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Uncovered some truth not sure how to feel about it

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SAH07 · 25/02/2023 05:25

Here I am awake early hours thinking about the events of the past few days not sure how to feels, it helps to write it down. Sorry its long.

Been with DH a long time, 2 teenage children, one with SEN and a new health diagnosis last year that has changed his life and independence and impacted family life.

I recently found a receipt on DH desk for lunch for 2, including 2 glasses of wine near his workplace, something didn't feel right about it, when asked was told it was a male colleagues and he was claiming expenses for it.

This week I'd been using DH ipad for zoom and his ipad beeped late at night with some zoom messages and I looked at them. Until this point I'd not realised there was a messaging service on this so was more intrigued what it was. I saw a message about a social event he was due to attend at the weekend, which he'd told me was a work event but clearly was arranged by his own colleagues in which they would all have to pay. Next day I casually asked about his night out without divulging that I'd read the messages, he swore blind it was paid for by work arranged by a client, he does have to go out with clients a lot, but would never have to pay for this himself. I told him I knew that it wasn't and after probing he confessed that he had lied. I felt so upset, more so because if he lied so convincing about this what else does he lie about. He is away on business at least one night per week. And I've very recently had an operation and my dad has had a stoke. He knew I wouldn't be happy about him going out socially under the circumstances. Too right.

Later that week I'd used his ipad again and just decided to snoop, as something didn't feel right. I found a conversation on zoom between him and a work colleague who I didnt know existed. Lots of banter, slightly flirty, nothing about feelings for each other, but someone that he is sharing lots of personal stuff about our marriage. Someone who he is meeting for lunch. Oh and to throw it in is attractive. I felt sick reading this, he usually tells me about his colleagues, but more so that he struggles to talk to me or show me emotions and yet, he is opening up to this woman I don't know exists .

I confronted him and he told me they are just friends, swears that he only has lunch with her in a group. Etc. I tell him I know of their lunch dates, and that one was arranged whilst I was laying in my hospital bed waiting for my op, a bag of nerves whilst he was sitting next to me. That hurt so much. He is always too busy to take a lunch break with me, but can set aside time for her. When confronted again he confesses that yes he does meet her for lunch. Swears again only friendship. I tell him that she's not a friend because I know nothing of her, and it's an emotional affair. He has shown me full access to other work emails and indeed it does look as though it's not physical. I tell him that whilst now it's emotional it has already crossed the line and is on a slippery slope. He messages her to tell her I've found the messages which are probably inappropriate. She responds apologising and that she doesn't want to upset me and agrees to keep it professional.

I dont know where to go from here. Yes there have been troubles in our marriage, life with DS is incredibly difficult, which puts pressure on us and DH struggles with his mental health. We have talked for hours and it's feels as though we've been able to be honest to each other. But here I am early hours still feeling hurt about the lies, hurt that I didn't know thst DH is even able to open up like that, hurt that someone I don't know has so much insight into our marriage. He tells me he doesn't fancy her, who knows he was so convincing with his lying. I'm not sure how to trust him when he is away.

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Throwncrumbs · 25/02/2023 06:02

I feel for you, been there, stayed, took ages to gain any trust again. Wouldn’t do it again. Good luck

SAH07 · 25/02/2023 06:03

Throwncrumbs · 25/02/2023 06:02

I feel for you, been there, stayed, took ages to gain any trust again. Wouldn’t do it again. Good luck

Were there feelings involved or declarations of love? I cant see any undertones of that in the messaging here but still hurts

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WombatsAndGumTrees · 25/02/2023 06:05

Confiding in someone regarding struggles does build an emotional closeness and bond. When the someone is the opposite sex, there is the potential for it to cross lines. It can creep up subtly.

Your family situation sounds stressful (I know what that's like). DH may need a safe place to let it out. Could he have regular counselling appointments to enable this in a professional space?

It could be this woman is just a sympathetic ear but he's started lying about things, so that's not right and doesn't do anything for trust.

SoCunningYouCanStickATailOnItAndCallItAFox · 25/02/2023 06:20

The trouble is he's betrayed your trust with a series of lies and omissions.
He's had an emotional affair placing the status this person holds in his heart above your own (meeting her but not you, confiding in her but not you, meeting her for fun while you bear up under difficulties at home, sharing personal information about you both with her that you would prefer was private) all in secret.
You don't know where this would have gone off you hadn't found it and can't resist what he says now as he has devalued his own assurances by proving he is happy and willing to give false ones.
You don't know if the promises to keep things professional from this point are genuine or an agreed keep the peace tactic.

However understandable his need for companionship/fun free from the difficulties you are both shouldering at home is, he's just made the whole situation worse because now you don't even have trust as the foundation on which you all stand.
He has jeopardised and deprioritised the very partnership on which your son and other children depends for the stability of their lives.
So it's all messy and self- centred.

He needs to realise the damage he's done to be able to fix it (if he's truly sorry), it's a long road back to rebuild the trust that's been lost and it can only work if both parties are sincere in wanting to do it.

