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Im here for a moan about my miserable DH

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fritterytwit · 12/03/2023 20:24

Im at my wits end with my miserable DH. I don’t know what I want from this post but need a rant. Its semi lighthearted and Im not looking for pity.

I was watching an interview with Amy Winehouse yesterday. She was talking about her boyfriend and said something like “he bursts every bubble that I blow up”. That really struck a chord with me. Any idea I have, he'll dismiss it, whether its for home improvement - he wont like my suggestion (until time passes and he’ll suggest it like it was his idea in the first place), or holidays – he doesn’t like holidaying abroad.
I holiday abroad with friends regularly.

DH is 67, retired, Im 12 years younger and work FT. We have no mortgage or other debts. We are comfortably off. He has a hobby that we both share (motorcycling) and we enjoy a couple of trips away together doing this each year. Said hobby is one of his pet topics of conversation, but not mine as Im not mechanically minded and don’t have his encyclopaedic knowledge of anything on wheels. He’ll talk at me about oil change frequency or suspension or spark plugs and I just zone out after about 15 minutes of monologue and he’ll get all huffy if when I don’t join in. I’ve told him numerous times that he is fully aware that I have nothing to add to a one sided conversation around something I know nothing about. He wont ask anything or engage in anything I might want to talk about.

Currently he’s spending most of his days watching YouTube. He’s spent most of today watching various men talking about 15 minute cities and how councils in some places are going to restrict peoples lives etc. and is now ranting about the restriction it’s going to have on his life. But it wont, firstly because there are no plans to implement this where we live and secondly because he rarely leaves the house anyway unless its for a bike related trip out somewhere or to go to a supermarket a 5 minute drive away. I’ve told him it’s probably going to turn out to be a load of bollocks anyway and he just started shouting me down and that started a row.

I’ll speak to him or ask him something and get no response. He has no hearing problems. He just doesn’t seem to hear me. Or I’ll start speaking and he’ll start talking over me.

He's permanently miserable and catastrophising if even the slightest thing goes wrong. For example, yesterday a bulb went in one of our kitchen lights, his reaction was “everything’s broken or not working properly in this house”. I asked him to name one other thing that wasn’t working and he couldn’t (because everything’s fine). If I leave a cup and a biscuit wrapper on the coffee table, “this place is a tip”, etc. He’ll sit with his head in his hands, sighing until I ask if he’s ok (he’s always OK).
His mother used to do exactly the same thing, the likeness is uncanny. If he gets ill he’ll never take medication but will moan non stop about his symptoms, for example he gets hayfever but wont use antihistamines, wont take a painkiller if he gets a headache, wont see a dentist if he loses a filling, despite paying for dental insurance!

He has absolutely zero IT skills. However, he’s taken on a voluntary role related to his hobby, and he now expects me to deal with replying to emails (he doesn’t even know how to add an attachment to an email, despite me showing him literally hundreds of times ffs) and update his spreadsheets.

He's a complete scruffbag. I’ve seen better dressed scarecrows. He’ll wear the same clothes for days on end. Everything – undies, socks, t-shirt that he’ll sleep in and then wear all day. He only ever wears the same 2 pairs of jeans. For everything. Cycling, gardening, nipping to the shop for milk. He’ll do the gardening and then sit on the couch in the same stuff. I swipe them off the bedroom floor while he’s asleep and put them in the wash. He has one pair of shoes, and they STINK. He wears them for everything. The sole is split and they’re falling apart. He’ll wear clothes until theyre threadbare or fall apart. He seems to think this is some sort of notable achievement. He needs a haircut. He has about 4 a year, I think. Then there’s the near constant farting.

He's at home all day. I’ve never come home from work and had so much as a cup of tea waiting for me. Not once in the 12 years since he retired. He never cooks. He likes plain food – pies, chips, fish fingers, whereas I like something a bit spicier, but I cant cook it for him because he says it makes him ill. He doesn’t drink. We never nip out together for a pint and a glass of wine. We rarely go for meals out because he takes all the shine off that, moaning on and on about where he’ll be able to park and not wanting to get clamped or a parking ticket (parking is abundant and not restricted in our area).

We’ve been together 25 years and he still cant remember what date my birthday is.
I didn’t mention it at all one year, just to see if he’d remember, and I didn’t even get a card from him. He had a go at me for not reminding him. He’ll never just buy me a birthday or Christmas present, just asks me to find something I want and he’ll pay for it. Although having said that last year I did comment on some oven gloves I saw (when we were out at a garden centre with my mum) that I said I liked and he seemed offended on Christmas day when I wasn’t overjoyed with receiving them as my only gift. I organise surprise days out for things he likes doing/seeing and always get him something that I know he’ll like (or needs, like new clothes).

