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I think my partner might be seeing someone else

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WhatToD0 · 09/10/2022 02:17

Hi all, I'm awake and can't get to sleep with thinking about the state my relationship is in. Please be kind, I'm a bit of an emotional mess right now. By way of background, we've been together 10 years and have one child aged 3.

Over the last year my partner has become increasingly distant and we just don't spend any time together. We've talked about it and it's been blamed on the stress of us both having stressful jobs and a young child, plus a hobby we both do (mostly separately at the mo due to childcare). I've been upset about the lack of intimacy and wanted to make more effort to spend time together, but he just thinks it's the inevitable consequence of being busy parents and has said he doesn't want to put more pressure on ourselves. I've really begun to feel like I don't know what's going on in his life as we spend so little time together (mostly tag-team parenting).

By and large we've tended to operate on quite a high level of trust - both gone away with friends, stayed out after work nights out etc., and not questioned it. But his ambivalence about the lack of intimacy in our relationship has really started to make me a bit worried that maybe he's getting that elsewhere.

This evening he's gone out and he left his old phone (v recently upgraded) at home, which still has some stuff on it. I know I shouldn't have looked at it as it's a breach of trust, but I am going a bit crazy with not knowing what's going on with him and thought it might give me some insight. I found a v recent nude selfie, from belly button upwards (but it's clear he's nude). There was also a smiley selfie from a few weeks ago which was only head and shoulders but also obviously topless, taken at half past midnight and I could see it had been sent to someone by WhatsApp (but couldn't see who as it's now logged out on this phone). It obviously all looks really suspicious, but could there be any other explanations? I think if it were just the more recent photo, I might be able to explain it away as something else, but with the other one having been sent to someone, it just looks dodgy.

I know it sounds stupid, but I haven't actually believed thus far that he would cheat, despite how it all sounds when I read all that back. He was so scathing last year about a family member who did so.

Any advice on what I should do next? We have already agreed to sit down in the next few days for a serious relationship talk, so I could just be honest and come clean about looking at his phone, and ask him who the photos were sent to. I'm slightly reluctant to do that as I know he'd see me looking at his phone as such a breach of trust, and as I don't know who the photos were sent to or the content of any of his communications, I don't exactly have conclusive evidence right now.

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Sandra1984 · 23/10/2022 14:31

what a piece of shyte and a liar this guy. He only came forward when he got busted. This is the way it’s going to be if you stay with him. He has zero interest in fixing his relationship with his partner, he just want pus-y, have his cake and eat it too. If that involves destroying his loved ones lives who cares?

dottiedodah · 23/10/2022 14:55

I feel for you .It is so easy for people to tell you to leave .However it is how you feel that matters. As you say you can see how you go for now ,if at any point you want out then that is an option.It is hard to trust someone after this betrayal .Counselling alone would be an option that will give you time to explore your feelings .I hope it works out for you.If you need to talk again we are here ,In 6 months or a year .Dont feel you have "failed" at all

WhatToD0 · 23/10/2022 15:14

Thanks lovely supportive people.

I have tried looking at Chumplady but I can't stand the language/style of it, and honestly I don't think human relationships are that black and white. I much prefer the approach of Surviving Infidelity which offers info/support whether you chose to leave and cut all contact, or whether you decide to try and reconcile.

Whoever it was that said I'm the only person that knows what's right for me - you are correct. Even if someone else has been in exactly the same situation as me, that doesn't mean this will turn out the same. And even if it does, I need to go on that journey myself.

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WhatToD0 · 23/10/2022 15:20

I guess it's also worth saying that I am not seeing the possibility of staying together as a continuation of what our relationship has been. It has to be radically different. We've both been crap at communication (that's not to justify him cheating), and need to find a new way of being together if it has any chance of working. And, as I've said, I might decide after a period of counselling and thinking it through etc that staying together isn't the right thing.

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CleopatrasBeautifulNose · 23/10/2022 15:32

Very wise op. 💐

TheHappyLoser · 23/10/2022 19:02

It's your life, MN doesn't get to decide what you do, it's going to be hard whichever path you take, wishing you well.

Ginmonkey84 · 23/10/2022 19:26

The biggest stand out thing in this whole thread for me is when you sat down and asked him if there was anyone else, or ever anyone else and he lied straight to your face. You believed him in that moment and you felt bad for looking at his phone.
Your husband is clearly capable of lying and manipulating with ease. He can pull you in, spin you lines to appease you. Of course he’s remorseful, he got caught. 18 months of lying and deceit having little to no intimacy with you as he was happy getting it elsewhere. Please be careful OP.

Pastryapronsucks · 27/10/2022 09:20

How are you doing OP? I read this thread a few days ago and keep thinking about you. I am a stayer.

My partner (of18 years at the time) had a drunk ONS 8 years ago. We had 2 x small DCs andwas suffering a PND at the time. He cited lack of attention and affection as his reason for being weak (what a cliche). My partner had never ever done anything like that before, he is a great Dad and a really great bloke. Unfortunately he did a stupid, disrespectful and selfish thing.

