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Family dishonesty (DB and SIL)

58 replies

Eleano · 30/03/2023 13:55

Dear Mumsnet,

Me and my DH had the most amazing wedding. Everything went smoothly except for one thing.

My wedding dress had been promised to me as a gift to keep by my brother's DP and her DM who own a bridal boutique.

This gift which was announced at the time of our engagement over a year and a half ago, was above and beyond my expectations and I was very grateful for it. It was the reason that I was willing to travel to another country where the boutique is based for the fittings and collection. In fact, I travelled for the final fitting and collection just one week before my wedding which was quite stressful.

But all of that didn't matter because I was still really grateful that it was a gift and was willing to put in the extra effort.

On the day of the collection however, when the dress had just been packed into my suitcase, they mentioned in passing that my brother's GF would be taking the dress back with her after the wedding, as though that had been the agreement all along. I didn't react immediately because I was too shocked and because I wanted to doublecheck correspondence and see that they had indeed gifted it to me.

Sure enough when I checked my phone later I found the message where my brother’s GF had announced that her and her DM had decided to gift me a wedding dress to keep because they consider me to be family. I have a screenshot of that. At this point I still didn’t say anything to not create drama just before the wedding.

It’s also worth mentioning that the DM of my brother’s GF (owner of the boutique and designer of the dresses) had imposed specific demands on me regarding photography and social media promotion for the boutique and still wants me to keep that side of the deal.

Additionally, just before I left for the airport to return home the next day, my brother’s GF asked me if I would agree to post the dress back instead so that her luggage wouldn’t be increased and pay for the postage because her family wouldn’t be willing to. That is when I discretely said that I hadn’t budgeted for that cost because the dress had originally been gifted and she replied that she didn’t remember what had been agreed and in any case the dress was part of the new collection so couldn’t be gifted. Funnily enough, I remember clearly a few months before when I asked which collection the dress belonged to that they told me it was part of an old collection they couldn’t even remember. But that is irrelevant since even if it was true they should’ve told me at the time when I selected the dress over a year ago.

As soon as I parted from them I was able to cry the tears I had been holding back which were tears of sadness and anger since I realised that nobody - not even my brother or his GF had my back to tell me the dress had been ungifted and just be open and transparent with me instead of pretending they don’t remember or that it was part of the wrong collection.

The money I paid for the flights had exceeded the cost of hiring a wedding dress in my own country which would have been much easier for me to do. And the stress of travelling just one week before my wedding when I should’ve been at home doing so many other jobs can’t be measured.

It is now nearly one week after the wedding and I haven’t mentioned anything about it yet as I wanted the bubble of the wedding to pass and not taint it with this drama. However, my brother’s GF’s sister who works at the boutique is already questioning why I’m not tagging the brand on a few Instagram posts I reposted from my suppliers and has also today reminded me that they want me to improve their website.

Because of this pushiness and the fact that my brother himself reached out on her behalf to question why I wasn’t doing a better job of promoting the brand on my social media, I feel it is time to address the elephant in the room.

I am almost certain that they aren’t expecting me to say anything because they think I won’t want to rock the boat which is also why they did it in the first place.

My brother has been dishonest in the past too, having taken money from an account which was set up for a family project and using it for his own needs (he apologised after I pushed him to) and I’m pretty sure he’s been dishonest about many other things as well.

His values which are very different to mine make him think that it’s not a bad thing to lie and he seems to think that he gets away with it and nobody notices his dishonesty.

His GF is the same and together they feel they are a power couple - they are very domineering and competitive in group situations.

Me and my DH are down to earth people that don’t like conflict so we have never clashed with them but this seems like a step too far and I’m determined to at least get an honest explanation if I’m to continue having anything to do with them.

I have messaged my brother and asked him to call me to speak privately but he has said that he would rather I just text him because he’s busy. I know that he won’t call me even though I said that a text message wasn’t appropriate for this conversation.

Therefore, my plan is to text him about it and include the screenshot which proves that it had been gifted to me and end by saying that I expect an explanation at the very least especially if the boutique is expecting me to be sharing photographs from the wedding with them.

It is very disappointing because I did think that my relationship with my brother and his GF was improving since they were very excited about the wedding.

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MeMyBooksAndMyCats · 30/03/2023 14:02

I would give two options:

You return the dress, you don't post the photos and you don't give them permission either to post photos.

Or

You keep the dress and in return you will share photos online.

One or the other. Either way your relationship with them is doomed.

ClementWeatherToday · 30/03/2023 14:03

"So are we keeping to the original agreement then, that the dress is a gift as per the below screenshot and I'm promoting the brand? As you'd changed you mind about gifting the dress I'd thought the whole deal was off. Do let me know which option suits you and I'll either start posting and keep the dress or return the dress once I've received the P&P from you."

