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We are thinking of marrying...but unsure if we should. How to know?

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Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 08:01

Please could some of you give us some advice, as we are so hesitant and cautious that it may never happen!

Basically, throughout the messy thing that my life has been, there's always been one man who has been there, in the background. He and I are the same age, 2 weeks apart...we have both had various relationships and are now single and in our mid thirties.

I have two small children, he said when I had my second, 'Pencil me in for baby #3' and he does adore my first son - he hasn't met the second, as he is working in Bath and not been 'home' for a long while.

He is starting to analyse himself and is seeking some CBT etc in order to make better sense of his life. He is paying off debts. This is exactly what I'm doing as well - we both had a realisation, separately, that we needed to sort ourselves out.

I have never fancied him although a couple of years ago he confessed that he loves me. I've always found him strange and hard to understand but recently I am seeing the 'real' him, under the shy/immature stuff, and actually loving it - he talks in a way that makes me feel totally real and safe. I am liking that a lot.

I've had some bad relationships and chosen unsuitable men in the past so don't trust my judgment an inch. Sometimes I think he's no way ready to be a partner/father, and find it hard to trust him - is that me, or a warning sign? He will ring me, I'll miss the call then ask if he rang, and he'll say he didn't - because he's too proud to admit it - that winds me up, but I think he is learning? He's always kind and gentle.

He's immature in some ways (bad handwriting, draws cartoons, shy/submissive around women) but utterly mature in other ways and getting moreso all the time.

I would so love to be with someone I could rely on and share it all with - I'd also love the children to have someone around.

He earns very little as a chef/washer up, because he prefers to do a low profile job and spend the nights painting. he is keen to support us but worried he couldn't.

I'm also quite independant, possibly - afraid I'd be too selfish or unuseful as a partner. Above all, afraid of my own inability to trust - because I can't see the wood for the trees.

At this stage in our lives we're not thinking about 'dating' etc but about actually going the whole commitment thing, because that's what we're both after - we think. No point messing about iyswim!

Does this sound plausible? Or do we sound like a couple of f*ckwits, destined to failure?

The fact he's getting insightful and wanting to change seems good to me. I just don't know whether to trust it all.

Helllllpppppppp!

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Lulumama · 31/01/2008 08:54

he sounds lovely, kind , caring , considerate

but a bit flaky and possibly someone who would go out to buy a pint of milk , get distracted and go off travelling for 6 months without a backward glance

i don;t see how you can think of marriage before you have dated, got to know each other and lived together .... the reality of living with a gentle soul, who loves music and painting, but cannot pay the rent or afford nappies might be very different to how you imagine it

i know material stability is not the be all and end all,but there does not seem to be a meeting of minds, or a magnetism or a sexual attraction

just seems he is a nice guy who you like, who you think will treat you nicely.

date him

but way too soon for marriage

and he must, must get to know both children , that is a given before any plans for long term commitments are put in place

IMO

Lulumama · 31/01/2008 08:56

also, i can understand why a kind and gentle man would appeal after the last few years, but if you are having to ask and you are unsure, i think the answer is there.

Anna8888 · 31/01/2008 08:59

No, no, no - don't marry. NO.

Live together for a while and then have a baby together if it feels right.

Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 08:59

about the pint of milk/gap year scenario!!! (do you know him, Lulu?!)

There is certainly a magnetism, though I didn't describe it too well..sexual attraction is always there one way I think, sometimes the other...might not be enough.

Not sure about the meeting of minds. That would be crucial for me which is why I'm hanging back.

Oh heck.
You're right Lulu. You always are!

I still have Mumsnet. I can buy myself cake.

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Dropdeadfred · 31/01/2008 09:00

FA, don't you daresell yourselh short. You deserve the whole deal, fireworks and all. You aresuch a nice person and he sounds like a lovely friend..but you need someone who makes you feel wonderful, not just safe and sensible iykwim

It will happen.

Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 09:02

How do you all know though when it is right? I ask because I don't trust myself - things have felt 'right' before and just weren't. They were really wrong in fact.

You are so lucky to be able to trust yourselves and your judgment. I wish I had that. How do you learn it? Say if your parents were a bit 'settled for' each other, and you want to be really happy - how do you learn to find that?

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Hecate · 31/01/2008 09:02

I met a man. That same night we and he simply stayed at my place from that moment on. We got married 3 months later, moved 200 miles away from my home town. 14 months after we were married ds1 was born. 15 months after that, ds2. We will be celebrating 10 years of marriage in March.

