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Is this relationship salvageable? Dogs are making me so cross!

103 replies

Muniononion · 19/11/2022 16:45

I love my girlfriend very much, she brings joy, fun, excitement and happiness to mine and my children’s lives. She is a real free spirit whereas I’m more homely and stable. This has some challenges but overall we communicate well. We’ve been together 2.5 yrs, living together for last six months in a flat I was in before we met.

She has had two dogs since I met her. They’re cute and great with children. I like/liked them but now I’m struggling with them so much, I literally want them gone but I’ll lose her too.

The dogs are very badly behaved, jump up on us when we walk in a room, follow us everywhere even to the toilet, bark constantly (when my girlfriend hugs me they get angry), huff at us when we don’t give them food off our plates, sit there begging, bark loudly at everyone who comes to the door or even walks past, scream barking at other dogs when out and pull at the lead, don’t walk in a straight line etc. I could go on.

What’s far worse though is the lack of hygiene.
They eat my children’s sweets/chocolates and then vomit all over the house (I’ve been blamed for leaving the food out?!) I should clean the sick up and not mention it apparently. They piss all over my youngest’s bedroom, on his bed. They shit sometimes in the bathrooms. The small boy dog came back from a walk and wiped his arse on my pillows. I watched dumbfounded then changed the sheets, on a boil wash. Their hair gets everywhere, in our food and all over bedsheets. I don’t want them on them bed, and still they go on when I’m not there.

My girlfriend says this is part and parcel of living with dogs, and I should just get on with it as she cleans up after my kids. In fact I should stop mentioning it and quietly clean up, even me checking for a dogshit can cause a row. My kids can be badly behaved but in general are very good. They make a mess, but not unhygienic and I fully expect that I’m the person who tidies up after them, including me cleaning their toilet up. She occasionally cleans their toilet or does the washing up and throws this at me as ammunition when we argue about the dogs. The hair is enough to need hoovering every day, she has done it twice since moving in?

Yesterday the dog urinated in my son’s bedroom again, this was my fault as I was wfh and should have taken him out. I don’t want this responsibility. She said today she would leave them in the flat again all day as she’s working but I’m going out. I said she needs a plan as can’t keep leaving them alone all day. When I got back from my day I had to take them out, I don’t want this additional chore.

I really just want her to take total responsibility for the dogs. She wants to be able to leave them in the flat on their own and I take them out when I get back. I don’t know am I being unfair? She feels I’m making her uncomfortable. I’m so cross I can’t think straight. I don’t know if our relationship can survive this feels so fundamental.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 19/11/2022 19:33

I think it is time for what I’ve seen called a “Come to Jesus” talk with your girlfriend, @Muniononion - where you tell her exactly how you are feeling about this situation with the dogs, and tell her that, unless things change, this issue will destroy the relationship. One last chance - if she honestly commits to training her dogs and cleaning up after them, then maybe the relationship will survive - sadly it sounds as if she is unlikely to accept what you are saying, and if she does, and commits to change, I’m afraid she won’t stick to it.

Bottom line is that your children deserve to grow up in a clean home, not one where there is dog urine, dog poo and vomit. And you deserve to be relaxed in your own home, not stressed about the dogs and their bad behaviour.

Suzi888 · 19/11/2022 19:33

Oh and if they use the house as a toilet - well god help you!

BecauseICan22 · 19/11/2022 19:40

Muniononion · 19/11/2022 16:45

I love my girlfriend very much, she brings joy, fun, excitement and happiness to mine and my children’s lives. She is a real free spirit whereas I’m more homely and stable. This has some challenges but overall we communicate well. We’ve been together 2.5 yrs, living together for last six months in a flat I was in before we met.

She has had two dogs since I met her. They’re cute and great with children. I like/liked them but now I’m struggling with them so much, I literally want them gone but I’ll lose her too.

The dogs are very badly behaved, jump up on us when we walk in a room, follow us everywhere even to the toilet, bark constantly (when my girlfriend hugs me they get angry), huff at us when we don’t give them food off our plates, sit there begging, bark loudly at everyone who comes to the door or even walks past, scream barking at other dogs when out and pull at the lead, don’t walk in a straight line etc. I could go on.

What’s far worse though is the lack of hygiene.
They eat my children’s sweets/chocolates and then vomit all over the house (I’ve been blamed for leaving the food out?!) I should clean the sick up and not mention it apparently. They piss all over my youngest’s bedroom, on his bed. They shit sometimes in the bathrooms. The small boy dog came back from a walk and wiped his arse on my pillows. I watched dumbfounded then changed the sheets, on a boil wash. Their hair gets everywhere, in our food and all over bedsheets. I don’t want them on them bed, and still they go on when I’m not there.

