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Aunty just made a sad confession

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LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 14:21

Namechanged for this.

Auntie Red Sari just told me that for the past THIRTY years - she and an old boyfriend from her teenage years have had a long term affair. He died last week at the age of 88. She is 86.

Auntie Red Sari has been married to Uncle Bald Patch for forty years. They have a mix of kids from previous marriages who are all similar ages to me. Aunty Red has now told me that Uncle Bald Patch has been a secret alcoholic for much of that time. That he would drink himself in to a stupor most nights and that she stayed with him because he had mental health issues from being sexually abused as a child and because she didn't want to break up the family home again for the kids (they would have been about ten when his drinking started) Uncle Bald Patch is a very grumpy and secretive man. Aunty Red still wears a flower in her hair and her coral lipstick and keeps her little tin of blusher in her handbag. And always has her lovely saris. She's Indian.

Her special friend who was someone we all knew - let's call him "Bertie" was a lovely funny man who would sometimes pop in at Xmas and bring little presents for the kids and chocolate for myself and my siblings (we spent a lot of time at our cousins house at Xmas and New Year) Bert wore a cardigan and a flat cap and had a little swallow tattoo on his neck. He had a wife and two children a couple of years younger than my cousins.

Bert died last week suddenly from a heart attack and Aunty Red was sobbing. I picked her up one evening this week to take her out to a family dinner and she told me that for the last thirty years, she and Bert would meet overnight in a little b&b a few towns over. They would talk and drink some wine and sleep in the same bed but she said they didn't do more than kissing because that (in her words) "would have led to us having to make decisions that would hurt the children." She had been a single mum when she met Uncle Bald Patch, she was a domestic abuse survivor and she must have felt like she had no choices. It's also very different for Indian women in her community - there are all sorts of ideas and values that she had that she couldn't break from. Such as standing by her second husband even as he became more withdrawn and silent as she said. She told me that he never comes to bed. He sleeps on the sofa in a drunken wreck. She said that the twice yearly night with Bert was the only time she could have a drink herself and relax and feel like she was a woman and not a house slave to Uncle Bald Patch's children or his controlling drinking.

She's asked me to take her to Bert's funeral. All the lightness in her seems to have disappeared. Turns out Bert was a secret boyfriend she had from her late teens and she wasn't allowed to see him because she had an arranged marriage. Bert went on to marry someone else and then his work led him to accidentally see her several years later once they both had children.

Uncle Bald Patch didn't hit Aunty Red but he was seeing other women at the start of their relationship and later the drinking took over. So she had been unhappy for a long time before Bert was on the scene. I don't know the situation with Bert's wife but they separated about five years ago. I feel so very sorry for everyone involved and how unhappy everyone must have been for so long trying to keep things good for the kids. My cousins have NO idea what's happened.

So here we are. I look around me at the various states of relationships that me and my siblings and my cousins are all in and see that nothing changes really - people do their best and they muddle along and they live their lives. Aunty Red has lost her way a bit this week. But she loves her children and grandchildren and so she's got people around her.

Complicated isn't it, life? She says next year she will go to the b&b on her own and have a glass of wine.

OP posts:
TheSproutOfWrath · 05/11/2022 14:24

That's a very bitter sweet story.

Fleurdaisy · 05/11/2022 14:28

That is so sad, thirty years is such a long time.
She must also be in shock as it was so sudden.
RIP Bert. And a big hug to your aunt, I understand. 💐

VioletLemon · 05/11/2022 14:28

Considering the big picture I'm very happy for her to have had a happy long lasting bond with someone who loved her. So nice that she has confided in you!

ListeningButNotHearing · 05/11/2022 14:43

Bless her and bless you 💐

DarkKarmaIlama · 05/11/2022 14:49

Life sure is a funny old thing. Bless her 💐.

ThirtyThreeTrees · 05/11/2022 14:49

Normally, I'm anti affair but under the circumstances, I can't blame her one bit.

The story is heartbreaking.

SirChenjins · 05/11/2022 14:54

Oh my word - she must have loved Bertie very much, and to have lived with that secret for so long would have been so hard for her. It will be doubly difficult grieving in private, so she’s very lucky she has you to speak to and confide in. She sounds likes like an amazing woman to have coped with everything life has thrown at her 💐

userxx · 05/11/2022 14:59

How utterly sad. Life can sometimes turn to shit.

heldinadream · 05/11/2022 14:59

Your poor auntie. Thank you for telling us her story. I hope she recovers her sparkle, OP.
And I'm glad she was able to tell you.💔

dudsville · 05/11/2022 15:03

An old friend of mine married a man who's mum admitted to her DIL (my friend) a similar story. Such a sad situation.

