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Would I be a friends with benefits? Or the other woman?

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Twitoo · 14/11/2022 20:07

Need some advice please if this is a non-starter!

I’ve been speaking to a man from tinder for a month now. We’re both looking for a longer term casual partner/friends with benefits type scenario. We’ve arranged dates before but both had to cancel. Both logistically challenged - I’m a single mum with a 3 year old and he’s (supposedly) single with a 7 and 10 year old. my son is with his dad every other weekend and when asked if he has shared care he said they have an informal equal arrangement. Finally arranged to meet Saturday night - he messages a few hours before saying his son is having a sleepover and his ex wants him to be there so he might have to cancel. (Wtf - boundaries? Just say no??)

I’m obviously typing a very long message saying I think it’s going to be just too challenging for us to meet at this point and was a bit peeved I didn’t make other plans for that evening and the ex says no? Whilst I’m typing this long message I get a quick text back saying she’s changed her mind can I do slightly later once they’ve eaten dinner with his sons friend. (We both have iPhones he could see me typing - also mentioned on the date that he felt like I was going to say there’s no point continuing talking which I admitted was the case). I went on the date in the end because otherwise I would have been in doing nothing so thought why not at least it’s future practice.

Anyway on the date he was much better looking in real life, quite intelligent and can hold a decent conversation. It also transpired he’s still living with his ‘ex’ as a family unit but separate bedrooms.

He works in my town, where he moved when they separated (which I knew beforehand) then moved back to the next town along. It turns out that was him moving back into the family home (which happened during covid - she was working and needed more help with the kids during two isolation periods as he was wfh at this point. It went ok so they decided to make it a permanent thing as it was better for the kids and for finances which now with the cost of living make things a bit harder. They own the home together and even got the kids a puppy a couple years ago. They each do their own thing and the kids apparently haven’t really questioned why they have separate rooms, aren’t cuddly etc. the reason she wasn’t happy about him going out (he told her he was out with friends also) was because he didn’t put it in the shared calendar even though he’d reminded her the day prior. They plan to continue this arrangement (likely for the next 5 years or so). Apparently she doesn’t want to lose part of the lifestyle (4 bedroom house garden, playroom holidays etc) in a decent area plus childcare issues if they separate.

Im really dubious about this to be honest. At the end of the date I said I liked him but I can’t shake the feeling he’s still with his ex. We did have a kiss. Asked him if he can show my some evidence then I’ll definitely consider it. He messaged his sister but she didn’t get back to him straight away (it was gone 11 anyway) he woke up to some missed calls apparently she thought something was wrong. He’s explained the situation apparently and is waiting for her to get back again (they aren’t super close) it’s been like 36 hours now.

obviously I am aware of using protection before anyone raises it, I’ve had friends with mixed opinions on this. I’ve asked him if they are still together and he has said no, so I’m ok to continue as I’m not doing anything wrong. And to think about myself (who hasn’t been with anyone in almost two years since my sons dad and could probably use some sex rather than starting the whole vetting process from scratch again. On the other hand it does sound circumspect. I know a lot of people live together after separation but never as a long term arrangement even with school age kids. One is pretty convinced they’re still together and he could be a serial philanderer.

He isn’t interested in anything serious so I don’t believe he’s a cocklodger, the other alternatives are that they might be separated and he’s still actively trying to get back with her, possibly controlling using property ownership as an excuse, or looking for an excuse to separate.

He also mentioned the reason for separation was that she cheated, it came out of the blue and he had no idea she was so unhappy. In my experience men who say their ex cheated turn out to be the cheats.

Im aware even if he’s telling the truth if his kids mum is truly how he sounds she could be a pita if he’s still under her thumb, and how he might try to be the one who dictates/picks and chooses when we see each other. In both of those scenarios I would say bye bye anyway.
He also said he’s quite bad at communication - he is, as am I and I don’t have an excuse but that seems to be a bit of a flag for someone who is having an affair.

I definitely won’t be catching feelings for this man but would enjoy his company so a bit gutted things turned out to be so complicated. There’s always a catch!

What are everyone’s thoughts on this please, am I being fed a complete line, partial truth and is it a good idea to even sleep with him? It’s been a long time but I’m not desperate and can walk away (and go another two years or ten lol). I’m not interested in being a mistress or even inadvertently being the reason children’s lives are destabilised.

