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To tell DH that I would like him to travel to my home country with me for Christmas?

61 replies

aridapricot · 22/12/2022 23:02

DH is British, I am not. We don't have children. When we got married we agreed that one year we would both fly to my home country to spend Christmas with my family and the next one I would fly to my home country on my own and he would spend Christmas in the UK with his family. For New Year we are always in the UK. In 2019 we spent Christmas together with my family. Then Covid happened, in 2020 we both stayed in the UK and 2021 I flew to my country on my own. Last September I told him that I was going to book our plane tickets for Christmas and he told me he would rather stay in the UK but "if I really wanted him to go" he would suck it up and come with me. He made it very clear how much of a big sacrifice this was for him (he has a close-knit family and loves Christmas with them) so I said, it's ok, I'll go on my own.

The problem is, I struggle with my own family and specially my mother. She has a history of controlling, infantilizing and manipulating me. My father is a nice guy but for the most part he has always enabled her, as has my brother. Over the years, I have become better at managing these visits on my own. 10 years ago we would be having spats (maybe 2 over the course of a week-long visit), 5 years ago I would have found myself giving in to my mother's control and hating myself for it. Nowadays I mostly feel really anxious, depressed and on edge most of the time, just spending a lot of time reading or working in my room or walking outside and hardly speaking about anything meaninful during meals because I learned years ago the hard way that any information I give my mother about my (rather successful) life in the UK can be used against me at any point.

When my husband is here with me, I find it easier, because my mother's control and infantilization subsides somewhat, and also because as soon as she tries something I can discuss it with him and relativize. But he notices (even though he doesn't speak the language) that the atmosphere at home is somewhat tense and he'd rather spend Christmas with his family anyway.

A few days before my trip this year he told me that in the future he would come to my country with me for Christmas "if I really wanted to". But I really don't know if the right answer is "yes, I do". I think that, no matter how unpleasant my past with my mother, it is up to me to face it like an adult, and not hide behind my husband or anyone else. I don't want to be needy. On the other hand, I resent my husband selling this to me as if it was a big favour he's prepared to do for my sake, when in reality, even if we did stick to our original agreement, he would get 1 Christmas out of 2 at home AND ALL New Years at home too, so hardly equitable for me. On the other hand, I do get Christmas without his family is a big sacrifice.

Thanks for listening.

OP posts:
cestlavielife · 22/12/2022 23:06

It does not sound like visiting your family is fun for anyone least of all you
Why do you still go?
Why not "adopt" your dp family for xmas snd visit yours another time for a very short visit?

GrumpyPanda · 22/12/2022 23:09

Sounds like you should both alternate. Do you want to go home each year or is that pressure put on you by your parents?

MelchiorsMistress · 22/12/2022 23:10

Just to clarify, do you mean you go to your parents home every Christmas and you want your DH to go with you every other year?

If I’ve got that right, you’re being unfair. You can’t expect your DH to sacrifice every other Christmas when you never spend Christmas with his family. Especially when Christmas with your family is miserable and his family have a nice time.

Wanderingoff · 22/12/2022 23:12

Don’t go - or at the most go every second year to your family.

but honestly why put up with that crap.

gamerchick · 22/12/2022 23:14

Fair would be alternating years for you both. Not you never doing Christmas in the UK.

Wtf do you want to do all of that anyway? Sounds like a nightmare you willingly sign up for and expect your husband to as well.

billyt · 22/12/2022 23:14

So you visit your family every.single.year and your husband visits his family every other year?

Fuck that.

gamerchick · 22/12/2022 23:16

Why is your husband never allowed a happy Christmas with his wife?

aridapricot · 22/12/2022 23:16

Why do you still go?
In my home country there's a lot of pressure for everyone to go back home for Christmas, much more so (in my experience) than in the UK. Plane tickets to my country get prohibitively expensive around Christmas but you are still expected to suck it up and go. This pressure is on in normal, healthy families (I know plenty of expats from my country and all say the same) and doubly so in controlling families like mine. I fear that not going would be perceived as a huge afront and undo some of the work I've done so far (in terms of making the situation with my family minimally bearable and avoid open confrontation).

If I’ve got that right, you’re being unfair. You can’t expect your DH to sacrifice every other Christmas when you never spend Christmas with his family.
I had never looked at it this way and perhaps this is an argument I can use with my family to justify not going at last some years. However we do spend New Year with his family every time.

OP posts:
Lapland123 · 22/12/2022 23:17

It’d be fair if you came with him to his family Christmas, alternate years. And you’d likely have a nicer time too!

Mom2K · 23/12/2022 00:04

It sounds like your visits are not enjoyable anyway with how your mother treats you...and you say your dh doesn't speak your family's language. So I can fully understand why he wouldn't want to go...what I don't understand is why you would even want to go home. If time with your family makes you feel anxious and depressed it would make the most sense to spend holidays with your DH and his family. Or create your own new holiday traditions as a couple, but I think it's unfair to push Christmas with your family if he can't communicate with anyone (or most anyone) except you and the visits are tense anyway. What a way to ruin the holidays.