RFPO77 · 05/11/2022 15:13

I feel so sad for your aunty, the worlds a funny place. It's good she has you x

Poppinjay · 05/11/2022 15:17

Could you offer to get a room at the B&B when she goes so you can keep her company while she remembers him?

windmill4865 · 05/11/2022 15:22

Please take Auntie to the funeral. What a beautful, yet sad, story. Hug from me to both of you xx

LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 15:23

heldinadream · 05/11/2022 14:59

Your poor auntie. Thank you for telling us her story. I hope she recovers her sparkle, OP.
And I'm glad she was able to tell you.💔

I think... she told me because a year ago my own husband started to drink heavily and she's been the most supportive family member I had about this. Everyone else minimised it. At the time she also said something funny to me but now I get it. She said "never forget to put on your lipstick because you never know where the love will come from."

And I just dismissed it as her being a bit old fashioned and silly. I think she was saying there's other love out there and not to give up on myself. And also I suppose - love for myself too.

My husband loves me very much but loves his alcohol more at the moment. I've been thinking about her a lot the last few hours and thinking that I'm lucky that if he doesn't improve over the next couple of years and I wanted to leave, although it would be terrible and awful I could do it. There isn't the same social stigma that she would have experienced. Financially it would be a challenge but I'm not in the same boat societally.

There would always be some hope of something else better happening in my life and I wouldn't have to feel trapped like she felt.

She's still got her lipstick and rouge and her hair flower and I think I'm going to do the same. Some little things to wear that are just for me to feel pretty.

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Smineusername · 05/11/2022 15:25

How lovely for her to finally be able to tell someone about it. She must think a lot of you x

W0tnow · 05/11/2022 15:29

Absolutely life is complicated. Deepest condolences, Aunty Red Sari. I’m glad you had someone who adored you. X

Genevieva · 05/11/2022 15:29

Bless her and bless you. In a better world Aunty Red Sari would have been proud to introduce Bert Flat Cap to her parents and they would have got married and lived happily ever after. She would still be grieving this week, but it would have been after a long and loving marriage and there would have ben no need for secrecy. Oh for a future in which women like Aunty Red Sari have the simple freedom to marry for love.

ManefesationofConciousness · 05/11/2022 15:31

TheSproutOfWrath · 05/11/2022 14:24

That's a very bitter sweet story.

Focus on story=fiction

CheesyPlant679 · 05/11/2022 15:31

This is beautiful but so sad. I hope it doesn't sound crass to say you write really well and maybe if you wrote it as a story it might help your aunt. And maybe you. Please give your aunt a big hug and have one yourself, if hugs are acceptable. I'm glad your aunt found something for herself and I'm glad you can hold her pain for her a little, and perhaps she helps with yours a little too. Xxx

VivaDixie · 05/11/2022 15:34

I am also anti-affair but my goodness I am sending my love to Aunty Red Sari.

I may also find myself a hair flower and matching lippie. Despite the circumstances I admire her outlook on life x

maplesaucewithbacon · 05/11/2022 15:34

Focus on story=fiction

Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. People can write well about real life, and these things do happen in real life. Quite a lot.

BleuNoir · 05/11/2022 15:35

Life is so bloody complicated. Bless her for doing her best and for supporting you too. Thank you for recounting the story. It's reminded me to never give up. 🌺

ChangedmynameagainforChristmas · 05/11/2022 15:35

Oh how sad. I have a friend who is in an arranged marriage. He is also Indian. His wife is a miserable harpy - 'helmet head' and his life with her is not easy. Nothing is ever good enough for her and I have never seen her smile. They have grown up children so it has been a long term thing.
He has had 'secrets' which have kept him sane because to divorce would have brought a shame on his parents he could not live with so he has put up with 'helmet head' and will be with her until death.
Surely life should be better than this ?

NameChangeForARaisin · 05/11/2022 15:35

That is so sad.
After my DF died my DM became very close to a retired catholic priest.
For 28years they spoke daily on the phone and met up several times a week at his house.
My DF was abusive and ive never seen my DM blossom so much as when she was with her "friend".
When he died, it was as if she gave up on life.
Im sure they were in love.

picklemewalnuts · 05/11/2022 15:37

@LittleSnoozey this is very outing for Aunty red sari, unless you changed a significant number of details.