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Aunty just made a sad confession

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LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 14:21

Namechanged for this.

Auntie Red Sari just told me that for the past THIRTY years - she and an old boyfriend from her teenage years have had a long term affair. He died last week at the age of 88. She is 86.

Auntie Red Sari has been married to Uncle Bald Patch for forty years. They have a mix of kids from previous marriages who are all similar ages to me. Aunty Red has now told me that Uncle Bald Patch has been a secret alcoholic for much of that time. That he would drink himself in to a stupor most nights and that she stayed with him because he had mental health issues from being sexually abused as a child and because she didn't want to break up the family home again for the kids (they would have been about ten when his drinking started) Uncle Bald Patch is a very grumpy and secretive man. Aunty Red still wears a flower in her hair and her coral lipstick and keeps her little tin of blusher in her handbag. And always has her lovely saris. She's Indian.

Her special friend who was someone we all knew - let's call him "Bertie" was a lovely funny man who would sometimes pop in at Xmas and bring little presents for the kids and chocolate for myself and my siblings (we spent a lot of time at our cousins house at Xmas and New Year) Bert wore a cardigan and a flat cap and had a little swallow tattoo on his neck. He had a wife and two children a couple of years younger than my cousins.

Bert died last week suddenly from a heart attack and Aunty Red was sobbing. I picked her up one evening this week to take her out to a family dinner and she told me that for the last thirty years, she and Bert would meet overnight in a little b&b a few towns over. They would talk and drink some wine and sleep in the same bed but she said they didn't do more than kissing because that (in her words) "would have led to us having to make decisions that would hurt the children." She had been a single mum when she met Uncle Bald Patch, she was a domestic abuse survivor and she must have felt like she had no choices. It's also very different for Indian women in her community - there are all sorts of ideas and values that she had that she couldn't break from. Such as standing by her second husband even as he became more withdrawn and silent as she said. She told me that he never comes to bed. He sleeps on the sofa in a drunken wreck. She said that the twice yearly night with Bert was the only time she could have a drink herself and relax and feel like she was a woman and not a house slave to Uncle Bald Patch's children or his controlling drinking.

She's asked me to take her to Bert's funeral. All the lightness in her seems to have disappeared. Turns out Bert was a secret boyfriend she had from her late teens and she wasn't allowed to see him because she had an arranged marriage. Bert went on to marry someone else and then his work led him to accidentally see her several years later once they both had children.

Uncle Bald Patch didn't hit Aunty Red but he was seeing other women at the start of their relationship and later the drinking took over. So she had been unhappy for a long time before Bert was on the scene. I don't know the situation with Bert's wife but they separated about five years ago. I feel so very sorry for everyone involved and how unhappy everyone must have been for so long trying to keep things good for the kids. My cousins have NO idea what's happened.

So here we are. I look around me at the various states of relationships that me and my siblings and my cousins are all in and see that nothing changes really - people do their best and they muddle along and they live their lives. Aunty Red has lost her way a bit this week. But she loves her children and grandchildren and so she's got people around her.

Complicated isn't it, life? She says next year she will go to the b&b on her own and have a glass of wine.

OP posts:
FabFitFifties · 05/11/2022 17:17

What about Bert's wife - I think I feel most sorry for her in this story. Is she still alive and obviously attending the funeral too?

LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 17:30

FabFitFifties · 05/11/2022 17:17

What about Bert's wife - I think I feel most sorry for her in this story. Is she still alive and obviously attending the funeral too?

I'd assume so, Aunty wants to be taken to the funeral and I'll take her, his ex wife would be there I imagine but I don't think it will be a showdown. Just two old ladies with their respective grief.

I hope not anyway as I'm just the chauffeur!

OP posts:
Oneearringlost · 05/11/2022 17:36

morningtoncrescent62 · 05/11/2022 16:24

Your story reminds me of this touching song by Daniel Cainer (wonderful singer-storyteller) about his grandfather and his "aunt Rae".

That's v beautiful and so apt for OPs Auntie Red Sari.
This whole thread has made me weep.
Op, that song was very apposite for your poor, grieving Auntie. Xx

Oneearringlost · 05/11/2022 17:39

I don't think I'll ever forget your story, OP.
As others have said, you write poignantly and with great sadness and love.

jonesy1999 · 05/11/2022 20:14

Sad story all round. For uncle bald patch too ( the sexual abuse) 😞

Shitfather · 05/11/2022 20:54

I’m lying in bed as a single mum feeling hopeless that I’ll never find or feel love again. Absolutely sobbing reading this. Your poor Aunty. As someone from that culture, I absolutely can understand the huge sacrifices she made. She was incredibly lucky to have had and felt the love of Bert throughout her life. He must have made her feel beautiful! Thank you for sharing her story. You conveyed it with such tenderness. I can imagine a book about her life…

Shitfather · 05/11/2022 20:55

Rippled · 05/11/2022 15:41

"let's call him "Bertie" "

But you then refer to him as "Bert" for the rest of the story..................

