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How would you read this scenario?

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AMelko · 30/11/2022 03:06

Hi All. To anyone who might take the time to read my thread and offer feedback, thank you in advance.

A little background: I’m early 40s, divorced, and just came out of a LDR about 8 months ago. There is a female that works at a place that I frequent nearly daily (where I work and live is within minutes of her place of work). I knew her from a say hello standpoint for a year or more before we started talking a little more friendly. I always thought she was cute, but since I was in a LDR at the time, the thought of pursuing anything further wasn’t something that I had considered.

Earlier this summer, her and I began to chat more, and this is probably because I started initiating more discussion with her. She always seemed engaged in our discussion and, at times, when I felt as if I was running out of things to say, it seemed as if she would make a point of keeping the conversation going. On one occasion I brought her a coffee. On a separate occasion, I came across a small item at a store that she had mentioned that she was looking for during one of her discussions and I gave that to her as well. In both instances, she seemed both appreciative and receptive. One day, she returned the favor by purchasing my lunch as a thank you.

Sometime shortly thereafter, I was talking with one of her employees and that person mentioned that she has a boyfriend that she lives with. To be clear, I never inquired, and it was just by chance that this was actually mentioned. A part of me was surprised because, despite our numerous conversations, she had never mentioned a boyfriend. Another part of me wasn’t surprised because I always thought she was too pretty and good-natured to be single. In addition to my fear of rejection, my reservations about whether she had a boyfriend or not is actually what kept me from asking her out during this month and a half or so period that we had began to chat more (although I did come close to asking on a couple of occasions). Anyway, shortly after learning this I was talking with her one day and she mentioned that she was about to take a trip. I decided to push a bit and said, “So, it’s just you going?” to which she finally replied that she was going with her boyfriend. From that point forward, I decided to just back off.
IRONICALLY, over the next month or so, I ran into her on several occasions dining alone outside at a nearby café while on her lunch break. Her being there would usually catch me off guard and, often times, what I expected to be a quick hello would turn into 20 mins to an hour of discussion on a variety of topics (family, career, exercise, hobbies, etc.).

Again, she always seemed receptive and engaged in the discussion (and still no further mention of the boyfriend). Shortly after these several encounters, she was out sick for a week and I was traveling more for work. Over the next month or so, our discussion was very limited.

On or around Halloween, our communication picked back up some. Around this time, she mentioned to me that she came across something at a shop that she got for me because it reminded her of a discussion that she and I had (and it was another way of saying thanks again for the couple of things that I had bought her a couple months back). A week or two later she texted me one evening and asked if I would want to meet her outside her work so she could give me this gift (which turned out to be very sweet gift). Her and I ended up talking that night for about an hour.

A few things that I didn’t mention in the above: She always does seems to make a point of smiling and saying hi any time that she sees me. For a while this past summer, it seemed as if her and I would make eye contact frequently even when not speaking direct. Her job is pretty busy so while at work our discussion is usually pretty limited. Without getting into the details, she got my number from someone at one point and on occasion will send me a text (typically humorous little things). I rarely ever initiate the discussion and just leave that in her court. There is a 10 year age gap between us (early 40s, early 30s). Our discussion has always remained above board, so to speak. Nothing sexual. One day we were talking and I complimented her appearance in response to a comment she made. She seemed to appreciate the compliment. One point she said I was built like someone that I think most men would find complimentary in nature.

TL;DR – I like a woman with a boyfriend who on occasion seems like she might like me. Perhaps she doesn’t. Perhaps it’s just in my head and/or she’s just being friendly. To be clear, I don’t intend to pursue a relationship with a woman who has a boyfriend, however; if that scenario ever doesn’t work out, she is definitely someone I am attracted to and would like to get to know better.

I have went back and forth as to whether she sees me as just a friend, or if it’s possible that she might like me beyond that. I would lean toward the former, but I honestly don’t know.

Does this sound like she is just being friendly, or is it possible that it could be more?

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Shoxfordian · 30/11/2022 03:15

She seems a bit shady; she didn’t really want to tell you she had a boyfriend. Probably best to distance yourself from that and date someone who’s actually single

CheeseIsMyPatronus · 30/11/2022 03:29

Back off.

She’s a normal human being who likes chatting with you but that doesn’t mean she wants to shag you. You do know we are actual human beings who can be pals and not just potential sex partners, right?

wineNcheeseifYplease · 30/11/2022 03:32

I also think she's just being friendly and sees you as a nice person to chat with/friend.

