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Would I be a friends with benefits? Or the other woman?

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Twitoo · 14/11/2022 20:07

Need some advice please if this is a non-starter!

I’ve been speaking to a man from tinder for a month now. We’re both looking for a longer term casual partner/friends with benefits type scenario. We’ve arranged dates before but both had to cancel. Both logistically challenged - I’m a single mum with a 3 year old and he’s (supposedly) single with a 7 and 10 year old. my son is with his dad every other weekend and when asked if he has shared care he said they have an informal equal arrangement. Finally arranged to meet Saturday night - he messages a few hours before saying his son is having a sleepover and his ex wants him to be there so he might have to cancel. (Wtf - boundaries? Just say no??)

I’m obviously typing a very long message saying I think it’s going to be just too challenging for us to meet at this point and was a bit peeved I didn’t make other plans for that evening and the ex says no? Whilst I’m typing this long message I get a quick text back saying she’s changed her mind can I do slightly later once they’ve eaten dinner with his sons friend. (We both have iPhones he could see me typing - also mentioned on the date that he felt like I was going to say there’s no point continuing talking which I admitted was the case). I went on the date in the end because otherwise I would have been in doing nothing so thought why not at least it’s future practice.

Anyway on the date he was much better looking in real life, quite intelligent and can hold a decent conversation. It also transpired he’s still living with his ‘ex’ as a family unit but separate bedrooms.

He works in my town, where he moved when they separated (which I knew beforehand) then moved back to the next town along. It turns out that was him moving back into the family home (which happened during covid - she was working and needed more help with the kids during two isolation periods as he was wfh at this point. It went ok so they decided to make it a permanent thing as it was better for the kids and for finances which now with the cost of living make things a bit harder. They own the home together and even got the kids a puppy a couple years ago. They each do their own thing and the kids apparently haven’t really questioned why they have separate rooms, aren’t cuddly etc. the reason she wasn’t happy about him going out (he told her he was out with friends also) was because he didn’t put it in the shared calendar even though he’d reminded her the day prior. They plan to continue this arrangement (likely for the next 5 years or so). Apparently she doesn’t want to lose part of the lifestyle (4 bedroom house garden, playroom holidays etc) in a decent area plus childcare issues if they separate.

Im really dubious about this to be honest. At the end of the date I said I liked him but I can’t shake the feeling he’s still with his ex. We did have a kiss. Asked him if he can show my some evidence then I’ll definitely consider it. He messaged his sister but she didn’t get back to him straight away (it was gone 11 anyway) he woke up to some missed calls apparently she thought something was wrong. He’s explained the situation apparently and is waiting for her to get back again (they aren’t super close) it’s been like 36 hours now.

obviously I am aware of using protection before anyone raises it, I’ve had friends with mixed opinions on this. I’ve asked him if they are still together and he has said no, so I’m ok to continue as I’m not doing anything wrong. And to think about myself (who hasn’t been with anyone in almost two years since my sons dad and could probably use some sex rather than starting the whole vetting process from scratch again. On the other hand it does sound circumspect. I know a lot of people live together after separation but never as a long term arrangement even with school age kids. One is pretty convinced they’re still together and he could be a serial philanderer.

He isn’t interested in anything serious so I don’t believe he’s a cocklodger, the other alternatives are that they might be separated and he’s still actively trying to get back with her, possibly controlling using property ownership as an excuse, or looking for an excuse to separate.

He also mentioned the reason for separation was that she cheated, it came out of the blue and he had no idea she was so unhappy. In my experience men who say their ex cheated turn out to be the cheats.

Im aware even if he’s telling the truth if his kids mum is truly how he sounds she could be a pita if he’s still under her thumb, and how he might try to be the one who dictates/picks and chooses when we see each other. In both of those scenarios I would say bye bye anyway.
He also said he’s quite bad at communication - he is, as am I and I don’t have an excuse but that seems to be a bit of a flag for someone who is having an affair.

