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Was this cruel or just honest

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AnyaMarx · 20/03/2023 20:46

Back story.
Started seeing a guy last year in may . Not my usual type .
We dated once and I said he was friend zoned . He was studenty, lanky , science teacher type , hippy , unconventional.
He was really quite manipulative and told me that had made him cry because he really liked me etc , and we started hanging out , relationship developed and I really came to like him . The sex was very good . He told me he was diagnosed with ASD as were his kids . I met them . Things were quite intense then one day he just dropped me . Said he realised he didn't actually have any real feelings for me at all and had just craved the comfort and stability of a relationship. He had been using hook up sites and swinging sites previously He was going into therapy And that was that . He got embroiled in another relationship quickly and we stopped any communication. He also told me I wasn't dynamic enough for him and didn't have enough outside interests or enough friends for him to benefit from a relationship with me . This actually hurt me more than I expected.

A year almost on he messaged to say he is newly single and would I like "casual sex" from time to time . That he is reaching out to "nice" people to "have his needs met while he has more therapy and seeks a new relationship!

After picking my jaw up off the floor given the sheer brass neck , I did briefly consider it . (Only because the sex at the time was good and quite eye opening!)

But I sent him a message back saying initially I friend zoned him , and I was seemingly right . That he had misled and used me , and that the more I know the less attractive I find him . I said I think all you need is an alternative to a wank , and I will not be reduced to that . That I am comfortable in my own skin , and that he would actually make my skin crawl now knowing what I know . That I need to find someone attractive to even consider having sex with them , and I do not find him remotely attractive and no - I do not want casual sex from time to time . I find him a turn off .

I am not usually cruel - but he appears to need thing's spelling out on the most basic level there is - as he did with me when telling me his feelings for me were fake and dropping me like a hot brick .

He actually responded with "ok fair enough x". !

I know the bigger person thing to do would have been no response but , he had really hurt my feelings and this felt like insult added to injury.

Ive remained single as I just felt dating was pointless. (I'd had a lot of dates to that point and I then decided to concentrate on myself , my own happiness, hobbies , friends and forget about trying for anything romantic) he really made me question my own life at that point - why wasn't I dynamic, with more hobbies . I had my career , and friends , but he made me feel boring and dull.

Ive worked on this for the past year developing social circles , hobbies , etc .

My previous messages to him (until I asked him what he wanted an why he had got back in touch ) were pleasant and friendly.

But he has wound me up and I couldn't resist telling him a few home truths.

They do say revenge is a dish best served cold . And it actually felt rather good .

OP posts:
Newhousewhodis · 22/03/2023 01:24

Why are you talking about being accused of liking anal sex (which there’s nothing wrong with, btw - consensual sex between adults is consensual sex between adults). What dies that have to do with anything?

Block this idiot (again). If he attempts to contact you again, continue to block him.

If you want a shag, get on the apps and get a shag.

AnyaMarx · 22/03/2023 01:38

Newhousewhodis · 22/03/2023 01:24

Why are you talking about being accused of liking anal sex (which there’s nothing wrong with, btw - consensual sex between adults is consensual sex between adults). What dies that have to do with anything?

Block this idiot (again). If he attempts to contact you again, continue to block him.

If you want a shag, get on the apps and get a shag.

Read the previous replies .

Why don't people read what's been posted ?

Ffs I give in . No I haven't blocked again because I've said what I needed to and I won't be speaking to
Him again . Blocking did no good anyway . I'm just not bothered enough now to reply and he hasn't messaged further . What I said wont have touched the sides . But he's clearly got
The message that I don't want casual sex .

OP posts:
AnyaMarx · 22/03/2023 01:39

This thread has served its use for me so I won't be posting any further .

OP posts:
Newhousewhodis · 22/03/2023 01:44

AnyaMarx · 22/03/2023 01:38

Read the previous replies .

Why don't people read what's been posted ?

Ffs I give in . No I haven't blocked again because I've said what I needed to and I won't be speaking to
Him again . Blocking did no good anyway . I'm just not bothered enough now to reply and he hasn't messaged further . What I said wont have touched the sides . But he's clearly got
The message that I don't want casual sex .

One poster made a joke saying ‘I usually find 'up me bum' makes my eyes pop open a little wider’ early on in the thread. Is that what you’re referring to? Seriously? That’s what you’re choosing to focus on and complain about?

FFS. Good luck.

JudgeRudy · 22/03/2023 02:05

There seems to be a few contradictions in your post, the biggest one being that revenge is a dish best served cold...however you didn't hurt his feelings in the least and that in turn hurt you. Doesn't sound like revenge.
You also say he misled and used you. Sounds like he found you physically attractive and felt comfortable in your company....2 very important qualities for a man, and someone with ASD....but sometime into the relationship he felt you didn't 'stimulate' him and he wasn't even sure what he wanted (swinging, therapy) so ended things. If he'd have wanted to use you he could have carried on.
You initially found him 'geeky' but thought yd give it a try. You enjoyed the sex. I'm pretty surevlooking back you new you weren't compatible long term but you continued because it suited.
Now he's asked you if you're up for some casual fun and you've told him to jog on....so he has.

I really don't think he's done anything 'wrong'. He could have easily done the 'it's not you it's me' speech but he went more down the 'it's no you it's us' path. You've taken this as 'it's not me it's you'. You even say there was truth in what he said. He was just more blunt/honest/forthright.
You see the thing with ASD is that generally statements are merely observations not critiques. You're tall is the same as you're a bit fat. If you take the second as an insult, it's because YOU have judged fat to be a bad thing. The clues were there at day one. No ones in the wrong, you're just not compatible....but hook up with him if you fancy some hot sex....or don't....

JudgeRudy · 22/03/2023 02:44

AnyaMarx · 22/03/2023 01:38

Read the previous replies .

Why don't people read what's been posted ?

Ffs I give in . No I haven't blocked again because I've said what I needed to and I won't be speaking to
Him again . Blocking did no good anyway . I'm just not bothered enough now to reply and he hasn't messaged further . What I said wont have touched the sides . But he's clearly got
The message that I don't want casual sex .

I say this kindly, no one is implying, hinting, asking or caring what sort of sex you had. A poster was just interjecting a bit of humour. She was actually joking about herself.

He was blunt at date one - you made me cry. I like you. You put this down to his autism
He was blunt during the relationship - I like hanging around with you but you don't float my boat - you put this down to him being a user (but it broke your heart)
He was blunt with his request for a fwb deal - you considered it for s second then decided he was a CF for asking do gave him a peace of your mind
He was blunt and told you he wasn't bothered - you are.
However autism friendly you think you are you can't handle this level of bluntness and ultimately rejection. Who knows if this is a feature of his autism or just him. It doesnt really matter.
I wonder if this is even about him or just you reaching a certain age and feeling that you'll never have love and passion together.....ever. You're ex husband gave you 2 children and you can have good memories, this man introduced you to sex and passion but up till then you were fine without it. I think you're angry because you think with a bit of tweaking you could have had a good life together....and he spoilt it, for you and him.
He isn't the man for you and maybe there won't be one. Work out a way to rid yourself of this anger and focus on your own fulfilment.

barmycatmum · 22/03/2023 02:53

Geez, why is everyone being so bitchy? Who peed in your Cheerios, mumsnet ?!

idk. If someone treated me like this, and then had the infernal cheek to write me out of nowhere and say he wanted a shag, I’d be f*cking furious.

sometimes you just need to vent, yeah?

TheAustralian · 22/03/2023 03:26

👏
I think what you did was gold. Who gives a fuck what others would have done. You did what worked for you

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