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I feel like my home life is crumbling around me

81 replies

WhatTheCup · 17/04/2023 11:20

I have been with DH for 15 years and have two primary aged children. Our relationship has never been great, but after ending a few relatonships in my 20s for various reasons, I thought that maybe I was being too fussy and nobody is perfect, so I settled with my now DH. He doesn't like to not know what's going to happen, likes to have his way, struggles a bit with change and objects to anything that I consider fun. He would be quite happy to have us two sit in front of the telly every evening and the kids on the switch.

I usually back down on everything that doesn't impact the kids. So we live in the same town that he grew up in (I didn't want to live here), I gave up my career to look after the kids (I didn't want kids), he chooses what we have for meals and got quite angry when I tried to meal plan to save money. My life revolves around doing things for the children. The only friends I have here are ones with the same age kids as mine, because I wanted them to have access to friends. I spend my days tidying/cleaning and sorting out general household things. Then I do the school run and spend my evening either helping the oldest with school work or taking them to clubs. I don't have a life outside of them and I was happy with that because I wanted them to have the best possible childhood and I want us to be close. I do get angry with the kids more than he does but that's because he doesn't really interact with them except on his terms. He's usually either at work or watching telly. I'm the one getting them to school and doing the boring things like homework. They see me as the angry one because I actually parent and he only does fun things that he enjoys. All the difficult tasks are left to me. He doesn't get as angry as he naturally would becasue I pacify him.

Yesterday I spent a few hours rearranging the kitching (whie also doing things with the kids) in a way that I thought DH wanted me to. When he went in the kitchen, he told DD that it wasn't at all how he wanted it and she relayed the message to me, while adding "don't argue". I went into the kitchen to have dinner and felt so deflated. He then started nitpicking at what I'd done saying things like "I've already told you not to move these items". I told him to stop being so miserable and then we sat in silence. After we had finished eating, my daughter told me that I started the arguement and why did I have to move the kitchen around when he had already told me not to. I was astounded that she thought that way. I thought that although she has seen us fall out, it was always obvious that he was the grunpy/angry one. She then went on to tell me how I always get my way, for example it's always my music playing in the kitchen (I turn music on and he doesn't, it's not like we argue over it and I win). I know it sounds ridiculous but I felt so betrayed. I was ok to put mysef last and put up with their miserable father if it meant that the kids could have a better life. But they don't see it that way at all. Now I just feel like what's the point? All I've done for them and I'm still the bad guy. He gets to be selfish and grumpy and they still take his side.

I'm miserable being married to him and the only thing I wanted was my relationship with my kids but it turns out that it's him they side with.

OP posts:
Dery · 17/04/2023 14:01

@WhatTheCup - your OP is one of the saddest I’ve ever read. You settled down with a man you didn’t love, had children when you didn’t want children, became an SAHM when you wanted to work and are living with a coercive controller who has decided he’s the boss of the home. What did you learn growing up to make you such a passenger in your own life? None of these decisions were the right decisions for you when you took them. What was causing you to make those decisions? Whatever it was - you’re teaching your daughter that this is what wives and mothers should expect in a relationship and your son is learning that men are bosses in life. This is just awful.

As PP said, your first job is to get back into the workplace so that you start to have some financial independence.

FishChipsMushyPeas · 17/04/2023 14:04

When he went in the kitchen, he told DD that it wasn't at all how he wanted it and she relayed the message to me, while adding "don't argue".
Where were you when this happened? Surely you werent in the room? Does he do this often? Criticise you via the children - I think this is unacceptable.

After we had finished eating, my daughter told me that I started the argument and why did I have to move the kitchen around when he had already told me not to.
Your daughter has been conditioned to assume that you must always be in the wrong. How old is she if you dont mind me asking?

I can totally understand you not wanting to share the parenting with him 50:50 but I am genuinely worried about the impact he may be having on them now.

RideACockHorseToSunburyCross · 17/04/2023 14:09

Get yourself a job asap. Make plans. You deserve much better than this boring grumpy shitbag and so do your kids.

MouzeDanger80 · 17/04/2023 14:21

Stop being so passive !