I definitely won’t be catching feelings for this man but would enjoy his company so a bit gutted things turned out to be so complicated. There’s always a catch!

What are everyone’s thoughts on this please, am I being fed a complete line, partial truth and is it a good idea to even sleep with him? It’s been a long time but I’m not desperate and can walk away (and go another two years or ten lol). I’m not interested in being a mistress or even inadvertently being the reason children’s lives are destabilised.

Thanks if you made it this far!

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SweetBonanza · 14/11/2022 23:35

Sorry you've had a hard time from some on this thread OP.

Sounds to me like you've got your head screwed on and you've already seen through this bullshit. Even if it isn't bullshit, it's way more complicated than you need. It's a lose lose situation.

Good luck, you'll find someone decent to have fun with xx

Winceybincey · 15/11/2022 00:15

Sorry I’m not sure if I’m reading it right or I’m getting a bit muddled;

you arranged a date with him and then he cancelled because his ex said he couldn’t go because it wasn’t in the shared calendar?

separated couples living together isn’t highly unusual, I wouldn’t say it’s common but not rare either. But if they are sharing a calendar and he has to have consent from her to go out, or has to put his social life in a shared calendar then I’d say it’s unlikely they have separated as that isn’t normal.

That screams ‘liar’ to me more than the fact they still live together.

OldFan · 15/11/2022 01:34

definitely won’t be catching feelings for this man but would enjoy his company

If you enjoy his company then of course you could catch feels.

Even if he has theoretically split with his ex, there's still a strong risk they could reconcile.

Januarcelebration · 15/11/2022 03:06

I didn’t say you had fallen for him. I said you have already ‘caught feelings’. Which I believe you have some feelings for him above fancying him. Because I don’t think you would entertain this at all, if you didn’t.

I can’t see anyone who has posted that they live with their ex, through choice and will continue to do so. Or who only goes out when their ex is ok with it. Or who buys a dog together.

The really simple solution is to speak to the ex. It doesn’t take someone 36 hours to confirm their brother is actually separated.

Would you really enjoy FWB with someone who flip flops on plans because their ex didn’t have enough notice?

Bananasinpyjamas21 · 15/11/2022 03:13

I wouldn’t trust him at all no, my Ex cheated on me and would sometimes manufacture an argument, say he’d ‘had enough’ and storm out and I think this is partly when he was going to see the women he met online. In his eyes, we ‘weren’t really together’.

Until he came back and then he’d decide to really try again with me. It is much more likely he is still on/off with his ‘ex’ than he has completely separated. And he hasnt’ completely separated has he, how weird to go and sleep with you and then go back and have dinner with his wife and kids. How comfortable would you be with that? It’s not good for you, his wife, or his kids. The only person it might be perfect for… is him!

Skyway · 15/11/2022 04:55

At a guess I would say he's probably got a pretty crap marriage that he's caused himself.

A cheater whose having a hard time at home with an unforgiving wife, stuck in a stalemate of loathing, maybe his sister has been fed a load of bullshit and feels sorry for poor bro.
There's literally millions of these men who wished to be loved again by their wives but can't put the work in or refuse to do so, they neither want to go but are unhappy for screwing their own relationship up.
He won't leave her, he's in limbo pretending to mend his ways yet still looking for someone to replace her and find that love again that he so desperately needs.

He will test you out, are you the one that can take the pain away, can you replace her.

Who knows but the innitial signs don't look good, he's already explained his situation and any rational woman wouldn't go near that menage et trois.
He probably has others aswell.
But you fancy him and seem to want to ignor all signs, deep down you must know he's a wrong un.

Aprilx · 15/11/2022 05:30

Twitoo · 14/11/2022 22:16

First of all I would like to thank all of you who gave tact and diplomatic or straight to the point responses. And to those who confirmed these situations can be genuine. Thanks to dust of Neptune mentioning the concern about how others can lie and cover for cheats that was very helpful. I did mention I would happily speak to his ex quickly after the date but it doesn’t sound like they communicate about their private lives as such (which is kind of evidenced as an issue in my post).

