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Sister minimised partners child sex offences, I've now lost my family

129 replies

Littlechat85 · 01/12/2022 16:54

My sister contacted me in August this year to tell me her fiance was going to court the following week to see if he was guilty of accessing child pornography, I immediately told her to go to our parents house for a family meeting and told her she could not continue her relationship if this was true, I would never accept such behaviour, I have children & work with abuse of children, so there is NO comprises for me on this.

I later received messages saying if he goes to prison she will leave him, if he gets community then she will work it out, she doesn't want to loose her Family Or him, but waiting for the judgement.

Because of my children and job, she had been advised to tell me by the police, the police also needed to contact me to discuss.....this is where it goes sideways.....

The police confirmed her fiance was arrested about a year ago, was already convinced of child sex offences, had signed the SOR and was banned from any public place where children could be...... sister withheld ALL these details.

I told my parents this information, yet in the few days that passed Inbetween family meeting and call with police, the sister had minimised the whole thing to parents and convinced them he had been 'set up' they didn't believe me and treated me like a liar

I warned parents about supporting this nonsense and if this becomes public knowledge in community, they will likely suffer consequences of association - he was sentenced to three months right after this....... obviously as he WAS already guilty, a risk to children and she already knew ALL of this, took me on a merry go round to try play victim somehow.....

Sister has been at parents since he was put iñ prison, manipulating them further, I've tried to take my daughter to see my mum but sister is always there and the only time I took her, my stepdad (sisters real dad) ignored my daughter and both parents moody with me......I asked if sister was still there a few weeks back, dad sent message about how they are setting her a flat up ect, I criticized them ' I hope your not setting her flat up for a pedophile to move into when he's released ' as this is exactly what appears they are doing....stepdad blocked me

I called mum few days later as dad had unblocked to message n say mum had been in hospital, I checked how she was and said at end of call, 'dont you go anywhere I've had to lose enough people recently ' indicating to having to distance myself from my sister due to her decisions and minimising behaviour, my mum said to me 'you will loose me too if you carry on what your saying' I snapped and hung up, I was furious my mum threatened me with abandonment (she used this as a weapon in my childhood)

I am just flabbergasted at the fact I've now lost my sister AND parents for standing on moral ground and attempting to remove and protect them all from the damage that could.come with such an association, because I can't even really discuss this with anyone (had to disclose to my employer, was not easy!) It's making me loose my mind, I think FAR too much & keep getting quite angry, I'm also pregnant and they are my only family so it's a touch break to have to make.

I KNOW hand on heart I'm standing by what is RIGHT and thinking of all the victims of the crimes he watched, but to be made out to be the bad one for voicing what is right is really tough, views and honesty from neutral people may help to bring me some peace of mind, this is extremely unusual and even with all my own professional knowledge, it's hard to accept I've basically lost my family because I won't support a pedophile, what would you have done? Xx

OP posts:
Fleurdaisy · 01/12/2022 17:34

Fladdermus · 01/12/2022 17:23

Your sister has knowingly brought a paedophile into your children's lives. She'd be dead to me,. Likewise anyone who supported her in this.

Sadly, this. I could not have anything to do with anyone who supported a paedophile. Yoyr sister showed her minimising in she’d leave if a prison sentence but stay if community service —- he’d still be guilty no matter how she sugars it.
Does your sister have children? Surely SS will be involved to ensure her kids are safe?

Soothsayer1 · 01/12/2022 17:43

'you will loose me too if you carry on what your saying' I snapped and hung up, I was furious my mum threatened me with abandonment
it's no loss to lose someone who doesnt have your back is it!
Try not to have any direct conversation with them, keep everything in writing & businesslike, keep all evidence in case of social services or law enforcement involvement. This man is a sexual predator who has offended against children.
(@CrampMcBastard is presumably one of his sidekicks?)

nookierookie · 01/12/2022 17:45

I think that you have to step away.

If it were me, I'd send a written message telling your mum and sister that you love them, but that you cannot associate with a man who has viewed images of child sexual abuse (or worse) for his own entertainment and you have to protect your children and your professional life.

I'd tell them that it is not personal against DF - you'd cut off any man in this position (as I am sure would they if they read about this happening to someone else).

I'd also ask your sister to think about whether this man is a man she can trust if they have children and to consider the likelihood of social service involvement due to his history.

You love them and you will be there for them if they change their mind.

You're doing the right thing. Best wishes OP

Georgeskitchen · 01/12/2022 17:50

100% you have done the right thing.
Seems like your SIL and parents have been well and truly groomed by this paedo.
Hopefully some day the scales will fall from their eyes......

AnneLovesGilbert · 01/12/2022 17:52

Fladdermus · 01/12/2022 17:23

Your sister has knowingly brought a paedophile into your children's lives. She'd be dead to me,. Likewise anyone who supported her in this.

With bells on.

I feel for you desperately OP, it’s a lot to deal with, but you’ve had no choice but to protect yourself and your children. You poor thing.

EL8888 · 01/12/2022 17:55

You completely are doing the right thing. Keep on keeping your children safe. Sorry to hear about how your family are behaving. Disgraceful. Especially your sister

MarshaMelrose · 01/12/2022 17:55

I understand how he can't be in your ilife and you have made the right decision. 100% But maybe you didn't handle the conversation right. You can't just tell people someone can't be in their life. It immediately puts the other person on the defensive and makes them dig their heels in. You really need to make this into an understanding discussion rather than demands.
She'll discover how disgusting he is and she'll need a way to get out saving face. If you make sure that's available for her, you have a better chance of breaking them up.

Murdoch1949 · 01/12/2022 17:56

You had no choice and did the right thing. Your sister and parents have made their choice and there's nothing you can do about that. Try to maintain contact with your mum & sister in some way, they will need you in the future when the serial paedophile reoffends.

badbaduncle · 01/12/2022 18:01

He's groomed them. Stand strong and do not speak to these people OP, you are right and keeping your children safe.

