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Ex-husband in turmoil, Sadness, Anger, Confusion (Not about the divorce)

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SlightyConfussedMostOfTheTIME · 12/08/2022 09:42

Because of my first question receiving a few comments that helped, which you may want to view as it explains a fair bit about my ex and the fact I didn't want a divorce, although that question was related to my daughter.

Anyhow. After nearly two years of being apart, and having been divorced for eight months, I wrote to my Ex to let her know about my intention to go on holiday, this would be the first time since all our troubles started, and I had decided to go alone to get that "Manned Up" feeling again, although I had friends offer to go with me, I decided it was the right thing to do. Anyhow, in my email, we haven't spoken a physical word to each other in nearly two years, I discussed our youngest daughter, we have two. Hence those interested might wish to see what I wrote on another matter as it's certainly pertinent given it explains a lot about the sort of person she is and how she's acted.

But not to digress. After said email is obviously read by her she sends me a reply, unusual to say the least, then shortly after I receive a call from a mobile number I didn't know, I run a business so it's not unusual for this to happen. Picking up, I hear the Ex say, hi it's X, and that it's easier to talk about our daughter in person, and being we live at the opposite ends of the same small town, I agreed but feeling rather apprehensive about it, but this was our daughter and not knowing what needed, or was going to be said we made arrangements to meet her half way, but to be honest, the thought of seeing her again, irrespective of everything gave be butterflies.

So, an hour later I walk up to the bar where she's sitting outside, she has a bottle of beer waiting on the table, and there she was, just as I remember, my wife of thirty three years looking back at me. I sat and for a few minutes I made her laugh, made her smile and her eyes twinkled in the sun with the light blue hue that I fell for so badly for all those years ago.

Then things turned a bit........serious. She looks straight at me and said.....I had a brain bleed in June and nearly died, pulling her hair back on the side of her head and showing me a scar of around six inches long!

In between wanting to cry, vomit with shock and all whilst still trying to maintain a degree of dignity as the place was packed, she went into this meltdown, one that I remember well, f-ing this and that for all to hear, me? I was still sitting in stunned silence with my eyes fixed on hers, afterall, this was the first I have heard of it. She told me she had sworn our kids to silence, which felt like an icy finger at the nape of my neck, this was my first issue that did not actually involve her. Firstly the 19yo was living with me and I was having a lot of problems with her a few months ago, which I tried to pass off as an age thing, but she'd break out into tears occasionally and I'd offer some reassuring words and give her a cuddle say that I was always here for her and she could say, or tell me anything, but apparently not!

At the same time my eldest daughter, 23 and had just started her first teaching job, became more distant, which I put down to her work commitments, but that just wasn't the case at all. Me being the person I am, no matter what the past had involved between us, I sat, listened to the ex, I talked a little, she talked a lot, and then she, without any regard to what was being discussed said, but I'm glad you're going on holiday!

Then it hit me like a sledgehammer, and once again I felt like a fool with her in front of me, not seeing the obvious, she wasn't here to talk to me about our daughter, or even to "finally" tell me about her near death experience, she was here to screw up my holiday......Or, was she? ergo the question, what's people's opinion? My mind is blown, A, for the fact I hadn't a clue. B, she made our girls promise not to tell me anything, which effectively meant their biggest support mechanism was removed. C, had she died then there were no plans, no information, no nothing.

Being a decent, caring person I think what she did was cruel, especially as there was never any mention of violence or fear emparted on the Ex from me, she just turned into something she wasn't for nearly three decades preceding the start of her/our problems, and if the truth be told, it was strictly the other way round, so what could, or would it have hurt for me to know and to look after our kids when they needed me most.

Anyhow, I have a tendency to waffle, a few people on my previous question noted this, but I talk for a living and because of the job I have little to no filters and tend to write more because nothing is taboo and everything is connected.

As ever, your advice, comments and thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

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Watchkeys · 12/08/2022 10:09

because of the job I have little to no filters

No, you choose to have no filters. You could have easily taken the flowery drama out of your thread, but you chose to leave it in.

