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He said he won't fight for me/us

96 replies

lanabye · 17/01/2023 20:55

My boyfriend and I generally have a good relationship but my dd and he sometimes clash when it comes to bedtime (she's a terrible sleeper) and her typical 8 year old girl behaviour, e.g., answering back, pushing boundaries etc.

He's very firm with her and doesn't like her arguing, yet his way of dealing with her arguing is to argue back. This antagonises her and makes the situation a hell of a lot worse, when it could easily be nipped in the bud. I've learnt to pick my battles and not to sweat the smaller stuff but he can't do this. He has to have the final say.

I have EUPD which means that I find it really hard to regulate my emotions, and when I feel hurt, I really, really feel it. My boyfriend ruined my birthday by arguing with dd, and I was so upset that I told him that I couldn't carry on with the relationship. Ending the relationship is something I've tried to do previously, as it's my way of coping in that I'd rather just cut it off and try to save myself getting hurt any further.

Obviously he feels discarded and like he's not important, but I'm so fed up of not having my feelings validated, and him wanting to brush things under the carpet. When arguments happen, he says that I dwell on it and make them last for days, whereas he'd rather just pretend they never happened and move on immediately. I can't do this.

He's now saying that he won't fight for me any more, and that I've "won". I feel like shit, but I don't know what else I can do. His defences become so high after an argument and I can't get through to him - he becomes this cold, horrible stranger who I don't recognise. Hence why I end it.

What do I do? Do I fight even though I ended it?

OP posts:
ricepuddin · 18/01/2023 00:15

To be clear, there's nothing wrong with walking away from a bad relationship. But you obviously mean it as an empty threat, with your talk of him "fighting" for it and you "fighting" for it after every breakup. Btw, if he has said he doesn't want to be with you anymore, you will not "fighting" for the relationship but stalking/harrassing him.

This is classic BPD hot/cold drama, and I imagine there's a lot more insane conflict and drama in between the repeated breakup cycles as well. For your daughter's sake please get therapy/treatment before getting into another relationship

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 18/01/2023 00:21

I think you're getting really harsh replies on this thread. I wonder what people would have said had you not mentioned the EUPD. I think you ending it is your instinct telling you that this man is no good for you and your daughter. And then you doubt yourself when the adrenaline wears off.

I think your instinct is right.

WalkthisWayUK · 18/01/2023 00:23

Start today and never let him be in charge of her bedtime again. Ever. She is your daughter and he doesn’t get the final say, he doesn’t get any say.

I can’t stress enough how important this is. A stranger, a man is allowed to come in and dictate to your very young 8 year old, and you stand back. This is really, really not OK. Your daughter needs you, she needs consistency.

I’d like to say leave him, and that is probably the best thing, but I’m not sure you will. However you need to put boundaries around the authority in the home where your daughter is concerned. He is throwing his weight about with her ‘having the final say’ and arguing. It sounds really stressful for your daughter. She is young, has no way, is protesting and needs you her mother to get him to back off. It doens’t matter if she is being cheeky with you, HE doens’t get to interfere. He needs to absolutely back off. And you need to make him.

dolor · 18/01/2023 00:32

You let him speak to your daughter like that?

Do your daughter a favour and get rid of him. She's in her formative years and he's being an absolute arse.

Parentandteacher · 18/01/2023 00:35

He sounds very unpleasant and you don’t seem to be worried about your daughter. How does she feel about him? This man isn’t the one. Please think carefully about what traits you are willing to accept in a new boyfriend. Bullying should be a red flag (as should overly ingratiating at an early stage aka grooming). Get support from friends whose judgement is really good to weed out men who aren’t okay to be near your child.

PuzzleMonster · 18/01/2023 02:08

lanabye · 17/01/2023 21:21

He says that he doesn't like the way that she has no respect for me, and that if he doesn't agree with something then he will speak up. But she's 8 for gods sake.

Who the fuck gave him the right to have an opinion about it?! She's your daughter, this is your house, her home, none of it is anything to do with him!

Jesus. He sounds like a bully as PP have said. You're well rid of him.

Do NOT have anything more to do with him. Focus on your DD now. If you do decide to date someone new when you feel more emotionally stable, keep it separate to your home life with DD.

PuzzleMonster · 18/01/2023 02:12

whynotwhatknot · 17/01/2023 22:36

you dont even live together he has no right to discpline your child

He wouldn't anyway...

PuzzleMonster · 18/01/2023 02:13

Livelovebehappy · 17/01/2023 23:30

It’s not bullying. You just aren’t compatible with your parenting styles. He sounds like he wants to put boundaries in place and adopt a firmer way of dealing with her when she kicks off, whereas your approach is a lot more relaxed and you’re happy to just let her get on with it. Somewhere in the middle is where you need to be.

Arguing with an 8 year old is not "putting boundaries in place". 🙄

Aprilx · 18/01/2023 02:18

If my husband dragged every disagreement out for days and kept threatening to end the relationship, there would come a point where I would say “enough”and be done with it too. It sounds like you engage in emotional blackmail, with your threats and then expecting him to “fight” to keep you.

And that is a separate matter to how he treats your daughter. As for that, well I have a suspicion that you are a bit lax, but this is your daughter and your decision and he has no right to over rule that.

Overall, I don’t blame him for not “fighting” for this relationship, it sounds like all three of you would be better off if he calls your bluff this time and it ends.

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TulaDoesTheHula · 18/01/2023 02:32

Why have you down played your daughter’s behaviour in this thread OP? You describe your daughter as having typical 8 year old behaviour & pushing boundaries but I read your last read where you said your daughter screams, shoves & actually hits you multiple times at night. You also willing admit that you’ve over indulged her & she knows you’re a soft touch & that you will let her get away it i.e. she only does this with you because she knows it won’t fly with her dad.

