satisfaction of seeing me upset.

Lots of us have been where you are now, listen to the collective experience.

BitOutOfPractice · 13/05/2023 06:09

In my experience, whatever you find out will only hurt you more and unlikely to be the truth anyway.

Of course she knew he was married. Who told you she didn’t? Your husband?

And yes, they did have sex.

HoppingPavlova · 13/05/2023 06:09

Nope. I was the OW and genuinely had no idea he was married. When I found out I didn’t consider it a ‘me’ problem and would not have believed I had any obligation to tell his wife anything, her problem, not mine and I just wanted to remove myself, would not want to be dragged into it by her! She would have been given extremely short shrift if she contacted me.

SoonToBeinSpotlight · 13/05/2023 07:11

HoppingPavlova · 13/05/2023 06:09

Nope. I was the OW and genuinely had no idea he was married. When I found out I didn’t consider it a ‘me’ problem and would not have believed I had any obligation to tell his wife anything, her problem, not mine and I just wanted to remove myself, would not want to be dragged into it by her! She would have been given extremely short shrift if she contacted me.

I can understand if she approached you aggressively, but otherwise why on earth wouldn't you give another woman, in deep distress, a few moments of your time, if you might empower her to get away from a bastard who has deceived you both, simply by sharing what is true?

Even if her pain had nothing to do with you (Eg if she'd fallen on the street and gashed her knee, as you walked past her), wouldn't you take a few mins to pause, check another woman is ok, and see if you can help at all?

SoonToBeinSpotlight · 13/05/2023 07:19

MrsJackWhicher · 13/05/2023 04:48

I was OW till I found out he was married and ended it. The wife tried to contact me but I did not reply or engage. Their drama -not mine.

Again, really don't understand the lack of compassion... no you don't want to get pulled into drama, but being unwilling to have one conversation, simply to tell the truth, with someone in distress, shock, who is being deceived? I don't get it.

KCIII · 13/05/2023 07:20

OP - how do I say this:

WAKE THE F**K UP WOMAN!

There is no ‘he won’t give me the details’ bollocks. The conversation is we are over unless you tell me the information I want and ONLY then is there a slim chance I don’t kick your lying arse out. Failure to do so will see see your arse out the door even faster.

Why you are tying yourself in knots over whether to get the truth out of her is beyond ridiculous. I’m sorry but reading it is ludicrous. This whole thing is great for him, don’t want to answer a question? Nah, don’t feel like it. Don’t like what the OW tells her? I’ll just lie again anyway. He has all the power as you’ve given it to him. Fuck that - take it back.

I really am sorry despite the shouty capitals letters.

PineConeOrDogPoo · 13/05/2023 07:21

OP
Don't know if this helps but this man's advice is generally excellent.
(The Lizard is our reptilian brain.)

"We betrayed spouses (“BS”) are told all the time…once amends are made, remorse is shown and the wayward spouse is offering transparency and truly wants to work with you to rebuild the marriage, then you (meaning the BS) must now move past it…and move forward"

I hear this advice a lot, and think it doesn’t go deep enough. I think it probably brings up more trouble than it solves. The fun part is to look at how to understand and then deal with affairs from the point of view of the Lizards involved. I will track both. You might call this a Lizard view of Affairs.

Affaired – against Partner

As I see it, in an Affaired-against partner, whom you-all call the BS or Betrayed Spouse or some such terms, their Lizard will start to freak, beginning at the moment of the “discovery.” Lots of stumbling around panic behavior will happen. Lots of Fleeing, Freezing, Submitting, and Fighting. Twill be pretty chaotic for a bit – maybe weeks. But eventually I think two healthy processes will emerge.

In this Affaired-against partner, their image of their past months, maybe of the past years, has been shattered. They know that. Their trust in their partner is gone, and I believe trust perhaps will return solidly in 3 to 5 years, and then only if their partner displays significant change.

Apologies won’t work. While the Affaired-against partner can generously, and perhaps virtuously “forgive,” at best that is a shallow event. Their lizard cannot forget, won’t believe the apology, and will start to plan for the future based on what it now knows. Twill sound something like, “Omigod, I just forgave a, perhaps well intentioned, apologizing liar. What the hell am I doing!”