I'm so sorry this has been added to your pile of difficulties. I hope you have real life support for this. 😔

BalloonInvestigator · 25/02/2023 07:00

A recurring theme on these boards! these new work friends are always women, but never 63 year old Maureen with the dodgy knee.......

GoodChat · 25/02/2023 07:12

I would expect him to cancel his weekend event to be honest - and prioritise his family. The fact he hasn't is just another layer of disrespect for me.

SAH07 · 25/02/2023 07:15

WombatsAndGumTrees · 25/02/2023 06:05

Confiding in someone regarding struggles does build an emotional closeness and bond. When the someone is the opposite sex, there is the potential for it to cross lines. It can creep up subtly.

Your family situation sounds stressful (I know what that's like). DH may need a safe place to let it out. Could he have regular counselling appointments to enable this in a professional space?

It could be this woman is just a sympathetic ear but he's started lying about things, so that's not right and doesn't do anything for trust.

He has made contact with a therapist.

I think they both used to talk about their difficulties including both their marriage difficulties. A therapist is more appropriate

I think you are right, I've tried to convey this about the feelings creeping up. I suspect he is just trying to minimise this to not hurt me anymore

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SAH07 · 25/02/2023 07:18

BalloonInvestigator · 25/02/2023 07:00

A recurring theme on these boards! these new work friends are always women, but never 63 year old Maureen with the dodgy knee.......

I said exactly the same to him, funny how you haven't confided in Mavis from accounts, unattractive and grey hair.

I do think men are much more sexually motivated that women and how can it not turn from emotional closeness into something more, presumably the colleague hasn't allowed it

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MessyJ · 25/02/2023 07:26

You clearly don’t trust him if you’re snooping on his iPad then trying to catch him out by pretending you don’t know the answer to the questions you are asking him. Either end the marriage or let him do it when he’s fed up with the games. Up to you.

Hiddenvoice · 25/02/2023 07:28

It sounds like your family is going through a hard time. Your dh needed someone outside of the family to talk to and found this other woman. She detailed her problems so he felt comfortable talking to her . They were emotionally connected and you’ve stopped it before anything could potentially happen. The real issue here is dh needs some support. He needs someone to express his emotions to that is not you. I’d consider talking him into therapy.

I have a male friend who opened up to me about problems in his relationship and problems he had in the past. There was nothing romantic about it. We didn’t meet up as our work schedules were different. He spoke to me at random times of the day, again due to work schedules. The messages were not flirty but his partner was furious that he confided in someone else. She would have been happy if it was another man and not a woman. He did explain that none of his male friends have ever expressed interest in talking like that and quite a few of them are insensitive and would tell him to man up. He now sees a female therapist. He and myself had no plans to start a relationship or an affair. We definitely were not attracted to each other and even though he would complain about his home life, he would feel guilty about it and often explain how much he loved his partner, he just wished things were easier which Is not a bad thing to hope for.

SAH07 · 25/02/2023 07:31

GoodChat · 25/02/2023 07:12

I would expect him to cancel his weekend event to be honest - and prioritise his family. The fact he hasn't is just another layer of disrespect for me.

He did cancel the event, this made me feel bad. I didn't want to be the person to tell him to cancel, but ,after realising how hurt I was he did.

The work colleague would have been there. I was worried that after lots of drinks flowing and their recent emotional closeness that line could have been crossed

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SAH07 · 25/02/2023 07:36

Hiddenvoice · 25/02/2023 07:28

It sounds like your family is going through a hard time. Your dh needed someone outside of the family to talk to and found this other woman. She detailed her problems so he felt comfortable talking to her . They were emotionally connected and you’ve stopped it before anything could potentially happen. The real issue here is dh needs some support. He needs someone to express his emotions to that is not you. I’d consider talking him into therapy.

I have a male friend who opened up to me about problems in his relationship and problems he had in the past. There was nothing romantic about it. We didn’t meet up as our work schedules were different. He spoke to me at random times of the day, again due to work schedules. The messages were not flirty but his partner was furious that he confided in someone else. She would have been happy if it was another man and not a woman. He did explain that none of his male friends have ever expressed interest in talking like that and quite a few of them are insensitive and would tell him to man up. He now sees a female therapist. He and myself had no plans to start a relationship or an affair. We definitely were not attracted to each other and even though he would complain about his home life, he would feel guilty about it and often explain how much he loved his partner, he just wished things were easier which Is not a bad thing to hope for.

Thank you, its good to hear from your perspective. Prior to me finding out about this I have helped him to find a therapist, he appears to have found someone now.

He has had counselling before but l think he just hasn't found the right one or not continued it long enough

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CatherinedeBourgh · 25/02/2023 07:38

At this point it sounds like he just needed a friend and she was there.

Men often struggle to talk about their feelings with other men, women are more likely to be a sympathetic ear. Men often feel like they have to show a strong front in front of other men and of their partner.

I wouldn't have a problem with this, but then I am not the jealous type. Most women are not trying to get into other women's husbands' pants, but most would welcome having a friend at work.

