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I think my partner might be seeing someone else

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WhatToD0 · 09/10/2022 02:17

Hi all, I'm awake and can't get to sleep with thinking about the state my relationship is in. Please be kind, I'm a bit of an emotional mess right now. By way of background, we've been together 10 years and have one child aged 3.

Over the last year my partner has become increasingly distant and we just don't spend any time together. We've talked about it and it's been blamed on the stress of us both having stressful jobs and a young child, plus a hobby we both do (mostly separately at the mo due to childcare). I've been upset about the lack of intimacy and wanted to make more effort to spend time together, but he just thinks it's the inevitable consequence of being busy parents and has said he doesn't want to put more pressure on ourselves. I've really begun to feel like I don't know what's going on in his life as we spend so little time together (mostly tag-team parenting).

By and large we've tended to operate on quite a high level of trust - both gone away with friends, stayed out after work nights out etc., and not questioned it. But his ambivalence about the lack of intimacy in our relationship has really started to make me a bit worried that maybe he's getting that elsewhere.

This evening he's gone out and he left his old phone (v recently upgraded) at home, which still has some stuff on it. I know I shouldn't have looked at it as it's a breach of trust, but I am going a bit crazy with not knowing what's going on with him and thought it might give me some insight. I found a v recent nude selfie, from belly button upwards (but it's clear he's nude). There was also a smiley selfie from a few weeks ago which was only head and shoulders but also obviously topless, taken at half past midnight and I could see it had been sent to someone by WhatsApp (but couldn't see who as it's now logged out on this phone). It obviously all looks really suspicious, but could there be any other explanations? I think if it were just the more recent photo, I might be able to explain it away as something else, but with the other one having been sent to someone, it just looks dodgy.

I know it sounds stupid, but I haven't actually believed thus far that he would cheat, despite how it all sounds when I read all that back. He was so scathing last year about a family member who did so.

Any advice on what I should do next? We have already agreed to sit down in the next few days for a serious relationship talk, so I could just be honest and come clean about looking at his phone, and ask him who the photos were sent to. I'm slightly reluctant to do that as I know he'd see me looking at his phone as such a breach of trust, and as I don't know who the photos were sent to or the content of any of his communications, I don't exactly have conclusive evidence right now.

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Andypandy799 · 12/10/2022 07:14

WhatToD0 · 12/10/2022 06:58

@isthismylifenow I'm actually going away for a few days to stay with family. I need some time away from him and also from all the triggers in our home. The bathroom triggers flashbacks to those selfies, every time I see a photo of him or us from the last 18 months I think 'he was sleeping with her already by then'. I've spent hours lying awake in our bed in the last week, staring at the pictures on the wall, feeling anxious about our relationship (prior to discovery), then thinking about the horribly painful things he's done (since discovery). I need to get away from this place for a few days.

Although we are now engaged in a dialogue that does feel helpful, I think some time apart would also be good.

Obviously we don’t know everything about the dynamics of your relationship, but you are grieving.

Your child is only 3 so won’t miss her dad for a few months. Why not tel him he needs to find somewhere to stay for the foreseeable to give you space?

I wouldn’t want my partner anywhere near me if I were you and would have chucked his stuff in a skip

Wowzers12 · 22/10/2022 18:49

How is it going @WhatToD0

Sending hugs and hope you are ok xxx

jeffbezoz · 22/10/2022 18:57

WhatToD0 · 10/10/2022 17:53

Not needed - I've managed to do the personal investigation myself!

Gosh I'm so sorry about this whole thing. Some men are just horrific. Your gut was right. Good luck. You're best off out there away from him X

LadyLolaRuben · 22/10/2022 19:33

I read this thread the night you posted it OP. Sorry to hear the news. Been there, found the messages and and suffered the consequences - 12 year relationship ended by workplace affair. How are you?

Hawkins001 · 22/10/2022 19:50

LadyLolaRuben · 22/10/2022 19:33

I read this thread the night you posted it OP. Sorry to hear the news. Been there, found the messages and and suffered the consequences - 12 year relationship ended by workplace affair. How are you?

With my ex, currently she's around 12-14 years in the relationship married between 10-12 years, but from a friend of a friend, it seems one of them maybe having an affair.

I must admit, if true, I'm surprised if it is my ex, that's having the affair, as usually she's been the faithful type.

