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Aunty just made a sad confession

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LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 14:21

Namechanged for this.

Auntie Red Sari just told me that for the past THIRTY years - she and an old boyfriend from her teenage years have had a long term affair. He died last week at the age of 88. She is 86.

Auntie Red Sari has been married to Uncle Bald Patch for forty years. They have a mix of kids from previous marriages who are all similar ages to me. Aunty Red has now told me that Uncle Bald Patch has been a secret alcoholic for much of that time. That he would drink himself in to a stupor most nights and that she stayed with him because he had mental health issues from being sexually abused as a child and because she didn't want to break up the family home again for the kids (they would have been about ten when his drinking started) Uncle Bald Patch is a very grumpy and secretive man. Aunty Red still wears a flower in her hair and her coral lipstick and keeps her little tin of blusher in her handbag. And always has her lovely saris. She's Indian.

Her special friend who was someone we all knew - let's call him "Bertie" was a lovely funny man who would sometimes pop in at Xmas and bring little presents for the kids and chocolate for myself and my siblings (we spent a lot of time at our cousins house at Xmas and New Year) Bert wore a cardigan and a flat cap and had a little swallow tattoo on his neck. He had a wife and two children a couple of years younger than my cousins.

Bert died last week suddenly from a heart attack and Aunty Red was sobbing. I picked her up one evening this week to take her out to a family dinner and she told me that for the last thirty years, she and Bert would meet overnight in a little b&b a few towns over. They would talk and drink some wine and sleep in the same bed but she said they didn't do more than kissing because that (in her words) "would have led to us having to make decisions that would hurt the children." She had been a single mum when she met Uncle Bald Patch, she was a domestic abuse survivor and she must have felt like she had no choices. It's also very different for Indian women in her community - there are all sorts of ideas and values that she had that she couldn't break from. Such as standing by her second husband even as he became more withdrawn and silent as she said. She told me that he never comes to bed. He sleeps on the sofa in a drunken wreck. She said that the twice yearly night with Bert was the only time she could have a drink herself and relax and feel like she was a woman and not a house slave to Uncle Bald Patch's children or his controlling drinking.

She's asked me to take her to Bert's funeral. All the lightness in her seems to have disappeared. Turns out Bert was a secret boyfriend she had from her late teens and she wasn't allowed to see him because she had an arranged marriage. Bert went on to marry someone else and then his work led him to accidentally see her several years later once they both had children.

Uncle Bald Patch didn't hit Aunty Red but he was seeing other women at the start of their relationship and later the drinking took over. So she had been unhappy for a long time before Bert was on the scene. I don't know the situation with Bert's wife but they separated about five years ago. I feel so very sorry for everyone involved and how unhappy everyone must have been for so long trying to keep things good for the kids. My cousins have NO idea what's happened.

So here we are. I look around me at the various states of relationships that me and my siblings and my cousins are all in and see that nothing changes really - people do their best and they muddle along and they live their lives. Aunty Red has lost her way a bit this week. But she loves her children and grandchildren and so she's got people around her.

Complicated isn't it, life? She says next year she will go to the b&b on her own and have a glass of wine.

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Pixiedust1234 · 05/11/2022 15:38

I have actually no idea what to say.

For Auntie Flowers

Brenna24 · 05/11/2022 15:39

I second the suggestion of going to the B&B and having a glass of wine with her. Make it an auntie niece tradition.

Rippled · 05/11/2022 15:41

"let's call him "Bertie" "

But you then refer to him as "Bert" for the rest of the story..................

StillWeRise · 05/11/2022 15:43

your poor Auntie

I agree with PPs, you write well and the story does sound familiar, because this is not an uncommon situation after all
I hope you both have the strength to keep this secret, there is no point in upsetting the other man's family

LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 15:48

picklemewalnuts · 05/11/2022 15:37

@LittleSnoozey this is very outing for Aunty red sari, unless you changed a significant number of details.

Yes there's a few details changed so it wouldn't be obvious don't worry!

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WearyLady · 05/11/2022 15:49

It's a sad story, but I'm pleased your aunt found some happiness with Bert. Knowing he was there, and knowing he loved her must have given her strength over the years. They may not have been able to be open about their love but to have experienced true love is a wonderful thing.

LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 15:50

Rippled · 05/11/2022 15:41

"let's call him "Bertie" "

But you then refer to him as "Bert" for the rest of the story..................