Bunnyhascovidnoteggs · 30/03/2023 14:04

Send the dress back and do not give their business another thought never mind pics!
Now you know op you can step back from your relationship with them. They sound awful.

whatyoulookingfor · 30/03/2023 14:07

In all honesty while it's a bit shitty, wtf are you going to do with the dress now anyway? I still have mine in the wardrobe taking up space.

Personally, I would not make a fuss that will taint all your memories of the wedding.

AthenaPopodopolous · 30/03/2023 14:11

Just hand the dress back as you won’t wear it again. They obviously the money but they should have tricked you. I hope your brother doesn’t marry into this disingenuous family.

Dontbelieveaword · 30/03/2023 14:24

You obviously don't like or trust your DB or his GF so why did you agree to accept a free dress from them? As you say, it was 'stressful' to keep flying abroad for the fittings, having to deal with people you don't particularly like. Wouldn't it have been easier to hire or buy locally?
And why are you insisting on trying to remedy the situation with your brother, who is so obviously disinterested, when you should be dealing direct with the boutique owner/designer.
Stop running the memories of what you say was a perfect wedding, hand the dress back and start concentrating on enjoying your marriage.

Eleano · 30/03/2023 14:42

P.S: I don't have the dress as she took it with her when she flew back.

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tribpot · 30/03/2023 15:06

It is now nearly one week after the wedding
So you're on your honeymoon or at least in the honeymoon period, why the hell is anyone hassling you about this now?

I would just rebuff all queries about this saying you're taking a break from social media to enjoy your honeymoon.

Then at some future point I think you have two choices:

  1. State that as per their agreement in writing, you had promised positive social media feedback in return for the dress as a gift. They've taken the dress, therefore the agreement is off.
  2. Post lukewarm feedback with as few words as possible and declare a conflict of interest in each one as well e.g. 'thank you to Bridal Company for the loan of the dress, this review is my own' (like people do when they're reviewing books they've been sent for free from publishers).

Either way I hope you'll be able to learn a lesson - that being low-conflict and 'go along to get along' with aggressive people is just a recipe for being hurt. Given the type of people they are, it would have been obvious this came with strings attached even before you started adding up the costs of flights to go for fittings for this 'free' dress. A firm but polite 'no thank you, it doesn't make sense when you consider the flights but it's so generous of you to have offered' at the beginning would have avoided all this.

Your relationship with them improved because they saw a business opportunity from your engagement. Clearly you don't accept anything from them ever again.

Whatever you do, don't let this spoil the early days of your marriage. They've behaved badly and don't give a shit. Don't waste your time on them.

billyt · 30/03/2023 16:22

I'd make sure the lying bastards didn't use your wedding photos as an advert.

Cherrysoup · 30/03/2023 16:23

Don’t send pics, do send the screenshot saying it was a gift and say you’re very disappointed they went back on their word. My cousin turned her wedding dress into her daughter’s first communion dress, seems quite common in my (Catholic) family. I think they’ve been very shit about this.

PennyForearm · 30/03/2023 16:32

Just text your brother…

“Hi Bro, as your girlfriend and her family backtracked on the agreement about my wedding dress, which was that they were giving me the dress to keep, I am not going to promote them on social media, which was my part of the deal. I’m on honeymoon so I won’t be answering any more of their messages about this. The dress has been returned and as far as I’m concerned that’s an end to the matter. Thanks bro!”.

And then block the girlfriends sister.

myheartmyhead · 30/03/2023 16:32

Eleano · 30/03/2023 14:42

P.S: I don't have the dress as she took it with her when she flew back.

In that case you don't tag them. Simple

Eleano · 30/03/2023 16:49

P.P.S: DB and his GF are keen to keep in touch and spend Easter together since they've been left feeling emotional about our newly extended family after the wedding, a sentiment I want to share with them but this situation is holding me back. Trying to figure out how to broach the subject now that they're being so nice. GF has been messaging me about every day trivial things too like we're best friends.

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tribpot · 30/03/2023 16:57

DB and his GF are keen to keep in touch

I have messaged my brother and asked him to call me to speak privately but he has said that he would rather I just text him because he’s busy. I know that he won’t call me

I don't think they are keen to keep in touch. They're just keen to say they are.

Easter is way too soon after your wedding, I think they're testing your boundaries. It's time to start saying no.

Eleano · 30/03/2023 17:04

tribpot · 30/03/2023 16:57

DB and his GF are keen to keep in touch

I have messaged my brother and asked him to call me to speak privately but he has said that he would rather I just text him because he’s busy. I know that he won’t call me

I don't think they are keen to keep in touch. They're just keen to say they are.