Julia234 · 22/10/2022 19:58

My friend had the exact same. His excuse when confronted was that because they had a bad relationship he was taking photos to try and spice the relationship up-I’m paraphrasing.

Turns out he was on online hookup sites and send pictures (nothing physical at that point). He said he missed attention. Very immature in my opinion.

millymollymoomoo · 22/10/2022 20:00

I know it’s very early days and things will sort themselves out over time but he’s not going to be responsible for making your life as easy as possible nor financially contributing to maintaining your home long term.. Child Maintenance yes but nothing else long term. Even if he agrees now it’s likely he won’t for long and he doesn’t have to do you need to think about this

Julia234 · 22/10/2022 20:08

Sorry OP, just read update.

Really shit, so sorry you’re in this position.

WhatToD0 · 22/10/2022 20:41

Thanks for thinking of me and checking in @Wowzers12.

Things are calmer this week - I'm sleeping and eating again, have been able to work etc.

You might think I'm totally bonkers, but I'm still with him. On the day I found out I absolutely thought that was it, that we'd break up, he'd move out etc. But since then I've read lots about experiences of infidelity, spoken to various friends, and think that continuing our relationship is a possibility, but only under very specific conditions. If I get even the slightest whiff of him being defensive or secretive then that's it, but so far he is being very transparent and accepting total responsibility for it all, acknowledging how much harm he's caused and how long it might take me to heal. He's allowing me to rage at him if I need to, to ask him questions etc.

I am starting counselling next week, and am absolutely planning to use that as a space to think through whether I'm doing the right thing for me.

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FartNRoses · 22/10/2022 21:04

WhatToD0 · 22/10/2022 20:41

Thanks for thinking of me and checking in @Wowzers12.

Things are calmer this week - I'm sleeping and eating again, have been able to work etc.

You might think I'm totally bonkers, but I'm still with him. On the day I found out I absolutely thought that was it, that we'd break up, he'd move out etc. But since then I've read lots about experiences of infidelity, spoken to various friends, and think that continuing our relationship is a possibility, but only under very specific conditions. If I get even the slightest whiff of him being defensive or secretive then that's it, but so far he is being very transparent and accepting total responsibility for it all, acknowledging how much harm he's caused and how long it might take me to heal. He's allowing me to rage at him if I need to, to ask him questions etc.

I am starting counselling next week, and am absolutely planning to use that as a space to think through whether I'm doing the right thing for me.

OP, you’re a much better person than I am.
I would’ve thrown him out straight away. 18 months of lies and cheating? No sireee!!
I do wish you all the best.

popcornfrenzy · 22/10/2022 21:43

WhatToD0 · 22/10/2022 20:41

Thanks for thinking of me and checking in @Wowzers12.

Things are calmer this week - I'm sleeping and eating again, have been able to work etc.

You might think I'm totally bonkers, but I'm still with him. On the day I found out I absolutely thought that was it, that we'd break up, he'd move out etc. But since then I've read lots about experiences of infidelity, spoken to various friends, and think that continuing our relationship is a possibility, but only under very specific conditions. If I get even the slightest whiff of him being defensive or secretive then that's it, but so far he is being very transparent and accepting total responsibility for it all, acknowledging how much harm he's caused and how long it might take me to heal. He's allowing me to rage at him if I need to, to ask him questions etc.

I am starting counselling next week, and am absolutely planning to use that as a space to think through whether I'm doing the right thing for me.

OP, I found out that my 'D'P had cheated and stayed - it was the worst thing I could have done. He was very transparent and remorseful but the damage had been done. I was suspicious and the trust was all gone. As long as you can get through it and make it work then good for you. A year and half affair is very hard to forgive in my opinion. What was his excuse for starting it in the first place?

katem98 · 22/10/2022 21:48

@WhatToD0 I wouldn't know what I would do until I was in your situation. It works out for a lot of people who stay, I genuinely wish you all the best.

Herejustforthisone · 23/10/2022 07:23

I’m sad to see you’re still there. 😞

CleopatrasBeautifulNose · 23/10/2022 07:49

All the best op. At least if it doesn't work no one can say you didn't try.

WatieKatie · 23/10/2022 10:31

It’s good to hear that you are eating and sleeping and in a slightly better place compared to when this started.

Clearly you know your DH and it’s entirely your decision to stay but I would question just how remorseful he is. Is it over the affair and the hurt he has caused you or simply that he got caught? I suspect the latter.

