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Uncovered some truth not sure how to feel about it

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SAH07 · 25/02/2023 05:25

Here I am awake early hours thinking about the events of the past few days not sure how to feels, it helps to write it down. Sorry its long.

Been with DH a long time, 2 teenage children, one with SEN and a new health diagnosis last year that has changed his life and independence and impacted family life.

I recently found a receipt on DH desk for lunch for 2, including 2 glasses of wine near his workplace, something didn't feel right about it, when asked was told it was a male colleagues and he was claiming expenses for it.

This week I'd been using DH ipad for zoom and his ipad beeped late at night with some zoom messages and I looked at them. Until this point I'd not realised there was a messaging service on this so was more intrigued what it was. I saw a message about a social event he was due to attend at the weekend, which he'd told me was a work event but clearly was arranged by his own colleagues in which they would all have to pay. Next day I casually asked about his night out without divulging that I'd read the messages, he swore blind it was paid for by work arranged by a client, he does have to go out with clients a lot, but would never have to pay for this himself. I told him I knew that it wasn't and after probing he confessed that he had lied. I felt so upset, more so because if he lied so convincing about this what else does he lie about. He is away on business at least one night per week. And I've very recently had an operation and my dad has had a stoke. He knew I wouldn't be happy about him going out socially under the circumstances. Too right.

Later that week I'd used his ipad again and just decided to snoop, as something didn't feel right. I found a conversation on zoom between him and a work colleague who I didnt know existed. Lots of banter, slightly flirty, nothing about feelings for each other, but someone that he is sharing lots of personal stuff about our marriage. Someone who he is meeting for lunch. Oh and to throw it in is attractive. I felt sick reading this, he usually tells me about his colleagues, but more so that he struggles to talk to me or show me emotions and yet, he is opening up to this woman I don't know exists .

I confronted him and he told me they are just friends, swears that he only has lunch with her in a group. Etc. I tell him I know of their lunch dates, and that one was arranged whilst I was laying in my hospital bed waiting for my op, a bag of nerves whilst he was sitting next to me. That hurt so much. He is always too busy to take a lunch break with me, but can set aside time for her. When confronted again he confesses that yes he does meet her for lunch. Swears again only friendship. I tell him that she's not a friend because I know nothing of her, and it's an emotional affair. He has shown me full access to other work emails and indeed it does look as though it's not physical. I tell him that whilst now it's emotional it has already crossed the line and is on a slippery slope. He messages her to tell her I've found the messages which are probably inappropriate. She responds apologising and that she doesn't want to upset me and agrees to keep it professional.

I dont know where to go from here. Yes there have been troubles in our marriage, life with DS is incredibly difficult, which puts pressure on us and DH struggles with his mental health. We have talked for hours and it's feels as though we've been able to be honest to each other. But here I am early hours still feeling hurt about the lies, hurt that I didn't know thst DH is even able to open up like that, hurt that someone I don't know has so much insight into our marriage. He tells me he doesn't fancy her, who knows he was so convincing with his lying. I'm not sure how to trust him when he is away.

OP posts:
TidyDancer · 25/02/2023 08:20

CatherinedeBourgh · 25/02/2023 07:38

At this point it sounds like he just needed a friend and she was there.

Men often struggle to talk about their feelings with other men, women are more likely to be a sympathetic ear. Men often feel like they have to show a strong front in front of other men and of their partner.

I wouldn't have a problem with this, but then I am not the jealous type. Most women are not trying to get into other women's husbands' pants, but most would welcome having a friend at work.

This is what I felt reading through the whole thing. The only thing I can see the DH has actually done wrong is not be straight up about it all which might just be because he suspected the reaction he would get. Which given the OP has repeatedly snooped and then tricked him into confessing would rather prove his point. I'm not sure I would've been honest in his position.

I'm not sure that the indignant 'too right' at the suggestion he would do anything other than cancel his evening out is warranted. Just because he's away on business one night a week means he wouldn't be able to socialise with his colleagues another night?

Sorry OP, unless you have other reasons to distrust him, I'm just not seeing why this has been blown up.

FebName · 25/02/2023 08:28

MsDogLady · 25/02/2023 07:50

SAH, my heart goes out to you. Your H has indeed been investing in an emotional affair, and you were wise to tackle it.

He has been secretly building an intimate relationship with this OW via deception, frequent contact, lunch dates, emotional openness, and confiding about your personal marital issues. He’s been giving more to her and less to you. Also, another hallmark of EAs is physical attraction, so this practiced liar is lying about not fancying OW.