Get a job PT or FT or 2x PT

Get some hobbies outside the home

Start getting your children & DH to do chores round the home

You need to make some changes

5128gap · 17/04/2023 15:00

Don't feel betrayed by your DD, but do be warned. The child is putting into practise what she has learned. That Dad needs to be pleased and appeased, agreed with and accommodated. That you can criticise mum, because that doesn't matter, she'll still be there for homework, lifts, cooking. So when there's a side to be taken, makes sense to be on dad's.
Its not too late for her to unlearn these things, but you need to make changes sooner rather than later.

dottiedodah · 17/04/2023 15:32

Firstly he is being a Controller.Trying to get your DC on his "side" is damaging them as PP have said.It is difficult to leave a RL like this as he has chipped away at your confidence, and becoming a SAHM has you relying on him for money.Do you have family /friends you could talk to .In a way the fact they live a long way off would help you as you might be able to make a fresh start there.You are still a young woman and have a life waiting to be lived .If you had a good job previously then you may be more employable than you think.Leaving work and moving to his area is never advisable . Can you see if there is a course to get back to work maybe.When DC leave home ,you will be on your own with this miserable man.

Tiny2018 · 17/04/2023 15:32

OP, my ex used to be very similar, relating messages through the kids, walking on eggshells around his moods. As a previous PP said, I used to go off at them quite often as I didn't want to set him off.
I got rid nearly two years ago and the house is now mostly peaceful and harmonious, I love it.

As another poster mentioned though, my teenage daughter basically took on his roll and became abusive towards me, though things are improving now. She got so used to seeing me disrespected, humiliated, taken the piss out of, that she adopted the same mindset after he left. I still have moments of utter disrespect with her now due to this.

I did not help myself whilst with him, turned to binge drinking at weekends and all of the resentment for him that I worked so hard to hurt all week would come out when I'd had some Dutch courage, resulting in me looking like the crazy one.

I do not regret leaving the horrible little cretin of a man one iota. I am naturally a bit if a people pleaser, with a slight rebellious streak, do always knew I would get rid of him eventually. He damaged me and my kids greatly, I am still not the same as I was before meeting him and my eldest us extremely anxious due to constantly waiting for the next row, on the occasions I dared stick up for myself and the kids. It was insidious and horrible.

Get out, if you can.

Opentooffers · 17/04/2023 15:32

I don't get how you were so passive that you had 2 CD and gave up your career despite not wanting DC? That is an odd extreme thing to 'go along with' and probably has some bearing on your unhappiness now.
There's a difference between wanting to be a parent to DC and wanting them to just exist while someone else looks after them, which seems to be your DH's idea of a 'man's role' where DC are concerned.
I'd be inclined to look for part-time work in your situation. It's rare women are SAHM's these days, most people go part time. It keeps you employable in the future if it comes to a split, so you can support yourself.
As far as him complaining over the way you do stuff. Just carry on your way, if he doesn't like it, he can lump it - you are probably main user of the kitchen, so as you want it counts more.
I suspect a lot of arguing centers around him attacking what you do, and you being defensive. Try stopping defending yourself, you don't need to. It's pretty hard to argue on your own if the other isn't biting back, so grey rock him. Don't second guess how he'd like stuff done, you've already found he'd complain regardless, so please yourself with home matters, after all, it's you who is there most.
Your DC will soon enough notice he's the one always complaining if nothing is given back.

billy1966 · 17/04/2023 15:40

arethereanyleftatall · 17/04/2023 12:20

Well what you've got now is showing your two children that a controlling abusive man is acceptable. So your daughter will be in a similar abusive miserable arrangement and your son will be the abuser. And both think that's normal. Like his parents before him. This is far far more damaging to children than anything else. Sure, they might be able to go to tennis lessons when they're teenagers, but ffs, you're setting them up for a shit life. I'm sorry to be harsh because it's not your fault, it's the arsehole you married, but the reality is you're the only one who can change it.

This I'm afraid.

He sounds really awful.

You don't have to leave today, but you need to start seriously planning.

Call Womens aid for support.

mistermagpie · 17/04/2023 15:42

5128gap · 17/04/2023 15:00

Don't feel betrayed by your DD, but do be warned. The child is putting into practise what she has learned. That Dad needs to be pleased and appeased, agreed with and accommodated. That you can criticise mum, because that doesn't matter, she'll still be there for homework, lifts, cooking. So when there's a side to be taken, makes sense to be on dad's.
Its not too late for her to unlearn these things, but you need to make changes sooner rather than later.

You've had lots of good advice OP, but this is the post I would read and read again.

Tiny2018 · 17/04/2023 15:45

role, bury

gamerchick · 17/04/2023 15:49

Your kids side with him because they're scared he'll turn on them. Kids learn from us.

If you keep them in that you'll lose them eventually and they'll tip toe around that fucker all their lives as well as find partners like him or turn into him.. Get those bairns the fuck out of that mess.

CreationNat1on · 17/04/2023 15:52

I think you need to exercise more agency over your life and also own your decisions.

Get back to work, pay for a week long yoga retreat, let him parent the children alone and be real with them.