Thanks if you made it this far!

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Bollocks2that · 14/11/2022 21:06

Comedycook · 14/11/2022 20:36

My bet is he will tell the op that even though they've split up, his ex is crazy so he can't tell her!

Heck you're right he will be ten steps ahead won't he?

OhIdoLike2bBesideTheSeaside · 14/11/2022 21:09

@Twitoo
What utter nonsense
Have some self respect and find a single man

Jewel7 · 14/11/2022 21:15

It sounds more complicated than you would like it to be? Which is fair enough for you. You need someone who has the time to fit around you. This man and wife still sound quite attached….

swirlypinky · 14/11/2022 21:17

Dont tell me... he's not on social media!

dustofneptune · 14/11/2022 21:18

I guess I have a somewhat open perspective on this, as I've been in poly relationships before and I live with (and share pets, home ownership etc., with) an ex. We're 100% platonic, like family, and just live really well together. So I'm open minded about "chosen family" kind of setups and have dated many people in similar situations.

One issue for me is that he omitted the fact that they live together in the entire month you were talking beforehand. So either he's lying about the their relationship, or he doesn't know how to navigate it when dating. Either way, potential headache for you.

The other issue is that he asked his sister, not his ex, to verify. My ex and I readily verify when we're dating people. A quick face time call is all it takes. Verification from his sister means nothing. I know someone who literally had an affair with a married man (knowingly) for three years - and this man's cousins, relatives, co-workers etc. all lied for him readily. It was actually shocking to me.

If they're in a kind of "don't ask, don't tell, I don't want to know" situation, then that's riskier as you're not going to have any kind of clarification. I don't do those kind of situations, because I like things to be simple, open and above board. It's up to you whether you want to risk that.

ManAboutTown · 14/11/2022 21:22

My experience is that any evasiveness involves some kind of back story you won't like.

Sopharsogood · 14/11/2022 21:39

This happened to me many yrs ago. Bloke told me he was separating and waiting for house to be sold so they could take their money and get their own houses, turned out he was very much with his wife in the biblical sense. I was suspicious and followed him and confronted him in front of his wife. Not my finest hour TBH.

creepie · 14/11/2022 21:46

Even if they are separated, who the fuck wants to date someone living with his ex? That sounds like a recipe for serious insecurity and jealousy. A complete lack of boundaries.

If you live ""platonically"" with your ex, don't bother wasting another woman's time by trying to date around. Sort out your life first.

Quiegal · 14/11/2022 21:49

@Twitoo

There's a lot going on here he needs to be left alone.

If she cheated on him he maybe trying to hurt her and make her realize her mistake and ask him to get back together. It all very messy.

I don't believe anything here. Sounds a man with marriage issues wanting his cake and eat it.

PPMMppmm · 14/11/2022 21:59

Ask his wife to confirm it. If they are both on the same page then she'll be happy to confirm.

parrotonthesofa · 14/11/2022 22:03

Even if it is true, I would not want to go near this situation with a barge pole.

Thereisnolight · 14/11/2022 22:14

Treacletoots · 14/11/2022 20:41

Why do women fall for obviously cheating men time and time again. Use your head OP, please, pull your self respect out of the gutter and have a good think why you deserve so little respect from a potential partner.

Yes indeed.
You are clearly lonely with low self esteem. I’m not surprised, as being a single parent to a 3 year old must be tiring and hard. Please be patient and look at other ways to build up your social life - working if possible, gradually getting to know other parents - until your DC is a little bit older and you are more clear-headed. You say you want sex but you need to think with your head, not with your bits!

Twitoo · 14/11/2022 22:16

First of all I would like to thank all of you who gave tact and diplomatic or straight to the point responses. And to those who confirmed these situations can be genuine. Thanks to dust of Neptune mentioning the concern about how others can lie and cover for cheats that was very helpful. I did mention I would happily speak to his ex quickly after the date but it doesn’t sound like they communicate about their private lives as such (which is kind of evidenced as an issue in my post).

For those of you who’s first response was to attack me personally, I would just like to point out my self esteem is not in the bin thank you very much. But for some other women who read these types of posts might suffer with self esteem issues a bit more, it might put them off asking for advice. Something to be mindful of.