Easter is way too soon after your wedding, I think they're testing your boundaries. It's time to start saying no.

@tribpot that is SO interesting because I had a suspicion they were trying to bring us back down to earth in people's eyes after the wedding by spending Easter with them (because they are used to being the centre of attention and we were the centre due to the wedding) which sounds weird but it's similar to what you're saying. So much so that my brother said he would pay money towards our flights which is VERY unlike him. Why are some people like this? Hell bent on being on top? Confused

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NBLarsen · 30/03/2023 17:38

She actually took the dress back?!
In that case I'd say the deal is broken, you will not be using your wedding photos to promote their brand, nor share the photos with them.
If it were me, I'd make sure my social media was set as private then I'd remove all of them from it so that I could share my photos with other friends and family. Then make it clear (by text message, as your brother requested!) that you won't be sending them photos as they broke the agreement by taking your dress back.
I'd also ignore the family Easter nonsense, they are just trying to keep you on side by sucking up to you. Enjoy Easter with your new husband!

Dontbelieveaword · 30/03/2023 17:39

So now you're also planning on accepting money towards flights from a couple you're not particularly fond of? Seriously, is this a joke?
Where will you be staying? Let me guess. In their home abroad, free of charge?
Tell them you're busy enjoying time alone as a newly married couple. And perhaps it might be a good idea to actually spend some time enjoying being a newly married couple rather than obsessing about your DB' and his girlfriend.

Eleano · 30/03/2023 17:44

Dontbelieveaword · 30/03/2023 17:39

So now you're also planning on accepting money towards flights from a couple you're not particularly fond of? Seriously, is this a joke?
Where will you be staying? Let me guess. In their home abroad, free of charge?
Tell them you're busy enjoying time alone as a newly married couple. And perhaps it might be a good idea to actually spend some time enjoying being a newly married couple rather than obsessing about your DB' and his girlfriend.

Who said I would accept? And no you guessed wrong.

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YaWeeFurryBastard · 30/03/2023 17:51

Sounds highly dramatic to be honest.

I think it sounds like a miscommunication, perhaps when they said “gift” you the dress they meant as a gift to wear on the day. I think it’s pretty common for people to sell/not keep their wedding dresses so perhaps they didn’t realise you’d be so attached to keeping it.

Dontbelieveaword · 30/03/2023 17:54

P.P.S: DB and his GF are keen to keep in touch and spend Easter together since they've been left feeling emotional about our newly extended family after the wedding, a sentiment I want to share

Erm, this made by believe you may accept their offer to spend Easter together.
You want to be on friendly enough terms to accept another freebie but you don't want to be friendly enough to promote the last freebie they afforded you?

Honestly, are they that hard up that they're desperate for your promotion? Or are you a mega famous influencer whose followers will rush to go buy a wedding dress from abroad, where they have to be wealthy enough to not only buy the dress but to also afford flights and accommodation to attend fittings?

Eleano · 30/03/2023 17:55

@YaWeeFurryBastard I was not attached to the dress but for all the reasons stated above (eg flying to another country) it would have been good if they kept their word. Also I have a screenshot of the message where they said "yours to keep".

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Dontbelieveaword · 30/03/2023 17:55

YaWeeFurryBastard · 30/03/2023 17:51

Sounds highly dramatic to be honest.

I think it sounds like a miscommunication, perhaps when they said “gift” you the dress they meant as a gift to wear on the day. I think it’s pretty common for people to sell/not keep their wedding dresses so perhaps they didn’t realise you’d be so attached to keeping it.

Maybe that's what she's upset about, not being able to sell the free dress and profit from it somehow. She does love a freebie

Largeflaskoftea · 30/03/2023 17:55

NBLarsen · 30/03/2023 17:38

She actually took the dress back?!
In that case I'd say the deal is broken, you will not be using your wedding photos to promote their brand, nor share the photos with them.
If it were me, I'd make sure my social media was set as private then I'd remove all of them from it so that I could share my photos with other friends and family. Then make it clear (by text message, as your brother requested!) that you won't be sending them photos as they broke the agreement by taking your dress back.
I'd also ignore the family Easter nonsense, they are just trying to keep you on side by sucking up to you. Enjoy Easter with your new husband!

I would do this too.

Eleano · 30/03/2023 17:59

@Dontbelieveaword @Largeflaskoftea Lol I would be staying at my own house there over Easter if I was going to go but since you know me so well please enlighten us further...

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Theunamedcat · 30/03/2023 18:00

Dontbelieveaword · 30/03/2023 17:55

Maybe that's what she's upset about, not being able to sell the free dress and profit from it somehow. She does love a freebie

Does she? I feel I'm missing context here?

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