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Hand hold please, I have just properly cut ties with my mum

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Lordofthebutterfloofs · 31/12/2022 11:20

She cut contact with me over an imaginary fall out in May 2022. Waited until the middle of December to get back in touch (because she wanted to see my boys at Christmas)

According to my poor very elderly grandad she was waiting on an apology from me. For what I'm don't know, I had not fallen out with her.

Theres obviously way more to this whole can of bollocks but i'm not up to it right now. I feel panicky and anxious and sad. Despite my DH agreeing with my decision so I know I am NBU. I am still doubting myself.

I always give more than I get with her. She is horrid to me but love bombs my kids. They keep asking when they will see nana again and I don't know what to say. I have so far explained that nana has fallen out with mummy and mummy is waiting for nana to stop being silly as I haven't fallen out with her.

So much to unpack I honestly feel like crying but I find that hard. And the kids are here and I'm alone with them so I cant really even if I could.

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Fleurdaisy · 31/12/2022 19:54

You don’t have to do any more. Are you and your children tucked up in your home? Repeat to yourself that you and your kids are safe and warm, everything is ok.
I went NC within my mother as she was so toxic about me. The lies she told to other relatives were awful and I didn’t want my DDs having any part in that.

You are enough for your dc. What you’ve said about their gran is perfect.

LemonDrizzles · 31/12/2022 20:01

I'm here holding your hand. You can do this. You know in your heart if hearts it is the right thing to do for you.

Cheekypotnoodle · 31/12/2022 20:21

I visit MN because there are people who understand this type of problem. So I stand in solidarity with you. Protect your sanity. You will feel doubt but ride through it. People like my mum don't get better if anything they get worse. You wouldn't let a tumour grow on your body, you'd cut it out to try save your life. This is no different x

melodyshetland · 31/12/2022 20:22

Good luck to you, OP. You can do this. A few weeks or months before the dust settles but you'll probably feel immediate relief in other ways having finally done it.

I had a similar situation to you in that my mother had gone no contact for several months, it didn't take much to offend her, and it was probably excuses.

I sent a final message as you did, saying I didn't wish to see or hear from her again, amongst reasons why. I didn't personally hear from her again, but she did try to have some sort of petty revenge, and from a financial point of view, and I'm disinherited. All as expected and fine.

It's been nearly 14 years now and I haven't heard a thing since. The downside is that people must have taken sides as I didn't hear from them again (including a half sister - more fool them because they know what she's like but want the inheritance) but I have my brother, who is a wonderful friend, and father and stepmother. We're all scattered geographically so no chance of us meeting at family gatherings.

Sorry, I've gone on a bit there.

Lordofthebutterfloofs · 31/12/2022 20:31

melodyshetland · 31/12/2022 20:22

Good luck to you, OP. You can do this. A few weeks or months before the dust settles but you'll probably feel immediate relief in other ways having finally done it.

I had a similar situation to you in that my mother had gone no contact for several months, it didn't take much to offend her, and it was probably excuses.

I sent a final message as you did, saying I didn't wish to see or hear from her again, amongst reasons why. I didn't personally hear from her again, but she did try to have some sort of petty revenge, and from a financial point of view, and I'm disinherited. All as expected and fine.

It's been nearly 14 years now and I haven't heard a thing since. The downside is that people must have taken sides as I didn't hear from them again (including a half sister - more fool them because they know what she's like but want the inheritance) but I have my brother, who is a wonderful friend, and father and stepmother. We're all scattered geographically so no chance of us meeting at family gatherings.

Sorry, I've gone on a bit there.

That's OK @melodyshetland its good to hear there's light at the end of the tunnel.

I am feeling calmer now. She is blocked and cannot respond, DH is home the children are in bed and I have a bit of space so I don't feel as anxious. My eldest has been particularly clingy today as I think we are all coming down with something.

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Minimalme · 31/12/2022 22:18

You have handled this situation very calmly (I know it doesn't feel like that inside) and should be really proud of yourself.