There’s loads more and I could go on all night but Ive probably bored you all already.
Well done if you’ve made it this far. Id like things to change but I don’t know where to start.

OP posts:
Eyerollcentral · 12/03/2023 21:15

fritterytwit · 12/03/2023 21:09

I was unbothered about the wedding really. Saved all the palaver and moaning involved with getting him to buy a new suit, shoes etc. He wouldnt have enjoyed the day anyway. In fairness, he did drop me off and pick me up again.

What’s the point in this post? It’s wound me up just reading about him, he sounds disgusting, boring and tight and then you come back with but I love him. You don’t do anything, you don’t go anywhere. What’s the point in the relationship or the post?

MsPrism · 12/03/2023 21:18

Crikey Op he sounds awful, you deserve so much better. The only thing I can think is that he is probably bored/depressed- will the longer days get him out into the garden and cheer him up? Can you persuade him to build something /a greenhouse, my dad was a bit like your H and growing veg made him really happy.

fritterytwit · 12/03/2023 21:18

The leaving part is quite hard for my conscience, particularly if he were to get ill. He would have no-one else. He was an only child, his mum was an only child so no relatives on her side, His dad had a brother but he and that side of his family are all dead.

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Justforlaffs · 12/03/2023 21:20

fritterytwit · 12/03/2023 21:18

The leaving part is quite hard for my conscience, particularly if he were to get ill. He would have no-one else. He was an only child, his mum was an only child so no relatives on her side, His dad had a brother but he and that side of his family are all dead.

You shouldn't stay with him out of guilt. He isn't a child!

It all sounds utterly, life-suckingly miserable.

JoonT · 12/03/2023 21:21

The one thing I can 100% guarantee is that he won’t change. All the traits you loathe will grow worse. If life has taught me one thing it’s that you are what you are. People do not change. They can make an effort for a few weeks, but they quickly slip back into old patterns.

You need to think hard. Do you really want to be with this man in ten years time? Because if you think he’s miserable now, just wait until he’s 77 and you are mid-60s.

Eyerollcentral · 12/03/2023 21:22

fritterytwit · 12/03/2023 21:18

The leaving part is quite hard for my conscience, particularly if he were to get ill. He would have no-one else. He was an only child, his mum was an only child so no relatives on her side, His dad had a brother but he and that side of his family are all dead.

Yeah you are right. You must sacrifice the rest of his life in utter misery because he has no one else. Are you even married? Sounds like it suits you as much as him OP. Some people like to be stuck in a miserable existence so they can have an excuse not to be happy, not to be in a full relationship. You were only early 30s when you settled for this. There must be some reason why. Do either of you have children?

fritterytwit · 12/03/2023 21:23

We have a greenhouse @MsPrism . He just moans about that too because a lot of stuff died over the cold snap. His passion is his vintage bikes and cars but he just moans about them all the time (he has about a dozen bikes and a couple of cars, so plenty to keep him occupied) because a couple of them need a bit of maintenance, which is something really easy that he can do himself at home, he just moans out of habit now.

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OliveToboogie · 12/03/2023 21:24

Sounds like it is sucking tglhe life out of you. Unless he is seriously depressed no excuse for self Neglect. Wearing same clothes sleeping in them.

Needs to be told to buck up his ideas or I would seriously consider LTB. Life too short to live like this.

LobeliaBaggins · 12/03/2023 21:25

The first time I have said LTB on here but omg leave him.

arethereanyleftatall · 12/03/2023 21:26

Don't divorce him then. Your choice. So, just accept that this is your life for the rest of it.

LobeliaBaggins · 12/03/2023 21:29

Can you afford to live separately? I often think men get really difficult when they get older.

Codlingmoths · 12/03/2023 21:32

Since you don’t want to start by leaving, I’d start nuclear. Leave him a letter before you go to work explaining what’s changing. You’re cooking food you like, you will ignore all misery guts comments, he can wash his own dishes, and if he wants to rant at you so you can’t ignore it you will rant back about his miserable joy sucking life and how it’s doing you in, and how his clothes are disgusting and filthy and how the hell he can call one cup on the table a pigsty when his clothes literally belong in one. Ps - stop talking at me about motorbike maintenance, unless you want to start sitting through hours long documentaries and conversation on quilting<insert relevant topic>. This marriage will be supportive in both directions or not at all, I’m not your support animal.

it’s the only way to go 🤷‍♀️enjoy your spicy stir fry for dinner! Enjoy doing what you enjoy!