It's hard to tell what you're actually asking. She asked your kids to keep something from you when they may have needed your support, is that the top and bottom of it? And the rest is psychoanalysing dramatically about how and why she would do this?

Your kids are adults. You don't need to psychoanalyse your ex. Why are you doing this?

SlightyConfussedMostOfTheTIME · 12/08/2022 10:15

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SlightyConfussedMostOfTheTIME · 12/08/2022 10:18

But to put it simply. I don't feel like I want to go on hol. now. It's ruined the mood, the thought, and remember this, maybe she knew it would, hence asking for peoples thoughts.

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DesMoulinsRouge · 12/08/2022 10:24

How does it affect your holiday? Why do you assume the timing of her revelation is connected?

If it is connected as in she's trying to mess with you, don't give her the satisfaction.

Go on your holiday and have a nice time.

RhubarbFairy · 12/08/2022 10:29

I thought you were emailing your ex to let her know that you were taking your daughters on holiday, because usually you need some form of evidence of permission from the other parent.

Then I got to the part where you wrote your daughters are 19 and 23. Grown adults.

Why did you feel the need to tell your ex about the holiday at all?

SlightyConfussedMostOfTheTIME · 12/08/2022 10:29

Good grief, the fist comment has to be one like this......

But to be clear, some people lack the ability or will to paraphrase their lives, or compartmentalise them into little sound bites, life is sometimes full of drama and possess flowery moments, and for those that don't? I suspect they leave messages for people that better be left unsaid.

By way of a passive aggressive return serve, I assume you've never picked up a book in your life, because page one start with..........Funny enough all those things you seem to hate so much, but there remains the Beano comic for those that prefer pictures, and speech bubbles.

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SlightyConfussedMostOfTheTIME · 12/08/2022 10:29

Good grief, the fist comment has to be one like this......

But to be clear, some people lack the ability or will to paraphrase their lives, or compartmentalise them into little sound bites, life is sometimes full of drama and possess flowery moments, and for those that don't? I suspect they leave messages for people that better be left unsaid.

By way of a passive aggressive return serve, I assume you've never picked up a book in your life, because page one start with..........Funny enough all those things you seem to hate so much, but there remains the Beano comic for those that prefer pictures, and speech bubbles.

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ingratitude · 12/08/2022 10:30

Why do you need to tell her your holiday plans? I'm confused?

djdkdkddkek · 12/08/2022 10:33

what do you actually want from this post? it’s all just a bit, yknow, wanky

SlightyConfussedMostOfTheTIME · 12/08/2022 10:34

I was writing to my Ex to explain about her having the ability to collect the youngest's items from our house, she's moving in with her BF and it all connects with my first question on here, about the daughter.

In essence, I was saying that if the Ex wanted to help her move then she would be welcome to come into my house to help her take her stuff. Knowing she wouldn't unless I had given it the okay being that I wasn't going to be there.

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sleepymum50 · 12/08/2022 10:37

I don’t understand how you got from her saying “I’m glad you’re going on holiday”

to she’s wants to screw up your holiday.

Sorry, but you come across rather self-obsessed. Your post sounds like you are practising writing for a news outlet that takes a simple story and tries to sensationalise it with lots a emotional wording. Is this deliberate or do you not know you are doing it?

You say you talk for a living, surely that includes knowing you need to match your style and words to the intended audience.

Can you rewrite your opening post, without all the mills and boon waffle?

ingratitude · 12/08/2022 10:38

Your youngest is 19; more than capable or arranging to move her own belongings. It seems to me you want to instigate contact with the ex. She in turn went through a significant health event without mentioning this to you which would imply she wants little contact.

I think you need to be honest about your motives for instigating contact. Those motives seem very muddled here

Shodan · 12/08/2022 10:39

Your post is unnecessarily verbose, but the gist of it appears to be "My ex wife was seriously ill and didn't tell me, even though I'm such a Lovely Caring Person, and I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOO upset that now I don't want to go on my holiday, and isn't she a meanie!"