I went NC with my Mother a year ago and ended up screaming at her. Various people came and went, trying to convince me she loved me (beware your Grandad on this, he may be old and a nice person, but this isn't his relationship to manage).

In the end, I blocked my Mother, her friend and my Auntie. As of today, I have blocked two of my siblings but haven't sent a message so they don't know.

I am left with my husband and kids and a sibling and her family. I am loved by everyone in my life and I love them wholeheartedly too. No one tries to hurt me, use me, demean me or frighten me. It's a much better life.

I have been very open with my dc. I told them that Granny was a mean parent who didn't love me. I also tell them that some people are just bad and no one should spend time with someone who makes them feel unhappy.

Lordofthebutterfloofs · 01/01/2023 13:13

So, having blocked on WhatsApp (my main communication - I don't use my phones standard sms)

I forgot to block her generally on my phone 😔

Just had an SMS, apparently I am very cruel, she never stopped my grandparents from seeing me so why am I stopping her. She has saved the messages as she is convinced they will seek her out in a few years and she will PROOVE it was me that stopped contact and they will hate me.

This message has made me quite mad and I am even more convinced of having done the right thing now. It's all about her AGAIN and what she gets out of seeing the kids. Nothing about wanting to reconcile with me, her actual daughter.

We live REALLY close. As in the other end of a quarter mile long street.

I need to list some of the other things I'm angry about.

  • Taking digs at me via 'talking to the kids' (ooh, maybe mummy will clean up one day. I wonder when mummy is going to offer to make nana a cup of tea, when I was mummy's age I was very slim because of all the housework I kept on top of) and then smirking when I occasionally bite and tell her to make her own fucking tea or if she wants my house cleaner she could help. I know that one sounds small.
  • Randomly falling out with me over imagined slights (roughly every 6 months)
  • Whenever I tried to talk to her about something difficultin my life, crying and telling me how nobody cares about HER
  • Making me responsible for her physical and mental wellbeing. Allowing herself to get so ill and refusing to call the doctor that I had to take over and run her around everywhere, speak for her at appointments ect.
  • She is full of bitterness about her divorce from my dad. Every opportunity she gets she will rant on and on and on about how much of a bastard he is. He is a twat but I am. Not your therapist and just because I see h and speak to him sometimes I am not your enemy.
  • When I told her I was pregnant with my eldest, giving me an evil look and telling me to 'get rid of it' this one I can never forgive.
  • Being rude to my friends/boyfriends all my life.
  • Being drunk every night of my childhood that I remember
  • Allowing my dad to emotionally and verbally abuse me and laughing about it when I cried.
  • Emotionally abusing me herself
  • Physically attacking me as a teen -(yes I was an arsehole, but I learned from the best)
  • Having dad kill snowy the rabbit because she didn't want to look after it anymore. (when I was little she said it died of the cold, when a teenager she told me when drunk that dad necked it)

God I'm sure there's more if I think hard enough.

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Lordofthebutterfloofs · 01/01/2023 13:20

Oh yes,

  • Allowing my brother to attack me all my childhood. Never protecting me from it.
  • After one particularly vicious attack in my teens I called the police in the bathroom. They turned up only for her to lie to them in another room and them reprimand me for wasting police time. She then threatened me with a worse outcome. If I ever called them again. I didn't.
  • Giving no shits when the neighbour over the road watched me in my room with binoculars whilst wanking at the age of ten. Infact actively calling me a liar.
  • Telling me I cannot call the police and told me I was crying 'crocodile tears' after my brother attacked me when 6 months pregnant and held me up against the wall by my neck with his fist in my face and then broke my laptop. This is when I cut my brother off.
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AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/01/2023 13:29

None of what happened to you was your fault in any way; that is all on the perpatrators.

You will need to grieve for the relationship you should have had rather than the
one you actually got.

Block any and all "flying monkeys" like her husband (her willing enabler and secondary abuser) sent in by your so called mother into doing her bidding.