He reminded me of Bert from Bert and Ernie hence changing his name to that 😂. Also I don't call my Aunty Aunty I call her by her name so there's a misspelling of Aunty through it a bit too.

All people are real but the details are slightly fictional to not be outing.

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LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 15:52

Brenna24 · 05/11/2022 15:39

I second the suggestion of going to the B&B and having a glass of wine with her. Make it an auntie niece tradition.

That's very sweet. To be honest I don't think she's well enough to really ever go again but I'll suggest it to her if she ever says she wants to.

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LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 15:55

ChangedmynameagainforChristmas · 05/11/2022 15:35

Oh how sad. I have a friend who is in an arranged marriage. He is also Indian. His wife is a miserable harpy - 'helmet head' and his life with her is not easy. Nothing is ever good enough for her and I have never seen her smile. They have grown up children so it has been a long term thing.
He has had 'secrets' which have kept him sane because to divorce would have brought a shame on his parents he could not live with so he has put up with 'helmet head' and will be with her until death.
Surely life should be better than this ?

My mum was also in an arranged marriage and put up with my dad having affairs. Never spoke about it to her friend group or her own sisters. I wonder how many of her sisters put up with similar things as that was all of them in arranged marriages. This particular Aunty was the only one who had a bit of light her in though.

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justasking111 · 05/11/2022 16:02

My mum had secret affairs dad didn't know anything until one blew up in the families face. He died without knowing about the other older affairs

GingerScallop · 05/11/2022 16:04

LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 14:21

Namechanged for this.

Auntie Red Sari just told me that for the past THIRTY years - she and an old boyfriend from her teenage years have had a long term affair. He died last week at the age of 88. She is 86.

Auntie Red Sari has been married to Uncle Bald Patch for forty years. They have a mix of kids from previous marriages who are all similar ages to me. Aunty Red has now told me that Uncle Bald Patch has been a secret alcoholic for much of that time. That he would drink himself in to a stupor most nights and that she stayed with him because he had mental health issues from being sexually abused as a child and because she didn't want to break up the family home again for the kids (they would have been about ten when his drinking started) Uncle Bald Patch is a very grumpy and secretive man. Aunty Red still wears a flower in her hair and her coral lipstick and keeps her little tin of blusher in her handbag. And always has her lovely saris. She's Indian.

Her special friend who was someone we all knew - let's call him "Bertie" was a lovely funny man who would sometimes pop in at Xmas and bring little presents for the kids and chocolate for myself and my siblings (we spent a lot of time at our cousins house at Xmas and New Year) Bert wore a cardigan and a flat cap and had a little swallow tattoo on his neck. He had a wife and two children a couple of years younger than my cousins.

Bert died last week suddenly from a heart attack and Aunty Red was sobbing. I picked her up one evening this week to take her out to a family dinner and she told me that for the last thirty years, she and Bert would meet overnight in a little b&b a few towns over. They would talk and drink some wine and sleep in the same bed but she said they didn't do more than kissing because that (in her words) "would have led to us having to make decisions that would hurt the children." She had been a single mum when she met Uncle Bald Patch, she was a domestic abuse survivor and she must have felt like she had no choices. It's also very different for Indian women in her community - there are all sorts of ideas and values that she had that she couldn't break from. Such as standing by her second husband even as he became more withdrawn and silent as she said. She told me that he never comes to bed. He sleeps on the sofa in a drunken wreck. She said that the twice yearly night with Bert was the only time she could have a drink herself and relax and feel like she was a woman and not a house slave to Uncle Bald Patch's children or his controlling drinking.

She's asked me to take her to Bert's funeral. All the lightness in her seems to have disappeared. Turns out Bert was a secret boyfriend she had from her late teens and she wasn't allowed to see him because she had an arranged marriage. Bert went on to marry someone else and then his work led him to accidentally see her several years later once they both had children.

Uncle Bald Patch didn't hit Aunty Red but he was seeing other women at the start of their relationship and later the drinking took over. So she had been unhappy for a long time before Bert was on the scene. I don't know the situation with Bert's wife but they separated about five years ago. I feel so very sorry for everyone involved and how unhappy everyone must have been for so long trying to keep things good for the kids. My cousins have NO idea what's happened.

