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Would I be a friends with benefits? Or the other woman?

75 replies

Twitoo · 14/11/2022 20:07

Need some advice please if this is a non-starter!

I’ve been speaking to a man from tinder for a month now. We’re both looking for a longer term casual partner/friends with benefits type scenario. We’ve arranged dates before but both had to cancel. Both logistically challenged - I’m a single mum with a 3 year old and he’s (supposedly) single with a 7 and 10 year old. my son is with his dad every other weekend and when asked if he has shared care he said they have an informal equal arrangement. Finally arranged to meet Saturday night - he messages a few hours before saying his son is having a sleepover and his ex wants him to be there so he might have to cancel. (Wtf - boundaries? Just say no??)

I’m obviously typing a very long message saying I think it’s going to be just too challenging for us to meet at this point and was a bit peeved I didn’t make other plans for that evening and the ex says no? Whilst I’m typing this long message I get a quick text back saying she’s changed her mind can I do slightly later once they’ve eaten dinner with his sons friend. (We both have iPhones he could see me typing - also mentioned on the date that he felt like I was going to say there’s no point continuing talking which I admitted was the case). I went on the date in the end because otherwise I would have been in doing nothing so thought why not at least it’s future practice.

Anyway on the date he was much better looking in real life, quite intelligent and can hold a decent conversation. It also transpired he’s still living with his ‘ex’ as a family unit but separate bedrooms.

He works in my town, where he moved when they separated (which I knew beforehand) then moved back to the next town along. It turns out that was him moving back into the family home (which happened during covid - she was working and needed more help with the kids during two isolation periods as he was wfh at this point. It went ok so they decided to make it a permanent thing as it was better for the kids and for finances which now with the cost of living make things a bit harder. They own the home together and even got the kids a puppy a couple years ago. They each do their own thing and the kids apparently haven’t really questioned why they have separate rooms, aren’t cuddly etc. the reason she wasn’t happy about him going out (he told her he was out with friends also) was because he didn’t put it in the shared calendar even though he’d reminded her the day prior. They plan to continue this arrangement (likely for the next 5 years or so). Apparently she doesn’t want to lose part of the lifestyle (4 bedroom house garden, playroom holidays etc) in a decent area plus childcare issues if they separate.

Im really dubious about this to be honest. At the end of the date I said I liked him but I can’t shake the feeling he’s still with his ex. We did have a kiss. Asked him if he can show my some evidence then I’ll definitely consider it. He messaged his sister but she didn’t get back to him straight away (it was gone 11 anyway) he woke up to some missed calls apparently she thought something was wrong. He’s explained the situation apparently and is waiting for her to get back again (they aren’t super close) it’s been like 36 hours now.

obviously I am aware of using protection before anyone raises it, I’ve had friends with mixed opinions on this. I’ve asked him if they are still together and he has said no, so I’m ok to continue as I’m not doing anything wrong. And to think about myself (who hasn’t been with anyone in almost two years since my sons dad and could probably use some sex rather than starting the whole vetting process from scratch again. On the other hand it does sound circumspect. I know a lot of people live together after separation but never as a long term arrangement even with school age kids. One is pretty convinced they’re still together and he could be a serial philanderer.

He isn’t interested in anything serious so I don’t believe he’s a cocklodger, the other alternatives are that they might be separated and he’s still actively trying to get back with her, possibly controlling using property ownership as an excuse, or looking for an excuse to separate.

He also mentioned the reason for separation was that she cheated, it came out of the blue and he had no idea she was so unhappy. In my experience men who say their ex cheated turn out to be the cheats.

Im aware even if he’s telling the truth if his kids mum is truly how he sounds she could be a pita if he’s still under her thumb, and how he might try to be the one who dictates/picks and chooses when we see each other. In both of those scenarios I would say bye bye anyway.
He also said he’s quite bad at communication - he is, as am I and I don’t have an excuse but that seems to be a bit of a flag for someone who is having an affair.

I definitely won’t be catching feelings for this man but would enjoy his company so a bit gutted things turned out to be so complicated. There’s always a catch!

What are everyone’s thoughts on this please, am I being fed a complete line, partial truth and is it a good idea to even sleep with him? It’s been a long time but I’m not desperate and can walk away (and go another two years or ten lol). I’m not interested in being a mistress or even inadvertently being the reason children’s lives are destabilised.

Thanks if you made it this far!

OP posts:
Skipsaway · 14/11/2022 20:12

He's feeedng you a line. Don't go there.

Twitoo · 14/11/2022 20:13

Just to add, if he wasn’t telling the truth he could have just lied. That depends on how stupid/desperate he would think I am though, maybe he thought I would pity him somehow.

OP posts:
Swampthing55 · 14/11/2022 20:17

Tldr but I was living with my ex but desperate when me and dp met. Took two years for divorce to go through. We have been together over ten years now. He thought it was iffy too, but it wasn't.

