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Should I tell him everything about my past?

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obsessive101 · 18/08/2022 20:08

I am 26. My boyfriend is 24. We have been video chatting for 6 months after meeting at a virtual conference but I haven’t met him yet—I am flying to see him next month. We have spent hundreds of hours on call. He is very open and has only had one sexual/romantic relationship. I have had more, many of which he is aware of, but he is of a more conservative mindset when it comes to how many people someone has been with. I have never had vaginal intercourse; most of my encounters have been oral sex. In my late teens I disclosed childhood trauma for the first time and became hyper-sexual, resulting in 2 minor hookups he doesn’t know about which occurred about 8 years ago. Another one, during a second bout of trauma processing gone bad, occurred 3 years ago, was brief, and involved brief oral sex (giving) and kissing.

It has taken me a long time to be more and more open with him about my past encounters. I didn’t even remember one of them until after I was done with the conversation (just great). He knows of my relationship sexual activities, and recently about another hookup which occurred 8 years ago in high school, and the discussion of that didn’t go great as he was unhappy he was finding out this late (8 months) into the relationship. He then asked me to get STI testing before my visit (which is reasonable; I made an appointment for tomorrow). He has said before that there is a limit of people someone has been with for him to want to have a relationship
but said there is no set number.

I feel at this point that the hazy-recollection hookups I chose not to disclose were so long ago, and so out of character, that they are irrelevant to my current relationship. If I test negative for STIs I will feel much better about this, though not 100%. Last night he asked who else I’d been sexual with and I said “No—I have told you my sexual history in a way that [I feel] is complete.” He seemed to accept this. It would be really difficult to explain to him over time how previous hookups are related to trauma, as he would struggle to see it that way—he would likely only see it from a practical, objective standpoint.

I have lost hours of sleep over this. My days are spent ruminating, not paying attention in conversations with others because this is the only thing on my mind: the guilt, that I am lying, that I am choosing to keep those instances between me and my therapist. I am consumed by this. I have barely eaten. I just need some outside thoughts on this. I’m not looking for “leave him” comments, I just need some honest support.

OP posts:
RefuseTheLies · 18/08/2022 20:54

Hello! I’ve been with my husband for 15 years. He’s never once asked me anything about my history of sexual partners (which is looooooong) because it’s none of his business. And yours is none of this person’s business either. Especially if he is going to use the information against you (which it sounds like he will).

SouperNoodle · 18/08/2022 20:55

This sounds so intense for someone you haven't met yet. People are who they want to be online. No one is truly themselves so for him to be this controlling already when you've not even met the 'real him' yet is concerning.
Your sexual history is your own and you do not have to disclose it to anyone.
The fact that he wants to know every time you've given oral is insane.

Please do not go and meet this man. Find someone in real life who is understanding and caring.

obsessive101 · 18/08/2022 20:57

One of the things that makes the guilt worse is that he is SO (genuinely) kind and affectionate and otherwise I feel so safe with him, and he feels very safe from me. So I've nearly killed myself from guilt, but a part of me wonders if I should meet him in person first before worrying. But even then, the longer things go on, the worse it might be if I reveal this to him even later. He asked me upfront and I feel bad, but it just feels like it's too complicated and irrelevant.

OP posts:
Monr0e · 18/08/2022 21:01

You do not need to tell this man anything. He has no right to demand that information from you. I have been with DH for 25 years, he has never asked to know any specifics about any previous sexual encounters. And if he did, he'd be told to wind his neck in and mind his own business.

A relationship is not built on guilt, neither is it built on control. You haven't even met, but you're already worried about his reactions to your perfectly normal past and feeling like you owe him explanations. You don't. I hope you realise this is not the right man for you before you get even more enmeshed.

Beamur · 18/08/2022 21:01

Your sexual history is absolutely none of his business.
You don't have to tell him anything at all.
His line about having an acceptable number - but not telling you what it is, is frankly enough by itself for you to bin him off.
He can fuck right off with that implicit judgement and moral high ground.
He's not your boyfriend. He's someone you've been chatting with online. You owe him nothing and the fact that you haven't met and he's jerking you around and making you second guess yourself is RED FLAG central.

SultanOfSwing · 18/08/2022 21:04

He’s demanded you to get an STI check for a non penetrative sexual encounter 8 years ago? And he’s said that there is a limit to the number of previous sexual encounters (of any sort!) that he finds acceptable, but won’t say what that number is?

These are very disturbing signs. You cannot change the past, and he shouldn’t be punishing you for the past, or demanding that you reveal the past.

As others have said, this is classic controlling behaviour.

please try to remember that you have done nothing wrong. Virtually every woman in the western world by the age of 26 has had multiple sexual encounters of the sort you describe. The overwhelming majority have probably also had PIV sex. The only way that you are unusual is that you haven’t.

SouperNoodle · 18/08/2022 21:05

Don't feel bad. I was raped a few years ago and it is NOT included in my sexual history/the number of men I've slept with.
It does not count because there was nothing sexual about it. It was traumatic.