This first process then will be about the profound shock (Lizard hates shocks). This situation is a betrayal (big surprises) at the Lizard level, all about discovering your partner lying (how much?) or withholding data (how much?). It doesn’t take an affair to kick this process off. Could be many things. That knowledge that your partner can and has lied will never be forgotten. I don’t think it wise to forget it.

I also think this process is wonderful. I think it is earned. It is a huge wake-up call to what I call “blind living”, living out of contact, living in fantasies. Tis about growing up. Hopefully the shock is big enough to truly wake up the Affaired-against partner and never let them go back into dreams-ville.

Once you’ve found your partner has lied or withheld, how do you go about “forgetting” that they have this capacity? Your lizard can’t forget. A Lizardy rule of thumb is, “If you aren’t hearing daily from your partner about the details of their inner world, you are probably heading for trouble.” This is big grown-up stuff.

The second process that kicks off I think emerges from the first. The Affaired-against partner’s Lizard wants to re-establish safety – to have Predictive Information (it just got a big surprise) and a Sense of Control (it just got, “what the hell is going on”, often called Chaos), thus it goes to work. (Lizards never gives up, bless ’em.)

It wants to know how it got to be so surprised. It wants to know how it missed knowing what was going on in their partner. And now it wants to know all about what was/is going on in their partner that made their partner’s behavior (the affair?) logical and predictable. And finally it wants to know why friends didn’t clue them in. In general the Lizard wants to see the “sense” in it all, so as to be able in the future to predict and prevent stuff like this. Tis all about a scared Lizard building safety.

This process will probably involve needing to build terrific communication skills in order to a) overcome whatever foolish communication failures led to the partner’s withholding and b) to facilitate the process of getting and assimilating all this data – past, present, future.

Often this second process starts by lots and lots of questions (always a risky communication tool) directed at the other. “Why did you do that?” “How could you do that?” etc. etc. etc. etc.

Even if the Affairing partner shares all at once (which is extremely unlikely), I fear that will not be enough. The Lizard has lost trust in both the Affairing Partner and it has also lost trust in its host body/mind. It will feel betrayed by both: by the partner and by you – yourself. “I should have known? Why didn’t I see it coming? Why was I so blind?” are questions that beg answers that one cannot get from the Affairing partner.

The Lizardy processes in this Affiared-against partner will reach its conclusion over time, when their Lizard notices that the affairing partner has become, in a significant way, a new person, – such a person to whom an affair makes no sense. This new state includes knowing pretty much what led their partner to the affair and how their partner has since changed their world view. This is certainly not a cosmetic change. Its big. Also necessary is a sense of confidence in the Lizard that its host is no longer blind. That means changes too. And fortunately all for the good.

www.alturtle.com/archives/1331

Savvy25 · 13/05/2023 07:28

I Mean this in the kindest way possible but:

  1. They had sex and you would be naive to think otherwise.
  2. As you didn't swap nuptials with her it's not the OW problem/blame.
  3. If he doesn't even have the decency to tell you the truth even after you caught him, why save your marriage?
AuntMarch · 13/05/2023 08:03

I would find it easier to forgive a purely physical fling over an emotional affair (if I could even forgive either). I don't think finding out any further "truths" here would be of any benefit!

I probably would want her to know he was married though as he has obviously been lying to her too and will likely try and go back to doing so if you do separate or he thinks he can get away with it again.

Carby86 · 13/05/2023 08:31

Having been in your situation (fairly confident they didn't have sex due to the messages I found, but unsure of how far it went) I am going to be brutally honest with you.
If he isn't opening discussing it, being honest, being forthcoming with information, arranging to seek help and support to work through why he made the choice he did, then you can't reconcile.

The person who was unfaithful has to make clear and immediate attempts to rectify it, to show you how much your relationship means. If not, resentment builds, your self worth will lower and you can just never forget how they responded to what they did.
People make mistakes, people are stupid, people get caught up in things and make the wrong choice. But you have to own that mistake, accept what you did and make amends for it. Otherwise, in my opinion, you just aren't really sorry.

I am now 7 years post affair (and I genuinely think it wasn't a long running situation, it was a one off with messages following it), but I am only now at the point where I value myself and realise that the way he responded after I found out killed any chance we had.
We are separating and it's even harder because I don't hate him anymore and he doesn't understand what is happening because it has been so long since the event that he thinks we have moved on from it.

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