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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Abusive relationship?

57 replies

WhatDoWeDo2022 · 23/09/2022 21:32

DD (18) first boyfriend was a couple of years back. He would pop over after work, take her out, buy her little bunches of flowers and after a while we would have card nights, BBQs etc.
it fizzled out quite amicably for what ever reason and they both moved on.

new boyfriend, arrived on the scene possibly 6 months/1 year ago. I have never met him face to face, couple of times walking in on a face time call to wave hello and that’s it even though I had offered. He would pick her up late at night once I was asleep for overnight stays at his house, she would be gone days sometimes but I always stayed in touch and I thought things were all good. I now know she was lying to me.

she is obsessed with him, they fight a lot and although I don’t believe it’s become violent it has been nasty emotionally, probably on both sides but not always.
I have tried to stay impartial, let her know I love her etc they have broken up multiple times and she has always come back home to me.

things have very recently taken a turn for the worse, She has changed, she has lost too much weight, lost her job again, stopped going to the gym, seeing her friends and us. My once funny and life loving daughter is a shell of herself.

I should add now that she is autistic, late diagnosis even though I went back and forth with all the agencies for years. She received a formal diagnosis when she was nearly 14. She turned 18 four months ago. She has always thrived from routine and structure.

she was very open and honest with me (so I thought) and her sister and after a few very upset nights after break ups she admitted he is a local drug dealer. Then I discovered she is doing balloons (laughing gas) large quantities which he is giving her. I pray it’s not more but I honestly can’t trust what she is saying.

her sister put her in her maps so we knew where she was when he moved out of area with his parent. A few weeks ago, DD had a terrible evening which i believe was an overuse of these canisters and balloons and accumulated in frantic calls telling us she didn’t know where she was and someone she didn’t know/want was in a car with her.

we went to find her (DDs Dad and I in one car and her sister and friend in another) and whilst driving around back alleys and business estates using the maps location we came across his very distinctive car parked up.
DD wasn’t with him although he did verbally abuse us and threaten us etc
we found her and bought her home but she left in the early hours.

she is now saying she won’t tell us where she is or come home until we apologise to him face to face for “embarrassing him” and “intimidating him” she loves him and will move in with him if we don’t do as she says.

thank you if you have got this far, I know it’s long but I really need to know what I should do.

part of me wants to pass his details somewhere in case he hurts her, I have this feeling of dread. I’m currently blocked on her phone but I don’t know if she knows that, ie he has blocked me? and the last time before the above happened he told her to choose between him and us which she told her sister. He then sent her sister pics of DD at his and when she called he answered her phone, laughed and hung up. I’ve talked to DD about this and she said he told her, he did it to show us she was safe because he knew we didn’t know where she was at that time.

or am I over reacting and should I let DD make her own choices whilst knowing she can always come home?

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Louloudaisy2020 · 23/09/2022 21:42

Gosh this is tough...she's unfortunately at that age where she is going to do the exact opposite you tell her to do and rebel if you interfere.

Whilst I'm not saying any of this is okay, this type of behaviour and actions are sadly very common in teenagers these days.

There are 2 options. You either let her make her own choices and support her as much as you can. OR, if you genuinely feel like she is in severe danger, report him to the police and make the decision for her. Be well prepared for her to hate you for a long long time should you do the latter.

Either way, drug dealing is illegal boyfriend or not. If you have solid evidence that this is true and not just rumours, I would report him anonymously regardless.

I'm sorry OP. This all sounds really horrendous and my advice probably isn't the best! I hope it all works out for you.

category12 · 23/09/2022 21:44

You're not overreacting, it must be terrifying.

Unfortunately I don't think there's an awful lot you can do until she's ready to give him up/recognises it's abusive.

I'd lean towards pretending to accept their relationship and apologising to him (even while despising him internally), and being as calm, steady and constant as you can be towards her. If you get opportunity, talk about healthy/unhealthy relationships maybe in the context of talking about storylines in tv shows or something just to give a counterpoint to the madness and drama of her relationship with him.

Always4Brenner · 23/09/2022 21:50

This ‘balloons’ craze is horrific it did the rounds 200 years ago but seriously she’s in danger from this but as others have said push too hard she could rebel, just be there for her.

WhatDoWeDo2022 · 23/09/2022 21:58

Always4Brenner · 23/09/2022 21:50

This ‘balloons’ craze is horrific it did the rounds 200 years ago but seriously she’s in danger from this but as others have said push too hard she could rebel, just be there for her.

After the driving about situation I collected her car the next morning with her sister.

there were thousands of balloons and white caps in the car along with huge canisters, 4 empty and 2 full plus hundreds of cotton buds??

she has sworn she won’t do them again but I need to apologise to him for intimidating him and threatening him as he was on his own.
he was parked up in a business estate at midnight and I had my PJs on!