Just like your trauma, it does not count in your sexual history as there is nothing sexual about assault.
Please be kind to yourself.

LooseGoose22 · 18/08/2022 21:06

You haven't even met, but you're already worried about his reactions to your perfectly normal past and feeling like you owe him explanations. You don't.

To me a 26 Yr old who's had a few hookups and is still a virgin is not even perfectly normal.... it's extremely minimal!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with anywhere on the spectrum of sexual experience, but just to point out that you on the very very low end of it.

Yet still being questioned and judged and getting stuck on not disclosing 2 hookups.

Monr0e · 18/08/2022 21:09

Also, you say he makes you feel safe. Yet you are talking about being wracked with guilt and sleepless nights. If you felt safe and secure in this relationship then you would have no problem at all saying it isn't something you wish to discuss, or that your past is private and you don't want to share it with him.

Instead, you are trying to tell him something you think he wants to hear because you are scared of his judgement or that he won't want to meet you.

TossieFleacake · 18/08/2022 21:09

obsessive101 · 18/08/2022 20:57

One of the things that makes the guilt worse is that he is SO (genuinely) kind and affectionate and otherwise I feel so safe with him, and he feels very safe from me. So I've nearly killed myself from guilt, but a part of me wonders if I should meet him in person first before worrying. But even then, the longer things go on, the worse it might be if I reveal this to him even later. He asked me upfront and I feel bad, but it just feels like it's too complicated and irrelevant.

Sorry OP but you have never met this man in real life ... it is impossible for you to know whether he is genuinely kind and affectionate or whether he makes you feel safe.
So far you only know the version of him that he has given you online or over the phone.

It sounds like you have revealed an awful lot of yourself to him as a way of trying to be honest and gain his trust. He could be using some of this information to make himself appear like your perfect man.

Be wary of him until you have met in person and got a sense of how he makes you feel in real life, trust your instincts and listen to your gut feelings.

MayThe4th · 18/08/2022 21:10

He then asked me to get STI testing before my visit so he thinks sex is on the cards then?

What else does he expect of you OP? Sexting? Naked pictures? Video’s? Anything like that?

I absolutely understand the notion that you feel safe with him, words are powerful, and when someone is writing the things you want to hear, after a while it’s easy to imagine that they’re in your life.

But the reality here is that you’ve never met him in person. If he wanted to be 100% wonderful he could be. And yet even behind a keyboard he’s being controlling.

he has no right to know anything about your past, and especially not given you haven’t actually met yet.

I wouldn’t meet up with him. In fact I would tell him this isn’t working any more and would let him go.

0live · 18/08/2022 21:11

The more you say about him, the worse he sounds.

Have you discussed any of this with your therapist ?

LooseGoose22 · 18/08/2022 21:16

SultanOfSwing · 18/08/2022 21:04

He’s demanded you to get an STI check for a non penetrative sexual encounter 8 years ago? And he’s said that there is a limit to the number of previous sexual encounters (of any sort!) that he finds acceptable, but won’t say what that number is?

These are very disturbing signs. You cannot change the past, and he shouldn’t be punishing you for the past, or demanding that you reveal the past.

As others have said, this is classic controlling behaviour.

please try to remember that you have done nothing wrong. Virtually every woman in the western world by the age of 26 has had multiple sexual encounters of the sort you describe. The overwhelming majority have probably also had PIV sex. The only way that you are unusual is that you haven’t.

This.

And I note the apparent lack of reciprocal still test from someone who's been fully sexually active!

Hrs probably saying he was also her first/only partner.
You never know for certain- and you have every right to have him do testing if you do decide to ever have sex with him.

(which tbh I don't think you should, I think you should meet someone who's not so bit of a nutter like this and who you can get to know in person, naturally.

For the record I kniw guys about whom they boasted being their first sexual.partner ... who found out the girl was cheating on him with her boss at some point.

I've also had heard "I didn't use condoms with my ex but she"s very careful about her sexual health, goes and gets checked out regularly, I don't need an sti test ..... same bloke came out of the reluctant sti test I insisted he did with a brochure on chlamydia and antibiotics.

So he's not automatically in the clear no matter what.
If he hadn't offered to test too I.dont like the dynamic of the relationship, in fact overall its not a healthy dynamic.

LooseGoose22 · 18/08/2022 21:18

Monr0e · 18/08/2022 21:09

Also, you say he makes you feel safe. Yet you are talking about being wracked with guilt and sleepless nights. If you felt safe and secure in this relationship then you would have no problem at all saying it isn't something you wish to discuss, or that your past is private and you don't want to share it with him.

Instead, you are trying to tell him something you think he wants to hear because you are scared of his judgement or that he won't want to meet you.

This x 100.