I don’t agree with you partners actions but I don’t blame him for having an opinion to be honest.

miraveille · 18/01/2023 02:52

Her behaviour is none of his business and you're an idiot (sorry) for allowing this as long as you have. Wake up!!

miraveille · 18/01/2023 02:55

@TulaDoesTheHula have you not considered that she acts up in this way because she's been emotionally neglected by her mother and abused by a man she barely knows in her own home?!

Watchkeys · 18/01/2023 06:44

Obviously he feels discarded and like he's not important, but I'm so fed up of not having my feelings validated, and him wanting to brush things under the carpet. When arguments happen, he says that I dwell on it and make them last for days, whereas he'd rather just pretend they never happened and move on immediately. I can't do this

Regardless of anything else, you are not compatible due to this.

CleopatrasBeautifulNose · 18/01/2023 06:45

Your poor DD. 😔
Get some decent parenting advice (there are free courses available)
Step away from the relationship which is not working for anyone
Take some time to allow you and your DD to enjoy life together before you have anyone else in the picture.

STARCATCHER22 · 18/01/2023 06:58

TulaDoesTheHula · 18/01/2023 02:32

Why have you down played your daughter’s behaviour in this thread OP? You describe your daughter as having typical 8 year old behaviour & pushing boundaries but I read your last read where you said your daughter screams, shoves & actually hits you multiple times at night. You also willing admit that you’ve over indulged her & she knows you’re a soft touch & that you will let her get away it i.e. she only does this with you because she knows it won’t fly with her dad.

I don’t agree with you partners actions but I don’t blame him for having an opinion to be honest.

Reading through the thread I expected this might be the case.

He’s not exactly “arguing” with an 8 year old if he’s trying to stop her screaming and hitting you.
It sounds like it’s a good thing the relationship is over but your daughter definitely needs some boundaries.

DrMarciaFieldstone · 18/01/2023 09:51

Sounds like a good thing he’s out (for him too)

Sounds like the child is modelling the drama she sees at home

Whatsthestitch · 18/01/2023 10:00

"Is that really bullying?"

Imagine walking past a grown man shouting at a 8 year old on the street.

How would that look? What would you or any other passer by think about that.

so now because it happens in your own home is it anymore okay?

No ADULT should be shouting at any CHILD. Especially when they are not their parent. My first port of call would be to protect my child from the emotional distress and damage in her own home. She shouldn't have to even worry that someone three times her age and height is going to verbally attack her. Her home should be her safe haven.

And that's without accounting for the upset his attitude towards your daughter and your own relationship inflicts on you.

Do you both some justice and leave this guy dumped.

Vallmo47 · 18/01/2023 10:01

The relationship is over OP, it’s not working and he’s not her dad so you’re ultimately the one who makes the decisions in regards to your daughter. Maybe you could seek advice and support in how to cope with her behaviour? I have an 11 year daughter, she will have little moments of backchat and “trying her luck”, but they’re immediately nipped in the bud by me telling her in a firm voice that she cannot speak to me like this and if she does there will be consequences. So she stops her behaviour and usually apologises/shows remorse. I’m not saying that to make you feel bad, maybe there’s more to it than you’ve said here, but then you do need support in dealing with it. Maybe she’s been acting up so bad because she doesn’t like your boyfriend or how he speaks to her? He’s the guest as such. But it’s also possible you need to get tougher on her. Either way, the boyfriend is not the one to do it. Having said that, it must be exceptionally difficult to stand by and watch if she is indeed hurting you. I’d have to break up something like that to be honest. You don’t think his way is working, but why was he stepping in if you’re handling it and resolving the issues?

No harm in getting help and support from others. Good luck!

Whatsthestitch · 18/01/2023 10:03

@TulaDoesTheHula maybe she is acting out because she feels on defence and can't settle at home without the potentional of being shouted at by man? Don't know if the timeline fits but that would certainly make sense.

Unstable home creates a unstable child

keepareaclean · 18/01/2023 10:05

Ok, you don't want to see it as bullying. Fine, he is abusive. Get him out of her life.

VaddaABeetch · 18/01/2023 10:20

Imagine how scary it is for an adult male to shout at an 8 year old.

This man is not her father, he was your boyfriend.

He was abusing your daughter.

You’re well rid,

Focus on building a better relationship with your daughter. Forget boyfriends for the moment.

Sunshineandflipflops · 18/01/2023 10:28

I have been with my dp for 3.5 years, we don't live together and I have two teenagers so sometimes he sees me upset/frustrated at their behaviour and I know he sometimes thinks I'm too soft BUT he also recognises that I am their parent, not him and stays out of it.

If he didn't, he would be told where to go with his opinions on my parenting.

EyesOnThePies · 18/01/2023 10:32

I think he tries to overcompensate for me being perceived as "soft" with her,

This is none of his business and not his place to intervene.

You get upset when you can’t regulate your emotions, how do you think your poor 8 year old child feels?

His need for competitive dominance is horrible. And can you imagine how he would be when your Dd reaches teen years?

He hasn’t even got any live in Step Dad responsibilities.

You have done the right thing getting rid of him. Focus on your Dd, make sure your trust and bond is strong and not damaged by his horrible behaviour and don’t let him back.

PeekAtYou · 18/01/2023 10:37

Ending things is right for everyone.

Your dd will live in a more peaceful home with less arguing.

He doesn't have to deal with a partner who ends things in arguments (abusive)

You don't have to deal with someone who bullies your dd and becomes cold and mean in arguments (abusive)