For those of you who’s first response was to attack me personally, I would just like to point out my self esteem is not in the bin thank you very much. But for some other women who read these types of posts might suffer with self esteem issues a bit more, it might put them off asking for advice. Something to be mindful of.

I didn’t kiss him, he kissed me it happened quite quickly and was a bit unexpected, I’d had a bit of wine so didn’t object to it, I’m human. But I have my limits. I’m certainly not a home wrecker as per my post, it was my friend who mentioned it had been asked and answered so therefore I wasn’t doing anything wrong. I actually didn’t expect the evidence to materialise and expected it was a non starter, it was chatting to some friends who made it seem not that bad which is what made me question it slightly more.

I certainly do not feel as though I’ve fallen for this stranger, effectively thank you very much. As far as complications go his living situation doesn’t bother me (if genuine) as such because it would have been a casual situation. If I was looking for a relationship there is absolutely no way I’d entertain this. It wasn’t a lie it was an omission, (negligible difference) he thought It would have been noted from our texts that they were still living together, but as it’s quite unusual I thought this too would be a line as I definitely would have commented on it.

I would have been quite happy for things to take place at mine only, as I don’t drive and he does so it’s also more convenient for me.

Ten steps ahead by saying his ex is crazy?? If a man told me his ex was crazy on any date I would be making a sharp excuse to leave. I’m a dv survivor who 5 years ago would have absolutely fallen for bullshit like this (and did, hence my experience about men who say their partners have cheated) so really do not appreciate being spoken about like a complete idiot. As others have pointed out, these living situations do genuinely exist.

The only reason we were speaking for a month was, as per my post we had both had to cancel on previously arranged dates. I am fully aware this would be too long to talk to someone.

Thank you all for your help, I have since messaged him and informed him it’s not happening.

You may have had some tough responses because it is absolutely blindingly obvious that this is a married man and you are trying to pretend it isn’t and trying to pretend you are not about to contribute to wrecking some people’s life. Yes your self esteem is in the gutter if this is the best you think you can do.

BEAM123 · 15/11/2022 05:40

There was a poster a few weeks back with a man in a similar situation. She thought she was the OW and broke off with him. Next thing his ex contacted her and explained and said it was all above board. Why wouldn't this guy ask his ex to confirm, rather than a sister he isn't that close to?

pinkfondu · 15/11/2022 05:59

With money the way it is now this is happening more and more

Endofmyteatherr · 15/11/2022 06:02

I've not read your whole post. It's too long OP.

You have no need to be another woman at this age, he is no friend and from your lengthy post I don't see what benefit you would be getting.

Just don't even txt back block and delete. There's plenty of others online!

newlysingle1 · 15/11/2022 06:33

Just to put it out there I live with my ex as he simply can't afford to move out especially now we live as friends

Dery · 15/11/2022 07:31

“My experience is that any evasiveness involves some kind of back story you won't like.”

This. And as PP have said: if this was fine, he’d be asking his ex to confirm.

Gumreduction · 15/11/2022 07:32

It’s all a bit sordid and gross OP

Twitoo · 15/11/2022 08:42

Aprilx · 15/11/2022 05:30

You may have had some tough responses because it is absolutely blindingly obvious that this is a married man and you are trying to pretend it isn’t and trying to pretend you are not about to contribute to wrecking some people’s life. Yes your self esteem is in the gutter if this is the best you think you can do.

There is being blunt, as others have and there is being plain rude. You sound like one of those women who blame woman for men who break their vows.