A few weeks after discovery we both went all guns blazing to save our relationship. Things improved and seemed positive. We had reationship counseling which helped our communication but did nothing to ease my feelings and sense of betrayal. About 6 - 18 months post DDay things deteriorated and it was living hell. One of the self help books I read called this phase 'dead bodies rising to the surface', then gradually over the next few years the pain faded. I don't constantly worry or 'check up' anymore but there is always an underlying 'disapointment' and at times a sadness.

I recently had a cancer scare and another dead body appeared. What if he suffers from lack of attention again? Of course he was horrified but that is the reality of staying. You/he can never say never again. When you are feeling down or unsettled feelings will still emerge.

I am feeling particularly sensitive ATM because 14 September is his date. 31st Oct/1st Nov was DDay. So I am in the weird period where I knew something was wrong but had no idea my world was about to implode.

My advice to you would be don't rush to make a decision. The temptation is to try and make it a go away even though your head is telling you 'this is a new relationship' your heart wants to go back.

Make it clear to him that you have not made a final decision and may not do so for months, even years. Many men are happy to put the work in initialy but get resentful when you are still struggling 1 year, 2 years, wven 8 years later

Remembering this is not on you. If your partner was unhappy he could and should have talked to you. Don't try to take the burden of healing on you shoulders, he should be leading this process.

Take time to nurture yoursel and give your brain a rest from all this shit. Whatever make you feels happy, time with friends, a walk somewhere beautiful, a great book, music or film something lovely to eat or drink. For me it was long hot baths riding my horse and I took up kick boxing. I still kickbox and am now a brown belt!

I wish you strength and peace however it works out x

Pastryapronsucks · 27/10/2022 09:39

Sorry for the typos. My thumbs can't keep up with my thoughts!

EmmaDilemma5 · 27/10/2022 09:40

I think, whilst you obviously know yourself best, you also are going to go into survival mode. You have a young child, a new job and entwined lives. Choosing to stay is much easier all round.

But he didn't come clean. He got caught and hedged his bets. He now has you, in a very vulnerable state, and his girlfriend at work. What makes you think he will keep it 'only work' after 18 months of lying to your face?

You can't trust him anymore, so staying together won't be real. All he's telling you isn't real, he's just trying to get back to an equilibrium.

I hope counselling helps you see that this isn't a healthy relationship or family for your child. That you deserve someone who doesn't lie and cheat on you. That you deserve to feel secure.

All the best.

WhatToD0 · 27/10/2022 17:35

Thanks for sharing your experiences @Pastryapronsucks. It's so useful to hear from others who have been through similar. I'm ok, started counselling, which has already helped me articulate some of the things I've been feeling.

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Herejustforthisone · 27/10/2022 18:27

What is he doing to make this up to you? What meaningful things?

CrushedPistachios · 27/10/2022 18:45

I’m glad you’re finding the counselling helpful op.

I echo what some other posters have said, almost the hardest betrayal is the point at which he looked you in the eye and responded with lies before you discovered further information. You offered him a point of confession and atonement but he didn’t think you worthy of knowing the truth about your life and relationship.

I would personally massively struggle with knowing that he had corrupted my child in his sordid goings on, it’s just so horrible.

have you read much about the ‘hysterical bonding’ phase of discovering infidelity?

PopGoesTheProsecco · 28/10/2022 19:11

How are you OP? So sorry you're going through this. I've not been on MN for a while so only just saw your thread and didn't want to 'read and run'. It's sad to read.

I went through a similar thing 10 years ago and I don't think I'd have got through it (sanity intact) without the support, love and sometimes (to be honest) 'tough love' of fellow Mumsnetters.

I finally broke free of the liar/cheat and I am now much happier for it. Though at the time I couldn't picture my life without him. The counselling helped me massively and made me realise I was way stronger than I thought I was.

I really wish you the best. 💐

Quiegal · 07/11/2022 07:33

@WhatToD0

How are you doing?

I am glad you found out the trust always trust your gut instinct.

I know you said your counselling but have you both going counselling together.. it's not all down to you why he was unhappy.

Why he cheated? Why is he unhappy? Can you trust that he won't lie again to you? Has he totally blocked the OW?
Is he in love with her?

If he is tell him not point staying here. If she more of what he feels makes him happy go. I just hope changes are made from both of you not just you. Not you trying to continually change for him is he changing for you to become better.

I personally feel if I am making a man unhappy let him go. I hope it makes you both stronger if your still together. But getting past an affair hard not just for you but for him too.
Is he over her?

He doing everything you ask to gain your trust then he might think your will forget and do it again. Please make sure he is happy to be with you. Because you don't want him to keep repeating it if he unhappy.

Beano76 · 17/02/2023 10:35

Would he like to explain all the dodgy photos then that weren’t sent to you.. just challenge it ffs.

Beano76 · 17/02/2023 10:38

Have seen the update. Am so sorry. These types are utterly ruthless - as are the women who collude with it. Keep your boundaries with the house, child access and don’t imagine for one moment this man is your friend.

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