Swampthing55 · 14/11/2022 20:18

Separate not desperate FFS.

Januarcelebration · 14/11/2022 20:19

But he did lie. He wasn’t honest that he lived with his ex.

You already have caught feelings. Why else would you kiss a man who you are pretty sure is in a relationship?

36 hours and his sister hasn’t come back with proof he is separated?

Why not just speak to his ex? If they aren’t together, it’s not a problem is it?

You say ‘I am not doing anything wrong if he says he isn’t with her’ but you know that’s bullshit. You are trying convince yourself that it’s fine.

You know he is with her. Playing innocent ‘well he said he wasn’t’ doesn’t work whilst admitting you are almost certain.

Its all far too complicated even for something casual. You are in to deep already. Or you would have sacked him off.

IDespairOfTheHumanRace · 14/11/2022 20:19

You really have to ask? Read your own thread OP - he's telling you, as plain as day, that he ain't really seperated and you are just a potential shag piece. One of many probably

StickyCricket · 14/11/2022 20:20

Yeah I'd bet this news that they're separated would come as a complete surprise to his "ex".

Comedycook · 14/11/2022 20:21

It also transpired he’s still living with his ‘ex’ as a family unit but separate bedrooms

This old classic, hey?! Lol

tenbob · 14/11/2022 20:23

He is almost certainly not telling you the whole truth

But even if he isn’t lying, at best it will be a FWB taking place entirely at your house - he can’t exactly have you back to his..!

It just doesn’t sound worth the hassle

Ofcourseshecan · 14/11/2022 20:23

Even if they are sort of separated, it's such a loose arrangement that they could change at any time. You'd never know when you'd been downgraded to OW. You'd always have to meet at yours or a hotel, unless you could cope with bumping into his wife/ex in her pyjamas. It sounds impossible to me.

tenbob · 14/11/2022 20:24

Have you had a dig around on social media to find his and her accounts?

Hellopello · 14/11/2022 20:27

Tell him you’re now moving on to dating someone else, Block and move on. He’s not even close to being worth your precious time

MaxTalk · 14/11/2022 20:28

Does this really need spelling out?

Bollocks2that · 14/11/2022 20:32

They spin webs of lies comprising...
We sleep in separate beds
We drifted apart as she had no time for me and we don't get on
We are co-living until we sort something out
Short term arrangement suits the kids

And the rest

SlippingIntoTheTwilightZone · 14/11/2022 20:33

Ask him to invite you back to "his" home for one of your "dates" and see how that goes down.

determinedtomakethiswork · 14/11/2022 20:33

Tell him you want to speak to his wife and get her side of things. I bet she has no idea any of this is happening.

Bollocks2that · 14/11/2022 20:34

Say, "so she won't mind you bringing me round then"? Watch his reaction

Comedycook · 14/11/2022 20:36

Bollocks2that · 14/11/2022 20:34

Say, "so she won't mind you bringing me round then"? Watch his reaction

My bet is he will tell the op that even though they've split up, his ex is crazy so he can't tell her!

Treacletoots · 14/11/2022 20:41

Why do women fall for obviously cheating men time and time again. Use your head OP, please, pull your self respect out of the gutter and have a good think why you deserve so little respect from a potential partner.

pinkfondu · 14/11/2022 20:45

I met a man with a similar story and indeed was true. She bought him out of the house. One of the kids had some additional needs and she had a new boyfriend.

No one here will know if this guy is telling the truth or not though

EarringsandLipstick · 14/11/2022 20:49

Why, oh why, would you go near thus car crash?

Even if he's telling the truth, you want to start any kind of relationship by asking him to offer you proof he is single.

Stop.

Ponderingwindow · 14/11/2022 20:54

If he and his ex are truly separated and he is free to date without drama, then she would be willing to tell you that herself.

ShouldntHaveBeenSoHasty · 14/11/2022 20:56

He’s clearly still with his wife. If you are just after a shag there are plenty of men out there on dating sites that are at least single so won’t be dropping you for their wife or feeding you bullshit constantly.

Have you just started out with online dating? Don’t chat to someone for a month before meeting, it will almost certainly be a waste of time. If you think you might be interested in someone arrange a coffee date asap and take it from there. Until you meet the person none of it is real.

PickledRat · 14/11/2022 21:01

If my brother text me at 11 at night to request confirmation of his relationship status to some girl that he has only just met, I would also wonder what the hell was wrong. Do you not find that behaviour weird on top of everything else!? Just move on, he is living with his wife and kids and sounds like a cheat (and an immature dickhead).

Zanatdy · 14/11/2022 21:05

It does happen, you see on here a lot women who still live in the family home for a while. Not sure I’d be too happy with this being an arrangement for the next few years though. Probably better to get out now.