MistletoeandBaileys · 01/12/2022 18:01

You have done the right thing. I know it’s hard but they are standing behind and supporting a pedophile.

Any decent people would stand by their grandchildren and refuse to allow this scum to be apart of their lives.

I know it is difficult but keep your distance, don’t engage with them unless it’s a serious health related illness etc.

However difficult it is just remember you are doing it to keep your children safe. I also wouldn’t send them pictures of your children. You know they will show your sister and the pedo

lemonybiscuits · 01/12/2022 18:03

You are doing the right thing. Does your sister have children?

Also you said you can't talk to anyone in real life... hopefully you can find someone you trust to talk to. You have no reason to be ashamed, what happened with your sister and her partner is absolutely not a reflection on you and no one would judge you.

OutFortheBirds · 01/12/2022 18:03

Your kids are your priority. So you’re right. Your livelihood which allows you to provide for them is also a priority. If the rest of your family would rather compromise your kids safety and family security, T hat’s THEIR choice. That’s THEIR behaviour which is excluding you and your kids. So don’t let your mother/SD/sis turn that on you. You’ve done the right thing - there’s no other option that’s right or safe.

Also, if they want to spend their money housing someone with such convictions- leave them to it. Their money.

Soothsayer1 · 01/12/2022 18:06

one thing that concerns me is if it goes wrong for your parents in some way they (being unable to tolerate they or your sister being in the wrong) may seek to blame you. This is why I think it's important to keep a record of all comms, try not to have any cross words, dont attack them, just state your position and stand by it.

LadyHarmby · 01/12/2022 18:10

You’re in the right but I think a couple of your comments to them are a bit unnecessary, as you’re goading them into a reaction. If you’re going to continue any kind of relationship with them, you’ll have to agree not to discuss it at all.

Lochjeda · 01/12/2022 18:10

They could all happily get to fuck if they continued to support a pedo and pedo sympathiser if they were my family.

WhatNapkinRing · 01/12/2022 18:14

You are doing the right thing, they are completely untrustworthy so you could never risk your children being with them. Even is you nipped to the loo for a few minutes they could say something to try and normalise him.

ThatGirlInACountrySong · 01/12/2022 18:15

He got 3 months??

drpet49 · 01/12/2022 18:18

35965a · 01/12/2022 17:16

Your family are utter garbage, you are truly better off and safer keeping them at a distance.

This. Your mum is a piece of work

Blargh · 01/12/2022 18:19

Very, very painful for you, you have my sympathy, but you are doing the right thing. It is amazing how easily people can be manipulated. Hopefully your Mum will come around but until then, stay strong and mind yourself.

magma32 · 01/12/2022 18:26

i would go nc and not look back tbh.

it seems like step dad is prioritising his daughter and leave you to rot, I wonder if he was your bio dad too would he back you up a bit, and your mother obv will choose him if she has to and doesn’t want to lose her husband. That’s just my opinion.
i personally think these people are aren’t worth bothering about, treating you as the criminal.

hattie43 · 01/12/2022 18:30

I had a friend who was in the same situation as you , his BIL was convicted of child sexual abuse and storing thousands of child images . They had the family summit and his sister began separation/ divorce proceedings. There was never a chance he would be forgiven . Unfortunately because of the crime it was in the papers and sister did have nasty comments from the locals that she would have known .

WakingUpDistress · 01/12/2022 18:33

You are right but you are also antagonising them. There was no need to say anything about setting up your dsister in a flat and associating that with her moving a paedophile in.
Unless you mean that everyone is expecting her fiancé (or ex Fiancé?) will be moving back in when he comes out of prison?

It also feels like you e played the ‘abandonment card’ to your mum yourself tbh.

Bottom line for me is that your dsister isn’t someone you can trust re your dcs etc…
Youll have to make a choice on what you can accept or nit behaviour wise from your parents. But you won’t win anything trying to convince them their dd behaviour is awful. You can’t carry in making snappy comments about your dsister. You’ll have to accept they have a different view if things (even though I agree, I’d struggle to forgive someone who put my dcs in danger from a paedophile!)

Calmdown14 · 01/12/2022 18:42

Okay, just for some balance....

You are absolutely right about the fiancee but I wonder if you are seen as being overly harsh towards your sister (not him).

Your professional knowledge means that you cut through the nonsense and know the excuses - and you understand that for it to get to court there must be evidence. Your sister is more easily manipulated.

While you are in the right, the demand for a family meeting did stick out for me. Perhaps it's just your wording here but it does sound like you don't trust her to make her own decisions (may well be true and fully deserved but most adults wouldn't like this)

Has anyone actually said he's moving in or are they supporting your sister to start over? I might be pissed off of you made that assumption and scolded me for it without ascertaining the facts.

Perhaps you need to separate out the being right from doing it in such an authoritarian way.

Have you asked how your sister is? These aren't her crimes and lots of people fall for these kind of men because they are good at lying.

You need her to never see him again (for her sake too) but maybe a more calm and gentle approach might get better results. Her feeling attacked will push her back to his narrative

Schnooze · 01/12/2022 18:50

Does she realise she can never have children with this man?

sqirrelfriends · 01/12/2022 18:59

It’s easier for them to pretend it didn’t happen/ he was set up/it’s not a big deal so that’s what they’re doing. Your parents are one thing (and still completely in the wrong), but your sister wanting a relationship with him is something else. I can’t see how anyone could be attracted to a man like this.

As an aside, I think people that think this way need to be told exactly the level of abuse these images contain. I doubt they would want to have anything to do with him if they knew the kinds of things he was getting off to.