Catlover1970 · 18/08/2022 21:22

obsessive101 · 18/08/2022 20:08

I am 26. My boyfriend is 24. We have been video chatting for 6 months after meeting at a virtual conference but I haven’t met him yet—I am flying to see him next month. We have spent hundreds of hours on call. He is very open and has only had one sexual/romantic relationship. I have had more, many of which he is aware of, but he is of a more conservative mindset when it comes to how many people someone has been with. I have never had vaginal intercourse; most of my encounters have been oral sex. In my late teens I disclosed childhood trauma for the first time and became hyper-sexual, resulting in 2 minor hookups he doesn’t know about which occurred about 8 years ago. Another one, during a second bout of trauma processing gone bad, occurred 3 years ago, was brief, and involved brief oral sex (giving) and kissing.

It has taken me a long time to be more and more open with him about my past encounters. I didn’t even remember one of them until after I was done with the conversation (just great). He knows of my relationship sexual activities, and recently about another hookup which occurred 8 years ago in high school, and the discussion of that didn’t go great as he was unhappy he was finding out this late (8 months) into the relationship. He then asked me to get STI testing before my visit (which is reasonable; I made an appointment for tomorrow). He has said before that there is a limit of people someone has been with for him to want to have a relationship
but said there is no set number.

I feel at this point that the hazy-recollection hookups I chose not to disclose were so long ago, and so out of character, that they are irrelevant to my current relationship. If I test negative for STIs I will feel much better about this, though not 100%. Last night he asked who else I’d been sexual with and I said “No—I have told you my sexual history in a way that [I feel] is complete.” He seemed to accept this. It would be really difficult to explain to him over time how previous hookups are related to trauma, as he would struggle to see it that way—he would likely only see it from a practical, objective standpoint.

I have lost hours of sleep over this. My days are spent ruminating, not paying attention in conversations with others because this is the only thing on my mind: the guilt, that I am lying, that I am choosing to keep those instances between me and my therapist. I am consumed by this. I have barely eaten. I just need some outside thoughts on this. I’m not looking for “leave him” comments, I just need some honest support.

I think you need a lot more therapy before you meet this man. No need to disclose every detail of your past life. Hope you feel better soon x

PonyPatter44 · 18/08/2022 21:23

Meet him first, before you start obsessing over what to tell him. Why has it taken you so long to meet up? Why are you going to him? Hopefully you have booked your own hotel in his city,and you aren't planning to stay at his house.

Creepymanonagoatfarm · 18/08/2022 21:29

Sorry to be blunt op but you can't know you are safe with an unknown man. You have never been next to him. Online people can be whoever they want you to see them as.

mindutopia · 18/08/2022 21:35

Honestly, I’m not sure I’ve shared this level of detail about my sexual history even with my husband. He sounds uptight and judgmental. You have never had sex and he wants you to get an STI test! I work in sexual health and the tests will tell you nothing as we generally don’t swab orally for heterosexual women.

By all means, meet him I guess, but I’d be really put off by someone I haven’t even met being weird about my sexual past yet assuming we’d have sex as soon as we met. Sounds like a big ole hypocritical red flag to me.

Arenanewbie · 18/08/2022 21:37

My answer was “no” before I even opened your post.
And also what @Creepymanonagoatfarm said.

HollowTalk · 18/08/2022 21:38

A man that you have never met is judging you on your private life before you even knew him. Some of your private life at least sounds very difficult for you and I hate him for judging you on that.

You have to be aware that when you meet him you will have to start getting to know him all over again. I don't believe that this man is not controlling you. Everything about this is quite frightening.

Please please speak to someone close to you about this.

KosherDill · 18/08/2022 21:38

tickticksnooze · 18/08/2022 20:29

Also for future reference, privacy is not the same as dishonesty/lying.

Everyone is entitled to privacy, even with intimate partners. It's not lying to maintain your privacy.

It's an important distinction - you need to value yourself and your privacy enough to hold those boundaries rather than violating your own privacy in the pursuit of "honesty" . Trauma can make people lose sight of that.

Exactly.

I think you have a lot to work out, hopefully with a professional counselor, before you seek relationships.

Clara27 · 18/08/2022 21:40

You sound very vulnerable and desperate to please this practical stranger. I’d be worried about you travelling to another country alone to meet this man. Make sure you stay in a hotel and keep your personal belongings especially your passport with you. He sounds very controlling and you don’t sound like you have the confidence to be your own person with him. Please be careful and look after yourself because you can bet he won’t be looking after your interests. I’d be rethinking this trip if I were you, take care

Cupofteaonesugar · 18/08/2022 21:43

I have a policy that I don't share my "number" with any man and I don't want to know his.

The only time I shared it caused problems.
It's nobodies business but your own. I would keep it that was and say you don't want to discuss. If he doesn't respect that then run.

CPL593H · 18/08/2022 21:45

None of this is in any way, shape or form healthy OP, it really isn't.

moofolk · 18/08/2022 21:47

Red flags all over this.

Don't go. He's being weird.