If that's uncomfortable for you because you have feelings for her, then I'd try to dial it down a bit.

AMelko · 30/11/2022 03:34

Yes. I fully get and agree that she is a normal human being. She's actually a really nice person. I didn't say that she wanted to shag me. I genuinely don't know how she sees me. That's why I'm here asking for feedback. For what it's worth, she isn't someone that I'm trying to throw some game at and get her in bed. I actually like her, but unfortunately for me she has a boyfriend.

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AMelko · 30/11/2022 03:40

@ shoxfordian - I always found her not mentioning the boyfriend sooner a bit off. I wouldn't say she's "shady" at all, but it just seemed like we had enough discussion about enough topics that "my boyfriend and I" could have been thrown in somewhere. I get that she doesn't have to tell me anything. I'm just curious why that wouldn't have been disclosed sooner .. or since.

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CheeseIsMyPatronus · 30/11/2022 03:42

AMelko · 30/11/2022 03:34

Yes. I fully get and agree that she is a normal human being. She's actually a really nice person. I didn't say that she wanted to shag me. I genuinely don't know how she sees me. That's why I'm here asking for feedback. For what it's worth, she isn't someone that I'm trying to throw some game at and get her in bed. I actually like her, but unfortunately for me she has a boyfriend.

Then treat her that way. She is a friendly person who regards you with warmth as a fellow human she likes and respects.

Would you treat a younger male colleague who chats with you this way?

It’s not “unfortunate” that she has a boyfriend, ffs. You’re an older guy she works with that she gets on with. Get a grip.

AMelko · 30/11/2022 03:43

Thanks @wineNcheeseifYplease I'm going to assume that is probably the case too and move forward with this train of thought. I wouldn't not talk to her just because I like her. I'll just look at the situation differently going forward. Thanks for the feeback.

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CheeseIsMyPatronus · 30/11/2022 03:45

I'm just curious why that wouldn't have been disclosed sooner .. or since

Holy shit.

You basically want her to declare her availability or otherwise in a work environment.

In what way is that appropriate or necessary?

WORK. IS. NOT. YOUR. DATING. POOL.

AMelko · 30/11/2022 03:48

@CheeseIsMyPatronus lol You're a tough crowd .. but noted! For the record, her and I don't work together. Regarding your question about the male colleague, I'm guessing I wouldn't view it the same. And I'm not saying that it's unfortunate for her that she has a boyfriend. I'm saying it's unfortunate for me because I happen to like her. With all that said, I do respect your blunt point, though.

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AMelko · 30/11/2022 03:50

@CheeseIsMyPatronus CheeseIsMyPatronus

Again, her and I don't work together. Most of our lengthier conversations haven't even been inside her place of work. Sorry if I wasn't more clear.

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Plingston · 30/11/2022 05:31

Well, I think how she feels about you is probably irrelevant since she has a boyfriend. The time you're spending thinking about an unavailable woman could be better spent pursuing a viable relationship.

My brother in law had a 'nice friend' who he would have liked a relationship with, but it was quite obvious to everybody else that she just liked the ego boost of having him around, making her feel special and desirable.

People flirt with others, even when they're in a relationship. I would try to put this to the back of your mind and focus on other things. If she becomes single in the future, you could pursue something then. I see it as a nice, flattering interaction for her but all this wondering and time wasting isn't so great for you.

I would imagine she knows that you fancy her. Most women can tell!

AMelko · 30/11/2022 06:02

Plingston · 30/11/2022 05:31

Well, I think how she feels about you is probably irrelevant since she has a boyfriend. The time you're spending thinking about an unavailable woman could be better spent pursuing a viable relationship.

My brother in law had a 'nice friend' who he would have liked a relationship with, but it was quite obvious to everybody else that she just liked the ego boost of having him around, making her feel special and desirable.

People flirt with others, even when they're in a relationship. I would try to put this to the back of your mind and focus on other things. If she becomes single in the future, you could pursue something then. I see it as a nice, flattering interaction for her but all this wondering and time wasting isn't so great for you.

I would imagine she knows that you fancy her. Most women can tell!

Thanks for your input, Plingston. Everything that you said sounds accurate and is probably sound advice. I was probably making something out of nothing. And you’re right. She probably does know that I like her.

For whatever the reasons (boyfriend aside), this was just a tougher situation for me to read. Or perhaps I was just reading what I hoped was the case.