Train your children that they are not messengers for either him or you, Dad can speak with you directly if he needs to. Don't play those games, set your boundaries. Visit your family when possible.

Illustrate to him and everyone else that you control your life. Take steps to be financially independent.

stayathomer · 17/04/2023 15:57

I know nothing about this sort of thing so would usually not say anything but your daughter basically asking why you upset the peace by doing something everyday is horrible. She’s basically thinking you need to keep everything just so. I have no help I’m afraid but I hope things get better for you all somehow. I think you should reach out to any family and friends- you need a support network x

Comeohsavinglight · 17/04/2023 16:18

It’s easy for people on here to say ‘leave’ but you would if you felt able to.

If you stay you need to build up a life separately from your H.

Don’t be afraid to calmly counter the narrative from your H to your children. They need to know there is another way of understanding what is happening.

As others say, you do need to look at getting back into work. The council has employment support schemes, or look at options for returning to your old career or retraining in a new one.

From people I know in real life, have oversaw credit works well to support people who work and have kids. I know someone who rents, earns 29k and says she gets £800 a month UC on top.

Book a half hour with a solicitor and try to get some indication of what you get in a divorce.

Fully explore all your options, for both staying, staying temporarily and leaving.

Comeohsavinglight · 17/04/2023 16:20

Also, you may be able to get free counselling support from somewhere like Banardoes, or your GP.

I really feel for you OP. It’s not an easy situation you are in. In fact, it’s really tough and lonely.

Fupoffyagrasshole · 17/04/2023 16:23

you have to leave!! honestly it's so toxic!! life shouldn't be like this

TomatoSandwiches · 17/04/2023 16:24

I'd leave them all and have the children every other weekend, get a job, any job and start to rebuild that part of my life tbh.

starsparkle08 · 17/04/2023 16:37

Start putting some money to a side if you can and need to and begin planning to leave . Life won’t get any better sadly

Fupoffyagrasshole · 17/04/2023 16:38

@TomatoSandwiches have to agree with you!

Choice4567 · 17/04/2023 17:04

@WhatTheCup I was like your DD. I never understood why my mum argued back. Or said or did anything that might provoke the shouting. To me at age 8 my system was to shut up and close down when the shouting started so it would stop quicker and I couldn’t understand why my mum wouldn’t do that.

As a grown up now I do understand. But please don’t think she’s betraying you. She’s just trying to survive

ThreeLocusts · 17/04/2023 18:08

Hi OP, I think I'm in a very similar situation to yours. DH does more than yours but picks the nice jobs and deals with uncertainty by criticising and micromanaging me. He dominates interaction with the kids and actively marginalises me if we have conflicts.

Kids see the effect on me - me being tense and getting shouty when he excludes me. They don't notice what he does half as much.

And like you, I feel I can't leave because he has the kids as hostages. He would lie and manipulate with abandon if we split.

This just to say that I understand that LTB is difficult to do in this situation. If you find a way, let me know!

Wishing you calm and strength. xx

Flixon · 17/04/2023 18:17

THIS is what happens when children grow up in a toxic household. This exactly; your sons learn that its ok to treat a woman like this and your daughters learn that this is what they should expect and tolerate.

what are you going to do about it ? It will not improve. if you think finding employment now is hard, it will be harder in another 10 years ... or you could use those years to build a reasonable career ... I'm so sorry for you, its horrible, but you cannot change your husband, only your response to his behaviour. Until now it looks like you have just accepted it - and the results you can see ...

IJustHadToLookHavingReadTheBook · 17/04/2023 18:38

My question is- where are you in all of this? You say you married him because you'd ended several relationships in your 20s and basically didn't know what you wanted... that made sense to me while I assumed that you wanted kids desperately, but you immediately go on to say you didn't want kids. What?! You live where he wanted, gave up your job for kids you didn't want and he did... what? Why? None of this makes any logical sense.

I think that you need to work out what's going on with you as a person (or maybe what happened early on for you) that you seem to think of yourself as irrelevant in your life. And now you seem to have made a bargain that you'll be fine being irrelevant in your own life IF the kids unequivocally always have your back... that that'll have made it all worthwhile. That's entirely unrealistic. They're his kids too and have split loyalties.

You have my sympathy, please don't think that you don't. But you need to find yourself to find your power. Get a hobby, get a job, get a life. There's more to life than this.

Nothingisblackandwhite · 17/04/2023 19:15

thats coercive control and abuse . You need to consider leaving him because although you feel you are making your children happy you are teaching them to actually accept that behaviour . I know it sounds normal but none of what you describe is ok hun