Doggydarling · 23/12/2022 02:13

You don't enjoy your trips home, you go out of obligation but expect your husband to accompany you every second year as back up even though he doesn't speak the language? You're not o ly being unfair to him You're being unfair to yourself. Grow up and spend Christmas wherever you will enjoy it the most, where you will be comfortable, relaxed and happy. Forget about spending ridiculous money on a trip you appear to only do because its traditional, what's your plan if you have children? Will you bring them back to that dreadful atmosphere every year? Please stop doing this to yourself and your husband, stay with him and his family if its happier there.

MintJulia · 23/12/2022 02:55

I don't understand why you go at all. You have a miserable time. Why put yourself through it? Why waste precious time off? Why waste the money? Your dm sounds horrible.

And expecting your poor dh to spend every other Christmas in a country where he doesn't speak the language, having to deal with your family's stress and tension, is completely unfair. Why would you put your unpleasant mother before your lovely husband?

If anything, it is up to you to grow a spine and tell your mother No.

BigsyMalone · 23/12/2022 03:01

I do not subscribe to the 'poor DH' view as if they are partners they should be alternating years. But, I agree with others you should not to every year. Every other year - max.

ZekeZeke · 23/12/2022 03:01

I would struggle to go somewhere with my partner where their family made them feel like shit because I wouldn't be able to keep my mouth shut and would cause WW3.

Why would you put your DH through that?

Snugglemonkey · 23/12/2022 03:07

It is a big favour for your husband to go when it is not a nice environment. I don't think either of you should go. Especially annually. Every other year maybe, but honestly, life is too short for misery.

HamBone · 23/12/2022 03:25

I think you should start a precedent of not going for Christmas every year-it’s expensive and you don’t even enjoy it! You could visit your family some other time of the year when tickets are cheaper. Your brother will be spending Christmas with your parents so they can still have a family Christmas.

As PO’s have said, start making your own family traditions (that you actually enjoy!)

kingtamponthefurred · 23/12/2022 04:27

Is there a huge inheritance at risk if you don't go?

Suzi888 · 23/12/2022 05:04

Christmas with your family sounds awful (sorry). I wouldn’t want to go either!

😮‍💨😮‍💨Cost of living and all…

WildFlowerBees · 23/12/2022 05:13

Instead of asking my Dh to give up a Christmas he enjoys with his family I'd work on my own boundaries so I could say no to Christmas with mine, Obligation is only that if you allow it. Saying no is something we as adults have the joy of saying. Practice it for next year!

dolor · 23/12/2022 05:15

The pressure on families to spend holidays with one another when being around each other is going to cause upset, is ridiculous. I probably wouldn't want to go to your home country if your mother is going to be awful. Your husband clearly doesn't want to see that happening to you.

It's time for you to make your own traditions, you don't have to conform.

KatherineJaneway · 23/12/2022 05:25

It sounds like you want him there to help control your Mum's behaviour rather than to enjoy Christmas together. It sounds miserable to be honest, I can understand why he has reversed course on the original agreement.

My view is you break the mold and stop going for Christmas. You don't enjoy it and it is expensive. Better to ignore the disapproval / pressure from thousands of miles away.

starfish4517 · 23/12/2022 05:36

DH and I are not British,from the same country but our home towns are 200 miles away from each other. My family is very similar to yours (in particular the controlling mum).

We fly every year (except lockdowns obvs) and fully alternate. This year is IL's turn and my mum is sulking but tough luck. As much as she doesn't like it, I'm an adult with a job and a family abroad.

Please, please resist the pressure and do similar. You might actually relax and enjoy your holidays with your in laws (I do)

NOTANUM · 23/12/2022 05:46

Is it a country in South America? The pressure on Brazilian friends to return at Christmas is unreal.

If children are in your future you need to sort this out. Imagine kids having to travel like this at Christmas, leaving their friends and family, and then spending the time in a weird atmosphere.

But I do think at the very least, you need to alternate. New Year’s Eve is no comparison to Christmas in this country unless you’re very young.

Ponderingwindow · 23/12/2022 05:48

It’s odd that you expect him to spend Christmas with your family, but you do not reciprocate.

the bigger issue is that your family visit sounds extremely unpleasant. I have a problematic family myself so I understand. DH and I do visit, but we do so strategically. As adults, you don’t have to follow their rules. You can decide to stay in a hotel to give yourself space. You can limit how much time you spend with family each day and take some time to show your DH your home country.

Paq · 23/12/2022 05:50

Your mother sounds horrible. Just don't go and don't expect your husband to be your emotional support human for your family issues. Sort them out yourself. He deserves a nice Christmas as much as you do.

Yes there's pressure to go back for Christmas, but it's coming from your own Fear/Obligation/Guilt. Just let it go!