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CockSpadget · 30/11/2022 06:13

I agree with Plingston, she definitely knows you like her, and she is enjoying the ego boost. I’ve done exactly the same in my younger, (more attractive) days.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 30/11/2022 06:43

She knows you fancy her , probably fancies you back and has a boyfriend

so it’s waste of time

get out there and find someone freeee

Plingston · 30/11/2022 06:46

She probably does like you, or she wouldn't be investing time into this and enjoying the attention. I doubt you're reading that wrong. Just not enough to leave her boyfriend for you or consider it as anything more serious. You're a nice, harmless boost.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, it's not meant to. I just didn't want you to think you've been foolish or are picking up on signals which don't exist. I can sometimes tell that men in relationships fancy me. It doesn't mean anything and I don't encourage it but I don't think it's unusual.

girlmom21 · 30/11/2022 06:58

Even if she split with her boyfriend now, would you be interested in pursuing a relationship with her when you know how she communicates with other men when in a relationship?

girlmom21 · 30/11/2022 06:59

Sorry I'm just assuming you're a man but could be wrong

Rainbowcat99 · 30/11/2022 07:12

Ugh!! I lost any sympathy for you after this:
"I always thought she was too pretty and good-natured to be single"
Being in a relationship isn't a prize for being nice enough and attractive enough Confused

In relation to the rest, she knows you like her, she's having fun chatting to you and enjoying the attention but that's it.

And no, your work colleagues don't owe you an explanation of their relationship status.

Sonervousimgonnathrowup · 30/11/2022 07:22

She’s friendly because that’s wha one does with people they are friends/acquaintance with.

Since you didn’t ask her out in the beginning she mistook your friendliness and thought you were safe.

Sadly, you were nothing but an average man, with ulterior motives. And to make it even worse, a cliché of a man - going after woman decade younger than himself.

Poor woman.

I’m not sure why you are here feeling sorry for yourself.

knittingaddict · 30/11/2022 07:50

You lost me at the "too pretty and good-natured to be single" bit.

Lobelia123 · 30/11/2022 08:01

I think maybe you're overthinking this.

She's not necessarily a villain or a player. Maybe she genuinely likes you - as a colleague and friend or interesting person. Enjoying your company and appreciating you as a great person, doesnt automatically infer that she's interested in you in a romantic way. When youre in a relationship, its not uncommon to not see and deal with people as potential partners, but as human beings. She may not speak about her boyfriend because she keeps her personal and professional lives separate and doesnt like to mix the two. I do this - my relationship is precious and something that stands seperate and away from the stuff I do at the office and I like to keep it private. That makes me very weird in an office where everything is minutely thrashed over and over-shared. So maybe she's the same - not hiding a relationship or stringing you along, but being nice and trying to relate to you as a cool person, and keeping her private life private.

In any case, I dont think from what Ive read that shes done anything inappropriate or necessarily wrong. Youre the one who has feelings and keeps trying to read things into her actions and make this into something it quite evidently isnt. At the very most, shes enjoying a very very mild office flirtation with you thats pretty innocent. Get a hold of yourself, remind yourself of the boundaries, and let it go.

WindyHedges · 30/11/2022 08:04

She’s an ordinary human being who likes you as a person. That’s it.

Women are allowed to have friends and be friendly- even with men - and for it to have NOTHING to do with “romantic” feelings or sexual attraction.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 30/11/2022 08:05

"I always thought she was too pretty and good-natured to be single"

That's a 1950s viewpoint! Many of my friends - and me - are single by choice for the moment. None of us are mingers.

MysteriesOfTheOrganism · 30/11/2022 08:15

Perhaps other people are very different. When I'm chatting to people I frequently mention my partner. We did this last weekend, we did that, I enjoyed that thing on Netflix last night, but my partner wasn't impressed, we're wondering where to go on holiday... If you're in a relationship your lives are intertwined - some more than others, true - and that inevitably will emerge in conversation. So in my book, she deliberately withheld the existence of a bf. So she likes you, enjoys your companionship, but probably isn't interested in more - and also perhaps realises that mentioning a bf would likely jeopardise that.

CheeseIsMyPatronus · 30/11/2022 10:07

@AMelko I am a tough crowd because I was that younger colleague in my 20s (not saying I claim to be pretty or anything).

I had a number of male colleagues who didn’t initially try it on, who chatted to me like I was a fully rounded human and not through a ‘male gaze’ prism. I liked them very much because of that. I thought we got on really well. They were a good 6-10 years older than me which at that age felt bloody ancient.

Apparently not, as at some point they each made a pass, or accused me of being a prick tease, or were inappropriate. Gave me a very jaded view of men who befriend younger women colleagues.

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