So here we are. I look around me at the various states of relationships that me and my siblings and my cousins are all in and see that nothing changes really - people do their best and they muddle along and they live their lives. Aunty Red has lost her way a bit this week. But she loves her children and grandchildren and so she's got people around her.

Complicated isn't it, life? She says next year she will go to the b&b on her own and have a glass of wine.

Such a bittersweet and beautifully sad story. Life is not as simple as Mumsnet would have us believe. It's good Aunt Red Sari had a glimmer of joy in her life (ditto uncle Bert)

LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 16:05

maplesaucewithbacon · 05/11/2022 15:34

Focus on story=fiction

Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. People can write well about real life, and these things do happen in real life. Quite a lot.

Exactly and I'm not talking about getting electrical vibes from a mysterious woman in a lush green coat on a train 🤣

The point of sharing stories like this from our lives is that for those of us who keep a journal like I do - this isn't a story I can put in it. And as a woman who feels trapped in my own situation it's reminding me to do things that make me feel better. Maybe wearing lipstick will just cheer me up when I look in the mirror. There's no Bert for me and I wouldn't want one to be honest. If I wasn't in this relationship I would want to be single for a few years to "detox" - but women of different cultures and different generations had different options open to them. And that's a reminder to us all to not live in unhappiness for longer than we can stand.

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LunaTheCat · 05/11/2022 16:05

Such a bittersweet story.
Do you think that Aunty Red Sari may have told you to encourage you to be brave?
💐💐To you .. and your lovely Aunt.

RedToothBrush · 05/11/2022 16:12

OP, you may not be able to do more, but in your shoes if I could I'd try to take Aunt Red Sari away for the weekend for a 'girl's night away' once in a while.

I suspect it would do you both the world of good.

I hope you find more happiness yourself soon.

diddl · 05/11/2022 16:23

ChangedmynameagainforChristmas · 05/11/2022 15:35

Oh how sad. I have a friend who is in an arranged marriage. He is also Indian. His wife is a miserable harpy - 'helmet head' and his life with her is not easy. Nothing is ever good enough for her and I have never seen her smile. They have grown up children so it has been a long term thing.
He has had 'secrets' which have kept him sane because to divorce would have brought a shame on his parents he could not live with so he has put up with 'helmet head' and will be with her until death.
Surely life should be better than this ?

Perhaps is wife is miserable because she has been forced to marry & stay married to him?

morningtoncrescent62 · 05/11/2022 16:24

Your story reminds me of this touching song by Daniel Cainer (wonderful singer-storyteller) about his grandfather and his "aunt Rae".

FishFingerSandwiches4Tea · 05/11/2022 16:28

Your poor aunty. I'm glad she found moments of joy in her life, such a shame they were so snatched. Also glad she can share her loss with you. It must be an extremely sad time for her

LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 16:36

@diddl I know what you are saying. Probably both of them are miserable as hell.

I'm speaking anecdotally but I don't know any family members who are happy in their arranged marriages - but some friends say their parents are happy. I wonder if that's the truth of it.

The idea of being on either side of it fills me with fear. Just a generation earlier and it would have been me. It's bleak enough when we are just tied with bits of paper and mortgages let alone societal and cultural expectations.

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LearnerCook · 05/11/2022 16:38

Sending love to you and Aunty. It seems she sees you as a kindred spirit. I'm glad you have each other for support.

mathanxiety · 05/11/2022 16:55

So sad for your aunty.

Give her all the support you can. This kind of loss can carry people away.

j712adrian · 05/11/2022 16:57

That's a very sad story at all levels.

HowzAboutIt · 05/11/2022 16:58

And always has her lovely saris. She's Indian

Phew, glad you clarified that "Aunty Red Sari" is Indian

😂

feellikeanalien · 05/11/2022 17:00

So Bert separated from his wife at the age of 83. Did she know that he was meeting up with your auntie?

LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 17:11

feellikeanalien · 05/11/2022 17:00

So Bert separated from his wife at the age of 83. Did she know that he was meeting up with your auntie?

Don't know - never met her. I just know their relationship predated his marriage and her first marriage.

My first partner had an affair for two years whilst we were together so I'm not condoning Bert's behaviour. I can't imagine having an affair. In fact, it's one of those things that I have always felt very black and white about because of my own experiences as the betrayed partner.

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 05/11/2022 17:14

age is no barrier to love