So quick, impulsive - foolish, if you will - can work very well.

But.

Never. Not once. Did I EVER sit and wonder if I was doing the right thing.

I was doing the ONLY thing.

Do you see?

LadyVictorianSqualor · 31/01/2008 09:02

FA, Friends can buy cake, he doesnt have to be your husband to do that.

Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 09:02

Thanks DDF You're very kind!

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themildmanneredjanitor · 31/01/2008 09:03

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Lulumama · 31/01/2008 09:04

who needs men!!

i went out with a guy like that, jolly good fun when you are 16/17, not so much when you are older, wiser and have two DCs to think about

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Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 09:04

I see Hecate, that sounds beautiful...

It felt like that with Ds1's father, but he was alreayd married and I got that really wrong, in oh so many ways.

He was the one I lived and breathed for and could not question, but that was all wrong.

Do you get where I'm coming from? I don't think I can trust myself.

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Hecate · 31/01/2008 09:05

did you want me TMMJ? or was that oy what a daft thing to do?

LadyVictorianSqualor · 31/01/2008 09:05

IME, When the pain is more than the joy, it's not right, no matter how right it feels, love and happiness shouldnt make you worried, insecure, paranoid, scared, sad, etc which all my shite relationships have made me feel, even though they were sometimes combined with really intense feelings of it being 'right'.

When you ahve a relationship similar to the on you have described with this man, the comfort, the security, the feelings that theyll understand you no matter what, and never ever judge you, and you dont have to ask if it's right, because you know it's a silly question, then it's right.

moopymoo · 31/01/2008 09:06

Learning to trust yourself and really listen to your own inner voice can be a long process. really, i could write an essay on it and get all poncy about locus of evaluation (am trainee counsellor dontch know)but counselling might be a good place to look at this stuff.

Lulumama · 31/01/2008 09:06

DH and i got engaged 3 weeks after we met, moved in together 5 months later ( i was finishing a post grad course when we met,so could not move cities....) we got married the following summer and i got pregnant that winter.

i just knew

i knew i did not want to grow old with anyone else, i knew i would regret not spending my life with him, it was as clear as day, no doubts, no second thoughts, it was like a lightining bolt of clarity

we have been together 11 years and married for almost 10

Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 09:06

Bless you Lulu!

Hecate hope you're Ok, just seen other thread x

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LadyVictorianSqualor · 31/01/2008 09:09

I'm another one who rushed into things with DP, we spoke every day for hours and hours before we actually met, my heart skipped a beat when I saw him sign in on msn (we met online) and then after a month we met in person, within about six weeks we had moved in together, I even moved to a different town to be with him, and now 18months later I am 30weeks pg!

Flllightattendant · 31/01/2008 09:10

Moopymoo - does that mean, a sort of point from which you make a judgment? As in, where you can see things clearly from?

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LadyVictorianSqualor · 31/01/2008 09:12

I'd say it was your inner voice that was making you ask the question, so it's obviously there somewhere.

IndigoViolet · 31/01/2008 09:12

I moved in with dh 5 weeks after we met and got married 6 months later. He is kind and lovely and reliable and all those things but I also love him madly and with a passion. I knew after about a week that I wanted to spend my life with him.

The difference for you is that you have known this bloke for years and years and I think that might prevent you having those mind blowing feelings but it doesn't mean your relationship won't work. Would you consider living with him?

Ask yourself how you would feel if he met someone else. Would you just shrug your shoulders and move on or would you be devastated?

warthog · 31/01/2008 09:15

i knew the first moment i clapped eyes on my dh. have not questioned it since.

how do you know when you've met the right person? you don't have to ask that question.

Lulumama · 31/01/2008 09:15

maybe you need to meditate on this?

seriously, you need to think clearly and rationally, you can be as black and white about it as making a list of pros and cons

did he suggest marriage or did you?

moopymoo · 31/01/2008 09:18

ok FA you did ask...
if you have a strongly internalized locus of evaluation then you can really hear and respond to your inner voice. i agree that it is this inner voice (organismic self) that is making you question your situation. If (like many of us ) your locus of evaluation is strongly externalized, you find it hard to trust yourself and your judgements and tend to cast around looking at your other experiences and asking for approval/advice from others to help you make decisions. looking at things that are hiding your inner voice (bad past experiences, other negative influences) can help offer some clarity. Carl Rogers- A Way of Being says this clearer thanme if you are interested.