His stinging betrayal during your vulnerable times and his continuous dishonesty during discovery are quite disturbing, and suggest that he is a poor bet for successful reconciliation. In my view, he needs to experience an effective consequence for his infidelity and disloyalty. If feasible, I would send him away, at least for a while, so he will feel the loss of you.

If you stay with him, he will need to show tremendous remorse to help you heal and restore your trust, and this includes the full story, NC with OW, transparency with devices and passwords, and openness to your anger, tears, and questions. Personally, I would require that he change jobs.

Keep posting for support, SAH. Flowers

This is spot on!!

Sadly the lying is the hardest part to swallow, he is such a good liar how will you be able to trust him ever again.

I believe once a liar always a liar.

I'm so sorry OP. What a mess. :(

perfectcolourfound · 25/02/2023 08:31

To those saying she's just a friend....

Usually your OH knows about your friends. You don't lie to your OH about seeing your friends. You don't have lunchtime meets with wine with friends, whilst telling your wife you haven't got time for lunch. You don't lie to your wife about going to parties with friends, pretening it's a work thing.

This has clearly strayed in to EA. The minute he lied / deliberately withheld information (and he has outright lied) he was in the wrong and this relationship was potentially dangerous.

And if it was an innocent friendship, he wouldn't have told her you'd found the messages and thought something was going on. That would have been embarassing. The fact he told her you'd found the messages and weren't happy - that was him saying to her 'I want to keep going with our r'ship but my wife won't let me'. It's really disployal of him.

WombatsAndGumTrees · 25/02/2023 08:34

OP, when the woman apologised, what was she apologising for? Was it more, "Sorry we got too close," or, "Sorry you were uncomfortable with what was shared." That might shed some light.

I think you can come back from this but DH is going to have to work to build trust and accountability. That's what happens when you lie.

SAH07 · 25/02/2023 08:34

namechangeforthisbleep · 25/02/2023 08:14

@chevvyroo I mean, she's been reading his I pad so I'm guessing he knows she's jealous and felt he had to. Not blaming her but I defo know some men who pretend they don't have friends as it's not worth the agg with jealous types.

Obvs could be wrong. Just my take on it

I'm really not the jealous type. We both have our own friends and interests. He is our regularly with lots of friends, i never question where is he, and simialarly im the same. He has other female colleagues he tells me about, their lives etc. We've met socially and been to our wedding. One female colleague even picked his wedding gift jewellery for me.

His excuse for lying about her is that he has told her lots of personal information and he feels uncomfortable and knows if he told me this it might upset me. He also thought he may have overshared personal information

OP posts:
SAH07 · 25/02/2023 08:36

WombatsAndGumTrees · 25/02/2023 08:34

OP, when the woman apologised, what was she apologising for? Was it more, "Sorry we got too close," or, "Sorry you were uncomfortable with what was shared." That might shed some light.

I think you can come back from this but DH is going to have to work to build trust and accountability. That's what happens when you lie.

The text she sent to him

"I’m so sorry ! I don’t know what to say I feel absolutely awful. Of course I won’t contact you anymore. I wish there was something I could do to fix everything. I really hope she understands everything has been just friends talking and yes probably over stepping the boundaries but really nothing in It for SAH07 to be concerned about at all. I’m so so sorry. I really hope you can sort things out.

OP posts:
Hiddenvoice · 25/02/2023 08:39

To be honest her reply to me seems genuine. In the past I’ve found my ex messaging another girl and her reply was completely different.

I still think he was confiding in her and worrying about how you would react to it. He’s clearly told her some things about your relationship that you wouldn’t be happy about.
Shes agreed it’s probably overstepped the boundaries as it’s been hidden about. Did you see the message he sent to her before she sent this?

WombatsAndGumTrees · 25/02/2023 08:39

SAH07 · 25/02/2023 08:36

The text she sent to him

"I’m so sorry ! I don’t know what to say I feel absolutely awful. Of course I won’t contact you anymore. I wish there was something I could do to fix everything. I really hope she understands everything has been just friends talking and yes probably over stepping the boundaries but really nothing in It for SAH07 to be concerned about at all. I’m so so sorry. I really hope you can sort things out.

I'd be finding out what the 'overstepping boundaries' bit is about. Is it just oversharing personal info? Or is it flirtation that crossed a line? Or something else? The rest sounds benign.