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category12 · 23/09/2022 22:05

Yeah, I'm sure you have nothing to apologise for - but I think I still would, just say something like "sorry if I came off badly that night, I was really scared for dd and not thinking straight".

At 18 she can just fuck off out of your life and nothing you can do about it, so maybe swallowing it down is the best way to go. 🙁

WhatDoWeDo2022 · 23/09/2022 22:08

Louloudaisy2020 · 23/09/2022 21:42

Gosh this is tough...she's unfortunately at that age where she is going to do the exact opposite you tell her to do and rebel if you interfere.

Whilst I'm not saying any of this is okay, this type of behaviour and actions are sadly very common in teenagers these days.

There are 2 options. You either let her make her own choices and support her as much as you can. OR, if you genuinely feel like she is in severe danger, report him to the police and make the decision for her. Be well prepared for her to hate you for a long long time should you do the latter.

Either way, drug dealing is illegal boyfriend or not. If you have solid evidence that this is true and not just rumours, I would report him anonymously regardless.

I'm sorry OP. This all sounds really horrendous and my advice probably isn't the best! I hope it all works out for you.

I don’t have any solid proof of his drug dealing and unfortunately I can’t trust DDs word at this point.

DDS dad is saying the same as you have said regarding making her own choices.

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WhatDoWeDo2022 · 23/09/2022 22:36

category12 · 23/09/2022 22:05

Yeah, I'm sure you have nothing to apologise for - but I think I still would, just say something like "sorry if I came off badly that night, I was really scared for dd and not thinking straight".

At 18 she can just fuck off out of your life and nothing you can do about it, so maybe swallowing it down is the best way to go. 🙁

Thank you so much. You are right.

these past few days I’ve said DD needs to ask dad, she even wrote him a letter.
DH is adamant not to talk to him after that night, I think I’m more open and desperate.

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Dery · 23/09/2022 23:05

You have nothing to apologise for but you must do so - don’t give this awful man an excuse to cut you out of your daughter’s life. Don’t make her feel she has to choose between him and you because that risks driving her towards him. Your husband needs to understand the dynamics of dealing with an abuser with whom your daughter is involved are terribly tricky but the key thing is not to give the abuser grounds to cut you out.

Dery · 23/09/2022 23:06

You might find it interesting to read “Helping Her Break Free” - it’s written for relatives and friends of women in abusive relationships.

WhatDoWeDo2022 · 23/09/2022 23:20

Dery · 23/09/2022 23:05

You have nothing to apologise for but you must do so - don’t give this awful man an excuse to cut you out of your daughter’s life. Don’t make her feel she has to choose between him and you because that risks driving her towards him. Your husband needs to understand the dynamics of dealing with an abuser with whom your daughter is involved are terribly tricky but the key thing is not to give the abuser grounds to cut you out.

Thank you.

I will offer tomorrow and follow @category12 wise words and any other help

i feel useless right now

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Dahliasstillinbloom · 23/09/2022 23:32

I’d pass his description, name, car reg, address, all info I had on him to the police. Suspicion of drug dealing is enough. I think your DD would be classed as vulnerable due to her autism.
Years ago in my professional life I had to deal with the aftermath of a young woman with borderline learning difficulties who’d become involved with a local drug dealer. It had become a really bad situation.

WhatDoWeDo2022 · 23/09/2022 23:42

Dahliasstillinbloom · 23/09/2022 23:32

I’d pass his description, name, car reg, address, all info I had on him to the police. Suspicion of drug dealing is enough. I think your DD would be classed as vulnerable due to her autism.
Years ago in my professional life I had to deal with the aftermath of a young woman with borderline learning difficulties who’d become involved with a local drug dealer. It had become a really bad situation.

I do appreciate your post
I'm so scared to tar DD with anything only related to him
I'm equally scared what he will do to her
if that makes sense?

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WhatDoWeDo2022 · 24/09/2022 02:17

bumb for the night

I need all the help I can’t get pls

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WhatDoWeDo2022 · 24/09/2022 11:00

Dery · 23/09/2022 23:06

You might find it interesting to read “Helping Her Break Free” - it’s written for relatives and friends of women in abusive relationships.

Thank you, I’ll take a look

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WhatDoWeDo2022 · 09/10/2022 21:57

update

they are on another break up. Last night, he called her and threatened to kill her.
she called the police

we have had police in the house taking statements to document last night

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Andypandy799 · 10/10/2022 07:56

Hope everything is ok after last night. Hope she is well

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 10/10/2022 10:31

See if she will do the freedom programme, its online, and possibly even get her to a counsellor for a few sessions to explore why this happened and hopefully prevent it happening again. Autistic people are more vulnerable to abusers, but if she has the right tools to recognise abuser behaviour that will help her.