Nowthatlovehasperished · 25/02/2023 07:41

It is an emotional affair and therefore it is a betrayal.

Can you access some couples counselling?

Hiddenvoice · 25/02/2023 07:43

CatherinedeBourgh · 25/02/2023 07:38

At this point it sounds like he just needed a friend and she was there.

Men often struggle to talk about their feelings with other men, women are more likely to be a sympathetic ear. Men often feel like they have to show a strong front in front of other men and of their partner.

I wouldn't have a problem with this, but then I am not the jealous type. Most women are not trying to get into other women's husbands' pants, but most would welcome having a friend at work.

I agree with this completely, my friend confided in me as I happily listened without judgement. I didn’t give him answers as i’m not a therapist.

my dh has previously confided in another woman, again as a friendship thing. I was annoyed he was hiding it but we spoke about it and he continued just to chat to her. He openly told me when he was talking to her and would explain why he was. It then grew into her and her partner meeting up with me and dh. She is his friend but was nice to put a face to the name and get to know her partner too.

You said he seems to now found a new therapist. Sometimes it takes a little while to find someone who works for you. I think some people (not you) expect you to go to therapy and then feel better but it can take a little while to find someone who makes you feel comfortable.

CatherinedeBourgh · 25/02/2023 07:43

I don't get all this stuff about it being an emotional affair. If he was doing this with a man would you think he's gay? If the answer is no, it cannot possibly be an affair of any kind!

An emotional affair involves some sort of declaration of romantic interest between the parties!

namechangeforthisbleep · 25/02/2023 07:48

It's just a friend

MsDogLady · 25/02/2023 07:50

SAH, my heart goes out to you. Your H has indeed been investing in an emotional affair, and you were wise to tackle it.

He has been secretly building an intimate relationship with this OW via deception, frequent contact, lunch dates, emotional openness, and confiding about your personal marital issues. He’s been giving more to her and less to you. Also, another hallmark of EAs is physical attraction, so this practiced liar is lying about not fancying OW.

His stinging betrayal during your vulnerable times and his continuous dishonesty during discovery are quite disturbing, and suggest that he is a poor bet for successful reconciliation. In my view, he needs to experience an effective consequence for his infidelity and disloyalty. If feasible, I would send him away, at least for a while, so he will feel the loss of you.

If you stay with him, he will need to show tremendous remorse to help you heal and restore your trust, and this includes the full story, NC with OW, transparency with devices and passwords, and openness to your anger, tears, and questions. Personally, I would require that he change jobs.

Keep posting for support, SAH. Flowers

WombatsAndGumTrees · 25/02/2023 07:50

The problem wasn't that he had a friend to confide in. I've been that friend many times and it was never a line crossing situation. It became a problem when he lied about where he was going and what he was doing. That's where the trust would get lost for me. Why lie?

BevMarsh · 25/02/2023 07:54

He's not worth you.
Sitting with you whilst you wait for your operation and he's arranging a date!
Really OP, he's not going to change.
How will you ever trust him?. He's away with work one night a week and I'm sorry but I think it will be only a matter of time before he's having a physical affair- if he isn't already.
The fact you found out will only make this forbidden and sorry affair more illicit and attractive.

Hiddenvoice · 25/02/2023 07:59

Just to be a little bit different again here, I had major surgery and my husband was texting a friend. During the texting the arranged a time to meet up. He was texting because he too was nervous. He was scared and needed a distraction bhr didn’t want to tell me he was scared incase it worried me. The friend knew he needed support to to try calm him by giving him something else to focus on. I wasn’t angry about this but I understand where you are coming from as he has hidden it all from you. Tell him that! Explain he should have been honest from the get go and ask why he has lied/ hidden it.
I’ve just commented on another post of a woman who feels she needs to hide bumping into male friends as her dh would get angry. Everyone is telling her that he is slightly abusive. You need to find out why he is hiding it from you! Was he hoping it was going to turn into something more with this woman or was he afraid that toy might get annoyed at him?

chevvyroo · 25/02/2023 08:12

namechangeforthisbleep · 25/02/2023 07:48

It's just a friend

But why all the lies then?

namechangeforthisbleep · 25/02/2023 08:14

@chevvyroo I mean, she's been reading his I pad so I'm guessing he knows she's jealous and felt he had to. Not blaming her but I defo know some men who pretend they don't have friends as it's not worth the agg with jealous types.

Obvs could be wrong. Just my take on it

Justalittlebitduckling · 25/02/2023 08:16

This is so hard because if you hadn’t found the messages and confronted him, and she hadn’t backed off and apologised, it may have developed into an actual affair or maybe not and you have no way of knowing.

If he genuinely understands what he’s done and why you’re upset and you both want the marriage to work I think couples therapy would
help.

GoodChat · 25/02/2023 08:17

@SAH07 oh sorry, I had misunderstood the bit in the OP that said he'd worry when you're away.

It does sound like they've both acknowledged that their relationship has probably crossed a line and I guess now is a case of whether you can move past it. It won't happen overnight and you can change your mind in weeks or months from now.

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