You were brave enough to confront him when you had suspicions. He sat there and lied to your face. Then when you did find proof, suddenly he remembers that yes he is having an affair, for the last 18m, but didn’t want to. It was OW threatening to tell people if he ended things. Again more lies. It doesn’t seem that he’s taken any responsibility in this.

At what point he is going to put you first? How are you ever going to believe another word that he says?

PatriciaPattersonGimlin · 23/10/2022 11:12

Good luck with that OP.

Ratherperplexed · 23/10/2022 11:18

Good luck OP. Hope it goes well for you. It is suggested no rash decisions are made in the light of discovery. However if you do intend to carry on with him, he has to actively show he is genuinely still wanting the marriage. Ended it with affair partner (phone call with you present), total openess with mobile, Life 360 phone tracker etc. These may help qualm any triggers invading your thoughts.

More to the point though, he has to show his total remorse through actions rather than words.

If ultimately if you can't get over his affair, there is nothing wrong with accepting that he has destroyed your marriage.
All the best.

crochetandacuppa · 23/10/2022 11:45

Solidarity OP, I’m going through the same process (currently almost 4 months since D-Day). It’s a real rollercoaster. You’re experiencing and processing trauma and grieving the marriage you thought you had, which is so so hard. I’d definitely recommend individual counselling (for both of you) and giving yourself lots of time and patience. Some days you’ll feel more positive, others something will trigger you and you’ll feel as though you’re back at square one. Affair Recovery videos have helped us, as has Terry Real’s Fierce Intimacy book, which has given us some really helpful communication strategies.

But yes, as PPs have said, he needs to be the one to do the work, to help you feel safe, to hold space for your feelings and to be completely open and accountable.

Wowzers12 · 23/10/2022 13:15

@WhatToD0 It sounds like you've thought about it and made the best decision for you at this time. I hope it works out for you OP. The counselling sounds like it's a good starting point and maybe something you can both explore together too xxx

Noxpox · 23/10/2022 13:45

@WhatToD0 you have to do what’s right for you but are you not just pro longing the pain? 9 times out of 10 they WILL do it again, and will you ever trust him again? I think a one night stand where they were very drunk and confessed and never did it again is one thing (but still unforgivable in my eyes) however 18 months of him lying and sleeping with someone else is another thing altogether. He has made you doubt yourself and your relationship in that time making you wonder why things weren’t great. When in all that time he was taking another woman away for a cosy night away?! And he didn’t confess, he got caught out. He is only saying what most will say when caught out. He will feel guilty and his instinct will be to try and make it up to you. But when the dust settles the reasons he cheated will still be there and the trust will still be broken. Why is it that the majority of women take men back when they cheat but the majority of men wouldn’t take a woman back? 🤷‍♀️

WhatToD0 · 23/10/2022 13:49

Thanks everyone. I do understand the reactions of those who think I'm crazy to still be with him. It's hard to accurately portray how things are in writing, but I do believe he is feeling remorse, and relief that it's over. He says he's been miserable living this double life and I do believe that - I know him very well, and I've seen how unhappy he's been (increasingly so over the last 2 years). That's not to say I feel sorry for him in any way or to excuse what he's done, just to illustrate why I do believe him when he says that he's glad it's over.

There are a few principles I'm living by or have stipulated for him right now:

  • no rash decisions (I'm taking my time to think things through...me staying with him now doesn't mean that'll be my final decision - and he knows that)
  • none of this is my fault
  • he's the one that needs to put in the hard work
  • total transparency
  • I'm allowed to ask him anything and he needs to answer willingly
  • no contact with her other than strictly necessary for work or to restate boundaries

Probably some others too. I really have thought long and hard about what is best for me right now and having him move out isn't it. But I'm on high alert for any further BS and he knows it.

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WhatToD0 · 23/10/2022 13:54

Sorry you're going through it too @crochetandacuppa . Really useful tips, thank you.

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crochetandacuppa · 23/10/2022 14:11

@WhatToD0 No problem. If you need someone to talk to, feel free to send me a message 💐

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 23/10/2022 14:13

You might want to do some reading on Chumplady.com

Good luck to you.💐

Fraaahnces · 23/10/2022 14:14

I know you may not feel it all the time (or any of the time), but knowing what you want - even for now - is a sign of strength. Standing up for what you want in the face of everyone’s unsolicited opinions is further proof. You are not everyone else, you are YOU. You will get to the bottom of your truth and work out what is best for you in the long term. I’m so proud of you.

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