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We are thinking of marrying...but unsure if we should. How to know?

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Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 08:01

Please could some of you give us some advice, as we are so hesitant and cautious that it may never happen!

Basically, throughout the messy thing that my life has been, there's always been one man who has been there, in the background. He and I are the same age, 2 weeks apart...we have both had various relationships and are now single and in our mid thirties.

I have two small children, he said when I had my second, 'Pencil me in for baby #3' and he does adore my first son - he hasn't met the second, as he is working in Bath and not been 'home' for a long while.

He is starting to analyse himself and is seeking some CBT etc in order to make better sense of his life. He is paying off debts. This is exactly what I'm doing as well - we both had a realisation, separately, that we needed to sort ourselves out.

I have never fancied him although a couple of years ago he confessed that he loves me. I've always found him strange and hard to understand but recently I am seeing the 'real' him, under the shy/immature stuff, and actually loving it - he talks in a way that makes me feel totally real and safe. I am liking that a lot.

I've had some bad relationships and chosen unsuitable men in the past so don't trust my judgment an inch. Sometimes I think he's no way ready to be a partner/father, and find it hard to trust him - is that me, or a warning sign? He will ring me, I'll miss the call then ask if he rang, and he'll say he didn't - because he's too proud to admit it - that winds me up, but I think he is learning? He's always kind and gentle.

He's immature in some ways (bad handwriting, draws cartoons, shy/submissive around women) but utterly mature in other ways and getting moreso all the time.

I would so love to be with someone I could rely on and share it all with - I'd also love the children to have someone around.

He earns very little as a chef/washer up, because he prefers to do a low profile job and spend the nights painting. he is keen to support us but worried he couldn't.

I'm also quite independant, possibly - afraid I'd be too selfish or unuseful as a partner. Above all, afraid of my own inability to trust - because I can't see the wood for the trees.

At this stage in our lives we're not thinking about 'dating' etc but about actually going the whole commitment thing, because that's what we're both after - we think. No point messing about iyswim!

Does this sound plausible? Or do we sound like a couple of f*ckwits, destined to failure?

The fact he's getting insightful and wanting to change seems good to me. I just don't know whether to trust it all.

Helllllpppppppp!

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hanaflower · 31/01/2008 08:06

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Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 08:10

Hmm. I don't think I know what love really is though - that's why I'm scared to say it!

I thought I loved someone once but it was mainly obsession. I didn't respect him really and it was very painful as he was using me.

That can't be love, surely?

This guy, when we talk, I just get this flash of real happiness. Hard to explain it. Like I'm 'home'.

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Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 08:15

Yes, he brings his friends round to play music with me and takes Ds out in the garden, so I get a chance to sing etc without being jumped on...then when he's gone you find packets of chocolate fingers in the fridge

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ZippiBabes · 31/01/2008 08:16

i think it would be very impul;sive to marry him

why not just date him and see how it goes

nothing in your op makes it sound like marrying would be a good idea

marriage is a big commitment and really you need to find out if you could be togehter and be happy first

your op is very unconvincing

Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 08:16
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ZippiBabes · 31/01/2008 08:19

i don't really understand why you are feeling so hasty

about marrying

moopymoo · 31/01/2008 08:20

it sounds like there is some promising stuff between you. But...just because you both want commitment doesnt imho mean that you should miss out all the steps in between. you need to date first esp as you have children. taking it slowly protects you all and means that in the long run there is more chance of it succeeding. plus you need to fancy him i reckon - this can come with time but needs to be there.

fishie · 31/01/2008 08:21

is there something you've missed out? i don't understand why you need to get married either. he hasn't even met one of your children!

fishie · 31/01/2008 08:23

yes, you need to do some courting.

MeMySonAndI · 31/01/2008 08:23

No, you are finding him agreeable but you don't love him, at least not yet.

LadyVictorianSqualor · 31/01/2008 08:25

FA, you don't need marriage to give yourself the security you need and crave.

Do you even fancy him? You have described him like someone would describe their brother.

chopchopbusybusy · 31/01/2008 08:25

I think the relationship does have potential but I'd suggest moving in together first and see how it goes.

Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 08:27

He's just always been there. His family lives here and he grew up here, the same as me. He's never given up on me despite my being antisocial for years at a time. He seems to adore me in a non-conditional way.

I suppose I long for 'permission' to just relax and accept the love he wants to give, allow myself to step into it - perhaps that just means I'm desperate. I am pretty dysfunctional so I don't know if I love him. I wouldn't know it if it hit me in the face.

All my previous partners have been a disaster and I don't want to do that again.

It doesn't matter that he hasn't met my baby yet...imo. He has more than shown his ability to love my other child over the years.

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Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 08:29

I fancy him when we talk like that. It feels right.
I didn't before I think because he was so shy and strange, he would just giggle a lot (sounds weird!) and was afraid to talk like he really wanted to, but since he started to I do fancy him, yes.

It's all in the mind, for me. Plus he is nice looking, tall, interesting, etc etc. and brings cake.

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warthog · 31/01/2008 08:30

you're talking about it as if it would be an arranged marriage. have a relationship first and then see.

and always trust your instincts.

Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 08:31

Feels like an arranged marriage doesn't it? Which tbh I think I'd find helpful. I am no good at choosing my own...

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LadyVictorianSqualor · 31/01/2008 08:31

But FA, what if you did get togetehr with him and then you met someone that blew you away? Especially someone who you had strong sexual feeling towards, the intimacy this relationship would lack may not be a strong enough base to keep you there.
I think it would be a case of settling for second best, which isn't fair on either of you, from what you have said it's not as if you're goign to lose his support and friendship if you don't get together.
IMO, it's a very strong friendship, and you're looking for someone to be more than that, as he ahs previouslt told you how much he cares you are thinking that mayeb you should try it, because you know you care for him etc, but how ever good it sounds, I really think it's a recipe for disaster.

warthog · 31/01/2008 08:31

you don't need to be married to accept his love.

Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 08:31

Crossed posts!

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LadyVictorianSqualor · 31/01/2008 08:35

AH, Well, you do fancy him, so part of my post doesnt really make sense! I do think that maybe he can offer something you're looking for rather than being the someone??

chocolateteapot · 31/01/2008 08:37

I'm a bit suspicious of this bringing you cake bit you tacked on the end further down. It gives the impression that you are scrabbling around to find reasons why you should like him !

Agree with the others, try dating him for a bit and see how you get on rather then jump in there and get married.

warthog · 31/01/2008 08:38

tbh, i think you have the same reaction as me when you're not sure about something. you want to secure it. but in this instance, i personally feel you would regret it.

if after he comes home, you start a relationship, perhaps live together for a while and still feel that you could spend your life with him, then definitely go for it. right now, there are too many unknowns.

how would you feel in 10 years time if you go to parent's evening at school and he does his giggling / immature thing?

it seems to me that you're also basing a relationship on the person he might become, after some therapy / soul searching. i doubt that he's suddenly going to morph into the man you imagine.

LadyVictorianSqualor · 31/01/2008 08:44

FA, sorry I'm posting rather a lot on this! But, after I split with my DC's dad I met a really great guy, he was funny, smart, good looking, easygoing, everything I hadn't had in my past bad relationships.

We started seeing each other, and I couldn't fault him, I could've quite easily settled for him but I knew inside that even though he was great and what I would've asked for on paper, it just wasn't there, I still can't put my finger on why it wasn;t the right relationship for me, there were times I thoguht that maybe it was better to be with him and have thateasy comfortable relationship than be in another hardcore intense one that fucked up my head.

I'm no longer with him, and have met someone who is wonderful, someone I have never had to question if I should be with him or not.
To me, your situation sounds similar, he's a great guy, you fancy him, you know he would make a good father/husband so you're wondering why not to? Whereas IME if you ahve to ask, thats enough of a reason.
HTH.

Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 08:52

Thanks girls. It makes better sense now. I think you're right, VS - and athnks for posting rather a lot, it's helpful! - that if I am questioning whether we should or not, that is probably a sign that we shouldn't.

Hard not to cling to any port in a storm, isn't it though?

I guess I have some more work to do on improving my own sense of self/security before jumping into it with someone equally 'not there yet'.

Thanks so much for all your help and honesty

Chocolateteapot! Why is cake not a good reason!!!!!!

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