Toxic parents more often than not become toxic as grandparents too.
She was not a good parent to you when you were growing up (a complete understatement) and in turn she is not a good grandparent figure to your kids either. You all need to stay well away from her.

Lordofthebutterfloofs · 01/01/2023 13:32

Hi @AttilaTheMeerkat i remember you from my early MN days when my eldest was little 😊

Only very recently rejoined. My mother doesn't have a husband. Nobody would want her. It's my poor lovely grandad (her 94yr old dad) who is her flying monkey. I can't cut him off, I won't have him for much longer.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/01/2023 13:37

I am so sorry re your grandad but he is a flying monkey. He is not interested in hearing your side of things so his opinion should be ignored. If you at all want him in your life (and I would suggest you do not) you're going to have to tell him that you do not want to hear it each and every time he starts on about you and your mother.

You can assure your child that you are making a wise and loving decision for them as well as yourself. I am not going to script what you should say because you are the only one who knows your children, but you must convey that this isn't up for negotiation. This is not a decision that the child gets to make. Yes, children usually love their grandparents. Children are often quite indiscriminate in their love which is why they need parents to guide them. Not every person is safe to have around and this is a good time to teach that important life lesson. The more matter-of-fact you are, the more matter-of-fact your children will be. When we act hysterical, they will usually reflect our hysteria. If you act anxious, they will act anxious. If you appear unsure, they will push. Model the reaction and attitude you want your children to adopt.

If you have another set of grandparents in the picture then focus on them. It is rare that both sets of grandparents are nasty. Emphasize to your children how much we enjoy being around grandma and grandpa so-and-so (the decent and loving grandparents). Cultivate your children's relationship with the decent, loving grandparents. Teach your children to be grateful for the decent, loving grandparents. Gratitude is a highly effective antidote to loss. Focus them on what they have, not what they don't have. Model that attitude of gratitude.

You will find that the children will eventually stop mentioning the loss of the grandparent if you are not bringing it up. If you are talking about your parent in the hearing of your children then you are inviting them to keep talking about it, too. I can not over-emphasize the need for your explanation to a younger child to be calm, pragmatic, measured and short. Long explanations make you look defensive which will tend to peak the interest of the child and prompt him to push the issue. You can gauge what is appropriate information depending on the age of the child. If the child is older and has experienced or witnessed the grandparent's nastiness in action then you can say more.

Young children are not known for their long attention spans. This works in your favor. With younger children you have the advantage of distraction. It is easy enough to get the child's mind off onto another track. Every parent has done the distraction routine at one time or another. "Mommy, I want to see NastyGram today!" "Honey, we aren't going to see NastyGram today because we get to go to the park and eat ice cream." (Make up fun time on the spot if necessary for this distraction.) "Yay!!" sez the kid and off we go. Subject changed, kid distracted. In time, NastyGram will fade from memory. Any bonding that may have occurred will dissipate in the process of time.

Remember, you are the parent. You're older and therefore more experienced which is the point of being the parent. The child is dependent on your good sense and protective wisdom. You're smarter than your child; use that to your advantage (such as using the distraction method). You are the final authority. This is not a negotiable issue. Your child doesn't get to decide on this one because they lack the understanding, wisdom, experience and good sense that, hopefully, you have. So don't look like you're unsure or open to quibble. You'll undermine yourself if you look anything but firm and resolved on it. Use your advantages as parent to smooth the effects of the cut-off. Over time this will all quiet down. Kids tend to accept what is. It will happen more quickly if you follow the above advice.