My girlfriend says this is part and parcel of living with dogs, and I should just get on with it as she cleans up after my kids. In fact I should stop mentioning it and quietly clean up, even me checking for a dogshit can cause a row. My kids can be badly behaved but in general are very good. They make a mess, but not unhygienic and I fully expect that I’m the person who tidies up after them, including me cleaning their toilet up. She occasionally cleans their toilet or does the washing up and throws this at me as ammunition when we argue about the dogs. The hair is enough to need hoovering every day, she has done it twice since moving in?

Yesterday the dog urinated in my son’s bedroom again, this was my fault as I was wfh and should have taken him out. I don’t want this responsibility. She said today she would leave them in the flat again all day as she’s working but I’m going out. I said she needs a plan as can’t keep leaving them alone all day. When I got back from my day I had to take them out, I don’t want this additional chore.

I really just want her to take total responsibility for the dogs. She wants to be able to leave them in the flat on their own and I take them out when I get back. I don’t know am I being unfair? She feels I’m making her uncomfortable. I’m so cross I can’t think straight. I don’t know if our relationship can survive this feels so fundamental.

It's a hard NO from me. No way would I live in such an environment or let my children live like that.

Those poor animals, this is not par for the course with dogs! She's a neglectful owner and she's got filthy habits.

Please move on, easier said than done I know but your living situation made me feel ill to read.

AnnListersBlister · 19/11/2022 19:41

I adore dogs and I couldn't be doing wirh this.

Youre a bit silly to leave food/sweets hanging about near any dog but dogs can usually (no anxiety issues accounted for) be very easily trained to not toilet in the house to not beg and to not bother humans, the latter especially if there's more than one of them! She needs to train them with immediate affect, herself or hire a service, or move out.

My dog hasn't toiletted in the house since i trained her as young puppy. If she's bugging me and I say 'go lie down' she does. There's never any vomit to deal with unless she's eaten something she shoulnt and I do take responsibility for that, it is my fault if that happens. Dogs are hairy and can't really help that but they don't have to be like your gfs two!

Brigante9 · 19/11/2022 19:53

Why hasn’t she trained them? You all love together in a flat? How do you cope? I leave the back door open all day so the dogs have free run, but mine are toilet trained, 1 adult, 2 pups. Rubbing their bum is indicative of worms. When we’re they last wormed? Chocolate can be fatal to dogs, it’s a cumulative effect so may kill them over time.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 19/11/2022 19:54

My girlfriend says this is part and parcel of living with dogs, and I should just get on with it as she cleans up after my kids

Your children will grow up and need less clearing up after (well that's the theory )

Even the best trained dog will become old, a bit less reliable , less able to hold their bladder or bowels ot if senile forget that they need to go out .
These dogs aren't even in the best trained catergory so God knows what they'll be like when they're old .

12-16 year lifespan, I'd be out of it personally .

mirrormirroronthewalls · 19/11/2022 19:55

My girlfriend says this is part and parcel of living with dogs

No, it's really not. That's part and parcel of living with dogs who've never been trained. Dog hair kind of comes with the territory, but toileting inside, jumping up at you and most of everything else you mentioned are dogs that have just been allowed to go a bit feral. You also can't leave dogs alone ok and expect them to be ok. They need routine, exercise, outdoor play with other dogs. What you're describing sounds like a pretty miserable existence for a dog.

So, you can either make a plan with your girlfriend, so that she invests in some training and in making changes or you decide whether or not you can live with this.

TheABC · 19/11/2022 19:55

No. No, No, No.

You deserve a clean home, those dogs deserve better than neglect. Tell her to move out and get a dog-walker. She's effectively taken on two children and left them to you to raise.

In this case, free spirit=selfish.

Muniononion · 19/11/2022 20:23

Suzi888 · 19/11/2022 19:31

Does she look after your children in your absence?
If you love her, walk the dogs!
Personally I don’t think a dog should be upstairs/in my bed. I love dogs, I have a dog. But not in my bed. We have hard wood flooring, large rugs and a lovely dog bed for ours.
The dogs have no boundaries, they shouldn’t be in a flat - I know people do but you have to be 100% into it if you have them in a flat.
You love her so you need to suck it up.
Personally I’d get shot of carpet.
They shouldn’t be allowed in kids rooms - get baby gates and teach the kids to use them.
Could a dog walker be a solution?
Id say train them but she won’t be onboard so you don’t have much choice!

Yes on occasion she has looked after my children, this has always been much appreciated. They aren’t easy kids, but when with her they generally chill, play on their switch etc. When she first moved in I was hands on with the dogs, taking them out, cleaning up etc. I felt responsible for them. It has just gone on so long with it being so hard I feel full of resentment.