CleaningOutMyCloset · 25/02/2023 08:41

The issue with him using this person as a sounding board is that he lied about it, he's used all the tricks in the book that you would with an affair. Not telling you about this colleague, lying about it being company do's, lying about meeting her for lunch, the only difference is it's not got physical yet. But with emotional and physical affairs it's more about the lies and deceit than they actual physical act.

We downplay emotional affairs because it hasnt got physical, but in my experience they are just as hurtful and damaging as the physical ones. You suddenly realise your dh capacity for deceit and the fact he's willing to hurt you so badly to carry on doing what he's been doing. He really needs to understand this. Yes, he, like you and your family, are going through a hard time, but he chose to do this, you didn't go leaning on John Smith down the road, met him in secret for a nice romantic dinner, to help you get through it.

Dreamsy · 25/02/2023 08:49

TidyDancer · 25/02/2023 08:20

This is what I felt reading through the whole thing. The only thing I can see the DH has actually done wrong is not be straight up about it all which might just be because he suspected the reaction he would get. Which given the OP has repeatedly snooped and then tricked him into confessing would rather prove his point. I'm not sure I would've been honest in his position.

I'm not sure that the indignant 'too right' at the suggestion he would do anything other than cancel his evening out is warranted. Just because he's away on business one night a week means he wouldn't be able to socialise with his colleagues another night?

Sorry OP, unless you have other reasons to distrust him, I'm just not seeing why this has been blown up.

Completely agree with PP!

SAH07 · 25/02/2023 09:06

Hiddenvoice · 25/02/2023 08:39

To be honest her reply to me seems genuine. In the past I’ve found my ex messaging another girl and her reply was completely different.

I still think he was confiding in her and worrying about how you would react to it. He’s clearly told her some things about your relationship that you wouldn’t be happy about.
Shes agreed it’s probably overstepped the boundaries as it’s been hidden about. Did you see the message he sent to her before she sent this?

Yes, he showed it to me. He told her that I'd seen the messages, and when he'd read them back he could see how it would have looked to me and have upset me. He told her he'd probably told her too much and he was sorry for getting her involved.

When I've re read the messages, it can be read as a friendship, he uses similar language as he does with his male friends, I was shocked to see that he was going for lunch with someone I didn't know existed and realised the receipt was their lunch

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WombatsAndGumTrees · 25/02/2023 09:08

It sounds like you believe him and he's been open (now) about it, shown you everything. If you feel reassured it might be good to have a discussion around boundaries going forward. Also, if he has to earn some trust back because of lying, he'll have to accept that. (I admit I have a real 'thing' about lying).

LoekMa · 25/02/2023 09:15

I was worried that after lots of drinks flowing and their recent emotional closeness that line could have been crossed

So the only thing keeping him faithful is s lack of access to Alcohol?

I think you know your marital problems are deeper than that

determinedtomakethiswork · 25/02/2023 09:17

MessyJ · 25/02/2023 07:26

You clearly don’t trust him if you’re snooping on his iPad then trying to catch him out by pretending you don’t know the answer to the questions you are asking him. Either end the marriage or let him do it when he’s fed up with the games. Up to you.

So you think this is her fault?

Pickledprune · 25/02/2023 10:24

I've been going through similar huge hugs OP. Xx

MessyJ · 25/02/2023 10:35

determinedtomakethiswork · 25/02/2023 09:17

So you think this is her fault?

That’s quite a reach! Nothing better to do today than try and start an argument with a stranger on a parenting forum? Or are you trying to make the OP doubt herself?

Channellingsophistication · 25/02/2023 11:05

It’s the lying about it that is the worry. I know the weekend was cancelled but do you know what it was exactly and who was going to be there…

Men certainly find it much more difficult talking about their feelings and I think possibly it is easier to talk to a woman. Men rarely talk to each other about personal stuff. Clearly you have a lot of family pressure which has been hard for you both so I can understand the need for sharing feelings

my DP has lied over things, and it’s a real struggle to trust again….

SaturdayFatterDay · 25/02/2023 11:06

I'm so sorry to hear about this disruption. I found myself in the same place about 4 yrs ago.

Amazing husband, beautiful young children and both of us had successful careers. I never felt anything but the centre of his attention and we were (I thought) in the ideal marriage. No arguing, decent sex life, happy wider families. One day I found messages between him and a colleague which he had been deleting it turned out. Nothing out, just mildly flirty and familiar. He had never mentioned her once, despite sat next to achother at work for a few years - he had talked about all other colleagues. They were just feeding eachothers ego.