RichardsGear · 12/03/2023 21:33

Agree with PP. Things won't change. He won't charge. He's nearly 70; he's not going to change.
So you put up with it, or you be the one to make changes, and by that I obviously mean separate.

Isthisit22 · 12/03/2023 21:37

fritterytwit · 12/03/2023 21:18

The leaving part is quite hard for my conscience, particularly if he were to get ill. He would have no-one else. He was an only child, his mum was an only child so no relatives on her side, His dad had a brother but he and that side of his family are all dead.

But doesn’t he have any responsibility to be a better person? Husband? He only has himself to blame for ending up alone.
Please don’t be a martyr. He would not do the same for you.

LobeliaBaggins · 12/03/2023 21:39

Men would never put up with someone with poor hygiene, who never made an effort and couldn't even be bothered to make a meal when retired.

Mumsanetta · 12/03/2023 21:45

You are absolutely being a martyr and it’s thankless work. Personally, I think you deserve so much more in life and marriage than you currently have or, based on your posts, are striving for. And I say that because absolutely everyone deserves more than an old age bathed in misery.

Jmaho · 12/03/2023 22:06

How utterly depressing.
You're 55. You will hopefully have years ahead of you. Don't waste them on this man

EarthSight · 12/03/2023 22:09

Op, your husband is on the neurotic side. Like a toddler, he is unable (or in his case probably unwilling) to even attempt to self-soothe. What gets me about these people is that if you gave them a magic wand that would make them content for the day, they probably wouldn't use it. They enjoy wallowing in pouting self-pity. Some men even enjoy being perceived as grumpy.

I almost felt sorry for him though that he was trying to talk to you about something he loved, and that by not listening properly you basically deflated his joy. The both of you might have some things in common, but it seems like it isn't enough to satisfy his very narrow interests.

You say you like him OP, but you don't seem to enjoy spending time with him (which should be most of the time, not some of the time). You also don't seem to like what is now his default temperament or personality.

SarahDippity · 12/03/2023 22:12

Has he no friends in real life, even through the hobby? No biker clubs that he can talk spark-plug-language to? Even an online forum?

the 15 minute city thing, sounds like he’s watching stupid videos, and the algorithms will only suggest increasingly stupid / right-wing videos to further make him moany.

BreadInCaptivity · 12/03/2023 22:15

Is this what you want for the rest of your life?

If not, what are YOU going to do to change it other than emulating your husband and moaning at MN for circumstance's you are able to change instead of the parallel of him moaning to you?

You are not old and neither is he in relative terms. I'd be buggered if I'd spend the next 2/3 decades like this.

Frankly it's crunch time. Decide to live like this and make your peace with it or leave.

Perhaps a trial separation might be the catalyst you both need to get out of the dynamic you are in?

category12 · 12/03/2023 22:16

fritterytwit · 12/03/2023 21:18

The leaving part is quite hard for my conscience, particularly if he were to get ill. He would have no-one else. He was an only child, his mum was an only child so no relatives on her side, His dad had a brother but he and that side of his family are all dead.

Oh really, you're looking forward to wiping his arse and caring for him through his old age, being moaned at the whole time?

MumOf2workOptions · 12/03/2023 22:21

fritterytwit · 12/03/2023 20:33

I do like him. Im just sick of his moaning and him being on a permanent downer. I feel like Im trying to jolly him out of it all the time. Good points? Well I suppose there are some but they escape me for now. He's quite handy around the house/garden I suppose.

Life is too short for this
Get rid and leave him to bite someone else

fritterytwit · 12/03/2023 22:22

@SarahDippity he's in a bike club, and a car club, but theres not a lot happening this time of year. they have a monthly club night but he doesnt go to that because, apparently, all they do is moan and don't talk enough about bikes. He doesnt remotely understand computers or online forums. I have shown him and he just said everyone using it was stupid. i suggested an adult education course in computing but he refused. He'd probably be a massive keyboard warrior in any event (one key being jabbed at a time).

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MumOf2workOptions · 12/03/2023 22:22

Bite?
I mean "bore" someone else

He sounds dull as dishwater

LobeliaBaggins · 12/03/2023 22:24

My mum is 77 and knows how to use computers. What does he even do all day?