Most of all, do not operate from a fearful mindset. Don't be afraid of your children's possible, or actual, reactions. Don't be afraid that you are depriving them of something important by cutting off a set of grandparents. You are only "depriving" them of bad things. Reassure yourself with that truth. Family is not everything. Blood is not binding. You are escaping the Mob Family. What should connect us is how we treat each other with love and respect. This is always a good lesson to teach our little ones. If any part of you is unsure of your decision then, for Pete's sake, don't show it. Your resoluteness will go a long way toward reassuring your children that you are acting in everyone's best interest. If your children know that you love them, they are going to feel reassured that this decision is also based in your love for them. They will find an added sense of security to know that you, as their parent, are willing to protect them even at the cost of your relationship with your own parent(s). Rather than being fearful, see the plentiful opportunities in this. You are protecting your children from someone whom you've experienced as being abusive; you are reassuring your children that you are in charge and are watchful for their best interests (creates deep sense of security); you can teach healthy family values which include that family doesn't get a pass for abusive behavior; you can strengthen and reinforce the healthy relationships in your extended family. Kids are less likely to feel like there is a void in their life if you fill it with good things.

Cutting off from your parent is a good thing. No need to act otherwise. Your children will sense it is a good thing by how you behave. Model how you want them to respond and it is likely they will imitate. Don't be afraid of their questions. Kids are amazingly resilient and well-equipped to handle truth. Parents are supposed to protect their progeny. If your child doesn't agree with how you go about that don't worry. They will often disagree with your decisions for their best interests. Nothing new there. It is your job as parent to make the tough decisions. If you know it is the right decision then proceed with confidence. Showing confidence is a quality of leadership. As a parent you are supposed to be a leader. Lead...and they will likely follow.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/01/2023 13:38

And I've been around here a long time!

LovingTheAbbreviations · 01/01/2023 13:42

Gosh, she sounds absolutely deranged and a terrible mum to you not protecting you from anything and abusing you herself! You are so right and strong to go NC well done this is soooo brilliant. Your kids will be fine… maybe just tell them she died… sorry shouldn’t joke! You sound like a very strong person who will get through this and make a lovely life and family for yourself without all their BS. Congratulations and wishing you much love, happiness and strength xxx

Newgirls · 01/01/2023 13:46

You need and deserve professional therapy. A rubbish dad, sibling and mother is a lot and most of us would need help with any one of those.

The priority here is your relationship with your kids and you don’t want this impacting on you and them in any way. A therapist will take time so you won’t feel awkward - it should feel a massive relief.

You can find one online if time is an issue. Cost yes a lot but priceless.

Muddledbutwellmeaning · 01/01/2023 13:47

💐

Orangesandlemons77 · 01/01/2023 13:50

OP there is much good advice on the Out of the FOG site listed upthread. I too am NC with my mother, it has helped me a lot.

My dad, who ironically she is divorced from and spent time dismissing and alienating me against growing up, became a flying money and kept asking me to forgive her. / contact her.

I managed to deal with this by reassuring him that this was between me and her and not to do with him, and he did stop talking / asking. For a while he would do things like try to get me to speak to her on the phone.

Theunamedcat · 01/01/2023 14:06

Bit late to the party but you can download all your WhatsApp messages

Findingmypurposeinlife · 01/01/2023 14:08

CPL593H · 31/12/2022 11:39

I'm sorry you're in this position. I speak from experience as I am still totally unaware what caused the ultimate cutting off by my mother, almost a decade before she died. I realised over time that you examine and examine yourself in a way the other party would not begin to, the concept would be alien to them. The knots you tie yourself up in take a long time to unravel and you may never get answers. Accepting that is hard but does bring some peace

Let alone what is going on with you, she doesn't have a healthy relationship with your children. A genuinely caring grandparent would have tried to resolve whatever issues (she thought) were between you long ago, even if it was just to maintain proper contact with them. It is very telling that she didn't make contact until Christmas and my suspicions would be that it was to maintain a public illusion of "happy families", probably for the benefit of others but not really for you or your kids.

I can well imagine a painful and long backstory. Giving yourself permission to stop caring is difficult, frightening even, but a way of starting that is to actively give her less headspace. It's New Year, concentrate on your kids and having fun with them and allow yourself to have fun too, shelve thoughts about her for a few days. That enjoyment will make you stronger in whatever you decide to do.