I didn’t kiss him, he kissed me it happened quite quickly and was a bit unexpected, I’d had a bit of wine so didn’t object to it, I’m human. But I have my limits. I’m certainly not a home wrecker as per my post, it was my friend who mentioned it had been asked and answered so therefore I wasn’t doing anything wrong. I actually didn’t expect the evidence to materialise and expected it was a non starter, it was chatting to some friends who made it seem not that bad which is what made me question it slightly more.

I certainly do not feel as though I’ve fallen for this stranger, effectively thank you very much. As far as complications go his living situation doesn’t bother me (if genuine) as such because it would have been a casual situation. If I was looking for a relationship there is absolutely no way I’d entertain this. It wasn’t a lie it was an omission, (negligible difference) he thought It would have been noted from our texts that they were still living together, but as it’s quite unusual I thought this too would be a line as I definitely would have commented on it.

I would have been quite happy for things to take place at mine only, as I don’t drive and he does so it’s also more convenient for me.

Ten steps ahead by saying his ex is crazy?? If a man told me his ex was crazy on any date I would be making a sharp excuse to leave. I’m a dv survivor who 5 years ago would have absolutely fallen for bullshit like this (and did, hence my experience about men who say their partners have cheated) so really do not appreciate being spoken about like a complete idiot. As others have pointed out, these living situations do genuinely exist.

The only reason we were speaking for a month was, as per my post we had both had to cancel on previously arranged dates. I am fully aware this would be too long to talk to someone.

Thank you all for your help, I have since messaged him and informed him it’s not happening.

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DilemmaDelilah · 14/11/2022 22:17

I knew somebody who lived in the same house as his ex for years after they 'separated'. Come to think of it... I think I had a work colleague who did the same. It's not that unusual.

greeandorange · 14/11/2022 22:18

Ask his ex?

Twitoo · 14/11/2022 22:21

Just to note I did ask him for his Facebook he showed me but said he doesn’t update it, I then searched on my phone and it’s a 5 year old picture with all his family (extended and ex).

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Twitoo · 14/11/2022 22:24

Also they weren’t married

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shivermetimbers77 · 14/11/2022 22:32

I’m currently in the same setup with my ex due to finances.. wish I didn’t have to live with him but it’s how it is right now. We are definitely not together and both single , but I have avoided dating because I can see how the looks and it’s just too exhausting having to explain to people every time that we really are not together.

DeliberatelyObtuse · 14/11/2022 22:33

There's FWB and then there's a man in a relationship popping to your house for a quick shag when he can

I think you're right OP - you'll be the OW

Twitoo · 14/11/2022 22:40

shivermetimbers77 · 14/11/2022 22:32

I’m currently in the same setup with my ex due to finances.. wish I didn’t have to live with him but it’s how it is right now. We are definitely not together and both single , but I have avoided dating because I can see how the looks and it’s just too exhausting having to explain to people every time that we really are not together.

Sorry to hear, wouldn’t wish it on anyone to be honest. I don’t blame you for not dating, I would presume you probably wouldn’t feel comfortable with your ex knowing when you were out on dates etc. too? Hope your situation gets sorted quickly.

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emptythelitterbox · 14/11/2022 22:41

Surely you've been chatting with other men who'd be up for a shag?

Why drag it out for a month for this guy instead of finding someone else?

My guess is he's still in a relationship.
The dating sites are full of married men trying their luck.

Closetbeanmuncher · 14/11/2022 23:11

Anyway on the date he was much better looking in real life, quite intelligent and can hold a decent conversation. It also transpired he’s still living with his ‘ex’ as a family unit but separate bedrooms

Run for the hills, seriously.

on the minuscule chance that he’s not still involved with her it’s messy - waaaaay too messy.

Closetbeanmuncher · 14/11/2022 23:11

*on the minuscule off chance

OutDamnedSpot · 14/11/2022 23:16

Throw this one back. Even if he’s telling you the truth, that’s a whole heap of complicated that you just don’t need. There are decent men out there. You don’t need to settle for this one.

jtaeapa · 14/11/2022 23:28

Most likely you would be OW
Even in the unlikely event you are just FWB, the situation is a mess

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