I was devastated and couldn't get over the deceit. For others this might have been Nothing, but as my relationship was founded on trust I couldn't get past it. It took me 18 months to realise that and every day was excruciating for us both and hurt our children. I'm filled with regret both about his actions, all the continued lying afterwards, how I handled it and how the situation has panned out today.

Maybe take some time and space for yourself, emotionally and physically if this is possible. Ride the roller coaster of feelings as it will be hard to make decisions at this point. When you feel more stabilised, act then.

For me, the second I found out I knew I couldn't accept it as it shattered the innocence of our relationship. I'm now a lot more pragmatic about relationships and what people can reasonably give, but cynicism is a sad thing. Sending a big hug to you OP.

Rose424 · 25/02/2023 11:16

Many years ago I had an emotional affair with a man who had a long-term girlfriend. It went on for about a year. We would text mainly. One day I got a call from his phone and it wasn't him on the call, it was his GF. She asked me who I was and my immediate instinct was to say that we were just friends and there was nothing going on honestly. I think there is the instinct to protect the person you're in an emotional affair with.
With a text, it's even easier to compose a message to say that nothing is going on, because you get time to think about what you want to say.
I find it alarming that she states that boundaries had been crossed.
So she knows that something they were doing was not right.

userzerozerozero · 25/02/2023 11:23

SaturdayFatterDay · 25/02/2023 11:06

I'm so sorry to hear about this disruption. I found myself in the same place about 4 yrs ago.

Amazing husband, beautiful young children and both of us had successful careers. I never felt anything but the centre of his attention and we were (I thought) in the ideal marriage. No arguing, decent sex life, happy wider families. One day I found messages between him and a colleague which he had been deleting it turned out. Nothing out, just mildly flirty and familiar. He had never mentioned her once, despite sat next to achother at work for a few years - he had talked about all other colleagues. They were just feeding eachothers ego.

I was devastated and couldn't get over the deceit. For others this might have been Nothing, but as my relationship was founded on trust I couldn't get past it. It took me 18 months to realise that and every day was excruciating for us both and hurt our children. I'm filled with regret both about his actions, all the continued lying afterwards, how I handled it and how the situation has panned out today.

Maybe take some time and space for yourself, emotionally and physically if this is possible. Ride the roller coaster of feelings as it will be hard to make decisions at this point. When you feel more stabilised, act then.

For me, the second I found out I knew I couldn't accept it as it shattered the innocence of our relationship. I'm now a lot more pragmatic about relationships and what people can reasonably give, but cynicism is a sad thing. Sending a big hug to you OP.

@SaturdayFatterDay are you still together as I find myself in exactly your situation and 9 months down the track still struggling and undecided about what to do.

SaturdayFatterDay · 25/02/2023 11:33

@userzerozerozero sorry to hear that. No, I divorced him. However, not before the relationship (astonishingly) turned emotionally and then on one occasion physically abusive. He kept saying how sorry he was and that he would do anything to repair the trust but (in hindsight) was furious at being caught out and exposed to some of our friends and family as a bit of a dick. He was no longer the perfect husband and father and punished me for it, very subtly.

He turned into a prolific liar about pretty much anything and the gaslighting broke me down very quickly. I'm still mentally impacted by it, but now have sole care of our children and am back to a strong career. It isn't the life I wanted or would have envisaged in a million years, and still reeling from the shock of an apparently happy and healthy relationship turning into this devastation. Its madness. I would have said he was the most honest and decent person I'd ever had in my life, now I know him to be a pathological liar. Anyone that can lie so extensively and casually will always do it - they don't see you as a person or deserving of respect.

However, for me, better to hold to my values about honesty and decency than live with the lies. They made me feel soiled.

That's a complete horror story and likely never going to be your experience! How arenthings going for you months in?

StopStartStop · 25/02/2023 11:38

Don't waste your time and energy on therapies. Sack him and move on.

I don't agree that men are 'much more sexually motivated than women'. I think you need to look around for a man who really 'motivates' you.

userzerozerozero · 25/02/2023 11:48

@SaturdayFatterDay pmd you. Hope that's OK.

Dotcheck · 25/02/2023 11:55

BalloonInvestigator · 25/02/2023 07:00

A recurring theme on these boards! these new work friends are always women, but never 63 year old Maureen with the dodgy knee.......

Coming on to say that

Dogonaskateboard · 25/02/2023 12:33

Have you heard of the term "work wife or wives or husband"

People that you spend LOTS of time with at work
You can talk with them
You can have a laugh
No attraction involved
Clearly know that there are relationships & other people involved

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