I've burbled on, sorry, so hope at least a bit of this makes sense Flowers and genuine good wishes.

Just wanted to say your post resonated with me so much and it completely makes so much sense. The aftermath, the unraveling, trying to comprehend, tying yourself up in knots and the cross examination of literally everything.
Then, coming to terms with the actual bereavement and realising its final. (I found out about my mother's death 4 years later. Probably the last to know. But I still miss her with all my heart. Its painful)

Just wanted to say Happy New Year and best wishes to you 🌺

ModernMilliewantstoplay · 01/01/2023 14:10

pinneddownbytabbies · 31/12/2022 11:53

Hurry up and block before she has the chance to respond.

That’s a bit unfair. Someone did this to me and it isn’t very pleasant. So you get to say all you like and the other person doesn’t get to respond.

JoyPeaceSleep · 01/01/2023 14:14

You have all of my sympathy.

This is what I've gone through the last three years, emerging now. I went to therapy and it wasn't a magic wand I'll be honest but it did help.

My mother has had zero insight in the last three years. I warn you, please don't expect her to reflect and finally ''get it''. I longed for that moment for so long and far from arriving, she is angry with me for destroying the family. Even though she is defensive, accepts no feedback even when it is painfully important to me, she turns everything around, attacks me, gets dad on her side, gets my brother on her side, they all give me the silent treatment, she smears me to the relatives, she misrepresents conversations we had when we bumped in to each other by chance to my brother to make herslef look good and me look bad. I'm done now. It's just not even safe to talk to her now.

You will get through it though, sit with the discomfort. That is what she will never do. Eventually it will pass. Not entirely but mostly. I think that the hurt is always there a bit but you just move around it. It won't consume you like it is doing today. xxx

Lordofthebutterfloofs · 01/01/2023 14:16

ModernMilliewantstoplay · 01/01/2023 14:10

That’s a bit unfair. Someone did this to me and it isn’t very pleasant. So you get to say all you like and the other person doesn’t get to respond.

Have you read about what kind of a person my mother is?

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JoyPeaceSleep · 01/01/2023 14:26

The 'one' showed up.

CPL593H · 01/01/2023 14:30

@Findingmypurposeinlife Thank you. I've found sharing experience with people who "get it" has helped a lot, after so many years of silence. Wishing you a really good 2023 too.

JoyPeaceSleep · 01/01/2023 14:37

I think it's ok to be honest with children and say that the GP may love you grandchildren but they aren't respectful to me

I've said as much to my kids. They have gone over there. I've ''allowed'' it as they are teens and I can't stop it, but it has faltered out really.

My mum has to chase after them for fewer and fewer meetings.

When they bump in to my DD by chance they will ask ''how is your mum, is she very stressed?'' and my Daughter would say, no, why? So she sees through their narrative-building. Then they started saying ''how are things at home?'' dying for the answer to be ''so bad''. And again my DD deliberately misunderstood them and well teenage brother is a pain but I gather uncle was far worse at his age! (something they've always denied, but my brother was rough with me growing up).

My daughter has seen with her own eyes that my parents have been determined not to communicate with their own daughter while love-bombing her. She's old enough to recognise that as manipulative. But they are on better behaviour with my DD and DS. They would never insult them and then quickly shut them down rudely with an air of ''respect our right to insult you'' and ''if you have any reaction to our hurtful behaviour, you're sensitive and paranoid''.

I'm treated very differently to the rest of the family and will always be the scapegoat. I understand now it is not going to change.

Cleotolstoy · 01/01/2023 14:54

I get it op. I know exactly what your mother is like. If your mother was in any way a mature adult this wouldn't even be happening. As time moves on and you ruminate, and you will, for sometime to come, you will see that there was only ever two options available, this or denying your needs and silencing your truth, and the latter makes you sick. You've had enough of the sham and farce of what the relationship was and this is to be commended. Hold the little girl in you.