OP posts:
Twitoo · 15/11/2022 08:51

Thanks guys, some valid points on here which I had considered. As mentioned I’d already messaged him and told him it’s not happening. I’ve got a cao final hearing and s7 coming up with my abusive ex so could do with a little ‘distraction’ in my free time at the moment. Spending time with friends (which I do do) doesn’t itch that scratch. Back to the drawing board and likely will spend the time matching with guys who end up sounding like wallys or dates which are a blinding no.

I wanted the ball firmly in my court around when I have free time, a third person having a say in when we could hang out would be a pita and would result in ending things anyway.

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Musti · 15/11/2022 08:56

You’re giving someone you just met way too much thought and consideration.

I wouldn’t get involved tbh. If those were his real circumstances and had really wanted to meet he would have put it on the shared calendar and made sure that it was agreed. I suspect he’s lying.

But I also wouldn’t want to start anything with anyone who was planning on living with his ex for the next 5 years. Way too complicated.

I lived with my ex whilst selling and buying a house and I did start dating a few months whilst we were still living together. But I had very clear boundaries about the weekends that the kids were with me and the ones that they were with him.

But I would call his bluff if you really want to see him and say that you would like to speak to his ex wife. Because if he is telling the truth then she will probably also be dating (especially as she apparently cheated) and want to make clear that they live together but aren’t together.

DeoForty · 15/11/2022 09:21

If you are, as you say you are, after a causal sexual relationship, I'm not sure it really matters. If he's telling you he is single and able to morally embark on a sexual relationship then I'm not sure why I'd be digging about - isn't that the whole point?

Opentooffers · 15/11/2022 09:50

Have to say, dating anyone with an informal arrangement around the DC is a pita, as can be, getting involved with separated, but not divorced, people.
Given that you have strict times when free, probably best to keep away from these, not least for the reason that you would likely set yourself up for a life of cancelled and rearranged dates resulting in disappointment - not what you're after.

JangolinaPitt · 15/11/2022 11:27

I live in London and a lot of people are in this situation with kids in school and can’t afford two properties in the area -and who do not want to subject the kids to disruption. I lived in the same house separately to my stbxh for 6 years -separate lives and rooms but still civil about kids arrangements.

Skyway · 15/11/2022 14:15

He's going to use you and you are going to get hurt.

You have already reframed this in your mind as to you finding him convienient, he's not a convinience, you writing this post is an exercise in you having mentionitis and doing the groundwork for maybe absolving youself of guilt by intruding in some other woman's marriage.

I can tell you fancy him too much to put the brakes on but really none of this is a good idea, your confidence and self esteem will not be enhanced , it will be destroyed.

He's playing you like a fidddle.

SkylightSkylight · 15/11/2022 15:04

Winceybincey · 15/11/2022 00:15

Sorry I’m not sure if I’m reading it right or I’m getting a bit muddled;

you arranged a date with him and then he cancelled because his ex said he couldn’t go because it wasn’t in the shared calendar?

separated couples living together isn’t highly unusual, I wouldn’t say it’s common but not rare either. But if they are sharing a calendar and he has to have consent from her to go out, or has to put his social life in a shared calendar then I’d say it’s unlikely they have separated as that isn’t normal.

That screams ‘liar’ to me more than the fact they still live together.

I don't think having a shared calendar when you share care of children is unusual, not even when separated, the children still need One if the parents at home. He who 'books' the time out first, gets the time out. No one needs to know where the other one is going.

Gumreduction · 15/11/2022 15:32

I’m divorced. Amicable split.

we have a shared calendar.

very useful

Gumreduction · 15/11/2022 15:33

Although certainly work like He who 'books' the time out first, gets the time out.

Gumreduction · 15/11/2022 15:34

Although certainly doesn’t work like…

Thisisworsethananticpated · 15/11/2022 21:43

Well it’s casual right ?

so if so it doesn’t matter , and let’s assume it’s the truth

but your vetting this more like it’s a relationship
in which case it’s not optimal

but this i a thing with the cost of living crisis

sub optimal housing

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