Get over yourself and don’t ruin the thread you silly little pedant.

Ofcourseshecan · 05/11/2022 21:03

A beautiful, sad story. I hope you keep seeing Aunty Red Sari and have some happy times together.

Sittingonabench · 05/11/2022 21:07

It is bitter sweet but the light that you talk about is strength of self and it is something to be admired. Generations of women before have gone through such difficult situations to allow us to have freedoms. Hopefully you feel free enough to leave if it came to it whereas she was trapped and had to find a way to cope. She had deep lasting love in her life which wasn’t about the physical side which I feel is true and quite rare. I wish the best for you both

ThatGirlInACountrySong · 05/11/2022 21:08

She was a cheat! Nothing 'beautiful' about this!

Gr33ngr33ngr4ss · 05/11/2022 21:24

Oh. This story is so sad and yet so lovely. Please give Auntie a big squeeze from a stranger when you see her.

W0tnow · 05/11/2022 21:32

ThatGirlInACountrySong · 05/11/2022 21:08

She was a cheat! Nothing 'beautiful' about this!

I KNEW that was coming!

ThatGirlInACountrySong · 05/11/2022 21:43

@W0tnow that's good, glad about that

W0tnow · 05/11/2022 22:35

You’re easily pleased.

Karmakamelion · 05/11/2022 23:50

Op if you're Indian to then you would surely never call an elder by their name.....

mackthepony · 06/11/2022 01:07

Beautiful

RIP Bert

Brandyb · 06/11/2022 01:29

LittleSnoozey · 05/11/2022 15:23

I think... she told me because a year ago my own husband started to drink heavily and she's been the most supportive family member I had about this. Everyone else minimised it. At the time she also said something funny to me but now I get it. She said "never forget to put on your lipstick because you never know where the love will come from."

And I just dismissed it as her being a bit old fashioned and silly. I think she was saying there's other love out there and not to give up on myself. And also I suppose - love for myself too.

My husband loves me very much but loves his alcohol more at the moment. I've been thinking about her a lot the last few hours and thinking that I'm lucky that if he doesn't improve over the next couple of years and I wanted to leave, although it would be terrible and awful I could do it. There isn't the same social stigma that she would have experienced. Financially it would be a challenge but I'm not in the same boat societally.

There would always be some hope of something else better happening in my life and I wouldn't have to feel trapped like she felt.

She's still got her lipstick and rouge and her hair flower and I think I'm going to do the same. Some little things to wear that are just for me to feel pretty.

Beautiful, thanks for sharing. I feel like there's the germ of a novel in your relationship with your aunty! These non-sexual but central, trusting, advisory relationships in life don't have much value placed on them in our society. We need to make that value and tell that person what it means to have them in your corner and that you will always bat for them.

I hope your husband can get hold of the drinking and re-prioritise you in his life. If not, ditch him and go and get you some Bertie magic dust before it's too late! But this time open and above board.

starrynight21 · 06/11/2022 02:12

Reminds me of the old film "Same Time Next Year" where the couple meets once each year for a little personal time. Beautiful. I hope Auntie is OK.

ChangedmynameagainforChristmas · 06/11/2022 10:18

@diddl · Yesterday 16:23
ChangedmynameagainforChristmas · Yesterday 15:35
Oh how sad. I have a friend who is in an arranged marriage. He is also Indian. His wife is a miserable harpy - 'helmet head' and his life with her is not easy. Nothing is ever good enough for her and I have never seen her smile. They have grown up children so it has been a long term thing.
He has had 'secrets' which have kept him sane because to divorce would have brought a shame on his parents he could not live with so he has put up with 'helmet head' and will be with her until death.
Surely life should be better than this ?
Perhaps is wife is miserable because she has been forced to marry & stay married to him?

You may well be right. After all, there are always two sides to a story. This woman however sucks the atmosphere out of a room and time after time she has ruined a get-together with her moodiness and sulking. His sister in law once said to me that she does not know how he puts up with it, so in this case I think the opposite. As far as I know the marriage was arranged but they chose each other

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