I suspect your wife is now giving you the heads up because she is past the worst and can now tolerate your dramatics.

Go on your holiday and stop blaming your ex wife for your over-the-top reactions.

ingratitude · 12/08/2022 10:42

Shodan · 12/08/2022 10:39

Your post is unnecessarily verbose, but the gist of it appears to be "My ex wife was seriously ill and didn't tell me, even though I'm such a Lovely Caring Person, and I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOO upset that now I don't want to go on my holiday, and isn't she a meanie!"

I suspect your wife is now giving you the heads up because she is past the worst and can now tolerate your dramatics.

Go on your holiday and stop blaming your ex wife for your over-the-top reactions.

But why tell her about holiday plans given the children are adults? I merrily sod off on holiday without a thought for my ExH and my DC's are younger than the OP's.

Maybeebebe · 12/08/2022 10:44

so you emailed your ex to say you were going on holiday and if she wanted to enter your house to help dd move that was ok

she asked to meet up

she told you she had a life threatening illness in June which she had not told you

you then proceeded to make her near death experience all about you?

I think thats it in a nutshell?

Gingernaut · 12/08/2022 10:45

It's been two years.

You, a fully grown adult want to go on holiday?

Fine. Go on holiday.

Why did you feel the need to tell your Ex?

Watchkeys · 12/08/2022 10:59

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I was asking what you wanted from the thread, because it wasn't clear due to your flowery language over-complicating it. Nothing resonated with me because it was hard to understand. There was nothing passive aggressive in my post. Your presumption about my situation is both wrong and irrelevant. The reason I didn't understand is because you're writing as if your life is a dramatic novel, rather than an actual real life that you want advice about.

Never had such a comprehensive, defensive response to a clearly written post before. You've added more drama when you were being asked for clarity. Why on earth do you think your age matters in terms of whether you take offense? Are you trying to tell us you're a grown up? Why?

I'll try again: What do you want from the thread? If you write your answer without flowery language, it will be clearer for others to read, and it will look less like fiction. Nothing passive aggressive here, just asking you to clarify. Don't dramatise that.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/08/2022 11:04

No wonder she kept her private medical information private afterwards.

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And it appears

GreenManalishi · 12/08/2022 11:12

Your children are adults. Your wife had a near fatal illness and has let you know. She asked that the kids not tell you. They are still adults. You feel it's ruined your holiday. You still like her eyes. Your daughter is moving out. Have I missed anything?

Watchkeys · 12/08/2022 11:13

Funny enough all those things you seem to hate so much, but there remains the Beano comic for those that prefer pictures, and speech bubbles

Do you mean me? You are being extremely passive aggressive. Why? What did I appear to 'hate'? That's such a strong word for someone who's asked you to say something clearly without flowery language.

SD1978 · 12/08/2022 11:23

I really don't understand. You are/ were going on holiday. Belongings needed to be collected from your house. Your (adult) daughter wants her mums help. All that was needed was a conversation with your daughter saying fine, and a quick text/ email confirming you were fine with it. I really lost the point of your thread.

TheRealMrsJamieFraser · 12/08/2022 11:46

Really at a loss to understand why you're not still married. . .

forrestgreen · 12/08/2022 11:55

I'd imagine she didn't tell you because you behave like this in person?
I think you need to rewrite it because it's not very clear. If you write for a living then I can't see the reference to dd moving in your op. Or I may have missed it as there were so many unnecessary words.
Basically
You're divorced, you want to go on holiday, you told your wife (I think your dd were under 5 at this point!)
She told you she'd been ill
You don't want to go on holiday.

I presume she told you as you got in touch with her.

ThePollutedShadesOfPemberley · 12/08/2022 11:57

Are you always this dramatic? I found reading your OP exhausting and didn't read all of it because trying to filter out the drama, the dramatic wording and find the essence of what has actually happened is too hard.

Why are you still so tied up with all of this? Try and be less dramatic and life will be so much easier.

If the whole lot is bollocks then this is a poor attempt at creative writing. If it isn't, I wish I had your 'problems'.