WhatDoWeDo2022 · 10/10/2022 10:43

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 10/10/2022 10:31

See if she will do the freedom programme, its online, and possibly even get her to a counsellor for a few sessions to explore why this happened and hopefully prevent it happening again. Autistic people are more vulnerable to abusers, but if she has the right tools to recognise abuser behaviour that will help her.

That’s a really good idea, I’ll take a look at the programme online.
the police officer did leave some contact numbers with her for support which I’ll also take a look at with her.

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Andypandy799 · 10/10/2022 11:41

@WhatDoWeDo2022 good luck and just be there as much as you can

WhatDoWeDo2023 · 12/11/2022 20:17

I’m back, DD is back with him and back on the balloons

since last posting I’ve accompanied her on 2 trips to A&E till 3am for passing out/fitting behind the wheel of a car (stationary both times thankfully)

and had the police to my door once because of him stalking her.
she had got her routine back, was eating well and going to work (I believed her)

tonight, I’ve had him on the phone to me twice, I’ve driven to try and find her for an hour and just had her call my phone to call me a cunt, shit parent and telling me to go fuck my self

she is obviously on something and I’m at a loss to what to do.

thisisasurvivor · 12/11/2022 20:32

Oh my god

This is awful

As someone who fled abuse this sounds very serious

Ring police

Let them know how it has escalated

He sounds very dangerous

Poor you will be keeping you in my prayers 😢😢

WhatDoWeDo2023 · 12/11/2022 20:40

He has just smashed her wing mirror on her car, smashed in to the side of it. She is at a friend who I don’t know from work - messaged her older sister who sent me the pictures of her car.

she won’t answer my call and told her sister I’ve told her to fuck off (I didn’t, and never would, she was too high when we last spoke)

I don’t know where she is and he has a new private plate on his car (I saw that today but didn’t take it down)

@thisisasurvivor my family won’t let me update the police tonight, she is 18 told us all to fuck off and they are all at their wits end where I’m more worried about DD than anything else

Rega26 · 12/11/2022 20:54

I am in a very similar situation with my 19 year old DD. Her and her BF are frequently breaking up - 99% of the time it's him and she goes straight back when he decides to "forgive" her.
He is a small time dealer in weed and has many enemies locally - he even had to disappear for a bit after threats to kill him.
He has been in trouble with the police numerous times but there's no concrete evidence I have got to report him for anything further.
He is very controlling and verbally abusive towards her. She assures me he has never been physically abusive but I feel its only a matter of time...
She hardly comes home anymore and dropped out of college and was fired from a great job because of all the drama and anxiety surrounding their relationship.

I'm so worried about her and I'm at a loss as to what to do. All I feel I can do now is remind her I'm here for her and keep in contact because I don't want to push her further towards him.

WhatDoWeDo2023 · 12/11/2022 20:59

Rega26 · 12/11/2022 20:54

I am in a very similar situation with my 19 year old DD. Her and her BF are frequently breaking up - 99% of the time it's him and she goes straight back when he decides to "forgive" her.
He is a small time dealer in weed and has many enemies locally - he even had to disappear for a bit after threats to kill him.
He has been in trouble with the police numerous times but there's no concrete evidence I have got to report him for anything further.
He is very controlling and verbally abusive towards her. She assures me he has never been physically abusive but I feel its only a matter of time...
She hardly comes home anymore and dropped out of college and was fired from a great job because of all the drama and anxiety surrounding their relationship.

I'm so worried about her and I'm at a loss as to what to do. All I feel I can do now is remind her I'm here for her and keep in contact because I don't want to push her further towards him.

I’m so sorry Rega26
its so, so hard isn’t it?
I truly want to support her, she is making many mistakes with him and being so vile to us. How much are we meant to take before he takes it too far.

it’s crazy that she told her older sister today to fuck off and call her a cunt. It’s, ironically my birthday today. We had a lovely day. She chose balloons over us and I can’t believe a word she is telling me at this point.

Rega26 · 12/11/2022 21:07

First of all Happy Birthday! I'm glad you still managed to enjoy your day.

My daughter is vile to all of us (parents and 3 siblings) but mostly it's directed at me if I say anything unsupportive of their relationship. She tells me to fuck off and only gets in touch when she wants something.

Before him she was so outgoing and confident but he has squashed that and she is now on antidepressants because of her situation.

I blame myself because I'm in an unhappy marriage where I am a doormat and I feel like I have set a very poor example to her. That is about to change though as we are separating.

It was so much easier when they were little and we could protect them wasn't it?