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winteryblues · 19/11/2022 21:16

Bum rubbing can indicate they need their anal glands doing OP-when was the last time they had that? A much more common occurrence in smaller dogs and can be painful for them if left untreated.

Ohmygoshposh · 19/11/2022 21:30

Put your kids first. The dogs need to go.

isadoradancing123 · 19/11/2022 21:33

This is absolutely not part and parcel of living with a dog

IWasFunBeforeMum · 19/11/2022 21:43

Ridiculous behaviour. She hasn't trained them at all and isn't even embarrassed!

been and done it. · 19/11/2022 22:21

I've had 3 dogs at a time and I can assure you that not one of them behaved like 'your' pair. They have no training or discipline and it's completely unacceptable especially with children in the house. Maybe change the relationship to live close by visit often.

Swiminanglesey · 15/12/2022 02:56

How are you doing @Muniononion

Smallonesaremorejuicy · 15/12/2022 03:37

winteryblues · 19/11/2022 21:16

Bum rubbing can indicate they need their anal glands doing OP-when was the last time they had that? A much more common occurrence in smaller dogs and can be painful for them if left untreated.

Yes this , much more likely blocked anal glands than worms . Could be why they are defecating indoors .

WhaleInAManger · 15/12/2022 04:31

There are so many welfare problems with everything you wrote (for the dogs) and I don't blame you for not wanting to life like that.

Even if the dogs go, you're still left with an irresponsible girlfriend who would allow such suffering.

Winterpetal · 15/12/2022 05:26

My dogs would be the same given a chance ,but we have stair gates to stop them going upstairs and to keep them out of bedrooms and out of the lounge .
we put a pet flap in to give the access to outside all the time.
but mine are small dogs and I admit are a bloody nightmare and have put me of ever having a dog again .
you don’t have to put up with this
it’s your flat
she’s not making any attempt to control them inside
I think she needs to move out and take the dogs with her ,it’s not fair on your children having wee on their beds

Whatifthegrassisblue · 15/12/2022 05:48

That sounds absolutely hideous, I don't know how you've managed to put up with it for so long

RedHelenB · 15/12/2022 06:03

You come across as very selfish. Your poor kids having their rooms pissed in. Yet another parent who jumps into co habitanting with no thought for the practicalities or what their kids need.

Muniononion · 15/12/2022 06:30

Swiminanglesey · 15/12/2022 02:56

How are you doing @Muniononion

Thanks for checking up, my partner has moved out. We are trying to work things out and staying together for now but it’s very tense as I truly feel she has been irresponsible and I am still angry about it. She puts a lot of their behaviour down to my children which is quite heartbreaking as I think it’s more that they’ve never been trained.

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Muniononion · 15/12/2022 06:34

RedHelenB · 15/12/2022 06:03

You come across as very selfish. Your poor kids having their rooms pissed in. Yet another parent who jumps into co habitanting with no thought for the practicalities or what their kids need.

We were together two years before she moved in, I had no idea the dogs would be so difficult, there are lots of reasons I didn’t fully understand this e.g. when we met she only had one, when she got the other one someone would take them regularly who no longer will etc.

The kids loved her and wanted her to move in. I did too, very much as I was totally in love. I made a mistake, kids have been hurt, feeling very guilty about it.

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category12 · 15/12/2022 06:34

I'm glad you're doing OK and she's moved out.

It sounds like she's not taking any responsibility still, tho, and blaming your dc is not on.

Maybe breaking up altogether would be the best outcome.

Muniononion · 15/12/2022 06:38

Winterpetal · 15/12/2022 05:26

My dogs would be the same given a chance ,but we have stair gates to stop them going upstairs and to keep them out of bedrooms and out of the lounge .
we put a pet flap in to give the access to outside all the time.
but mine are small dogs and I admit are a bloody nightmare and have put me of ever having a dog again .
you don’t have to put up with this
it’s your flat
she’s not making any attempt to control them inside
I think she needs to move out and take the dogs with her ,it’s not fair on your children having wee on their beds

I agree that this breed of dog is particularly tricky. I’ve found the younger one responsive to training and the older one not at all, but essentially this breed thinks they’re human and behaves accordingly.

She’s moved out, and says she won’t get dogs again in the future but I don’t really believe her. I think she likes the chaos of these small things leaping around all the time. I know deep down she finds having these dogs a terrible strain, feels stuck that no one else will care for them etc, but she can’t give them up, as she is emotionally tied to them.

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Muniononion · 15/12/2022 06:39

Thank you @category12 - I am being careful to listen to exactly what she says, not just what I want her to say and I tend to agree!

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