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Ex-husband in turmoil, Sadness, Anger, Confusion (Not about the divorce)

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SlightyConfussedMostOfTheTIME · 12/08/2022 09:42

Because of my first question receiving a few comments that helped, which you may want to view as it explains a fair bit about my ex and the fact I didn't want a divorce, although that question was related to my daughter.

Anyhow. After nearly two years of being apart, and having been divorced for eight months, I wrote to my Ex to let her know about my intention to go on holiday, this would be the first time since all our troubles started, and I had decided to go alone to get that "Manned Up" feeling again, although I had friends offer to go with me, I decided it was the right thing to do. Anyhow, in my email, we haven't spoken a physical word to each other in nearly two years, I discussed our youngest daughter, we have two. Hence those interested might wish to see what I wrote on another matter as it's certainly pertinent given it explains a lot about the sort of person she is and how she's acted.

But not to digress. After said email is obviously read by her she sends me a reply, unusual to say the least, then shortly after I receive a call from a mobile number I didn't know, I run a business so it's not unusual for this to happen. Picking up, I hear the Ex say, hi it's X, and that it's easier to talk about our daughter in person, and being we live at the opposite ends of the same small town, I agreed but feeling rather apprehensive about it, but this was our daughter and not knowing what needed, or was going to be said we made arrangements to meet her half way, but to be honest, the thought of seeing her again, irrespective of everything gave be butterflies.

So, an hour later I walk up to the bar where she's sitting outside, she has a bottle of beer waiting on the table, and there she was, just as I remember, my wife of thirty three years looking back at me. I sat and for a few minutes I made her laugh, made her smile and her eyes twinkled in the sun with the light blue hue that I fell for so badly for all those years ago.

Then things turned a bit........serious. She looks straight at me and said.....I had a brain bleed in June and nearly died, pulling her hair back on the side of her head and showing me a scar of around six inches long!

In between wanting to cry, vomit with shock and all whilst still trying to maintain a degree of dignity as the place was packed, she went into this meltdown, one that I remember well, f-ing this and that for all to hear, me? I was still sitting in stunned silence with my eyes fixed on hers, afterall, this was the first I have heard of it. She told me she had sworn our kids to silence, which felt like an icy finger at the nape of my neck, this was my first issue that did not actually involve her. Firstly the 19yo was living with me and I was having a lot of problems with her a few months ago, which I tried to pass off as an age thing, but she'd break out into tears occasionally and I'd offer some reassuring words and give her a cuddle say that I was always here for her and she could say, or tell me anything, but apparently not!

At the same time my eldest daughter, 23 and had just started her first teaching job, became more distant, which I put down to her work commitments, but that just wasn't the case at all. Me being the person I am, no matter what the past had involved between us, I sat, listened to the ex, I talked a little, she talked a lot, and then she, without any regard to what was being discussed said, but I'm glad you're going on holiday!

Then it hit me like a sledgehammer, and once again I felt like a fool with her in front of me, not seeing the obvious, she wasn't here to talk to me about our daughter, or even to "finally" tell me about her near death experience, she was here to screw up my holiday......Or, was she? ergo the question, what's people's opinion? My mind is blown, A, for the fact I hadn't a clue. B, she made our girls promise not to tell me anything, which effectively meant their biggest support mechanism was removed. C, had she died then there were no plans, no information, no nothing.

Being a decent, caring person I think what she did was cruel, especially as there was never any mention of violence or fear emparted on the Ex from me, she just turned into something she wasn't for nearly three decades preceding the start of her/our problems, and if the truth be told, it was strictly the other way round, so what could, or would it have hurt for me to know and to look after our kids when they needed me most.

Anyhow, I have a tendency to waffle, a few people on my previous question noted this, but I talk for a living and because of the job I have little to no filters and tend to write more because nothing is taboo and everything is connected.

As ever, your advice, comments and thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

OP posts:
ThePollutedShadesOfPemberley · 12/08/2022 11:59

Also, what has going on holiday to do with 'manning up'? Unless you are walking the Appalachian Trail in flipflops and speedos in Winter, I can't see how the two are connected?

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 12/08/2022 12:05

Wow - That isn't passive aggressive
he said, passive-aggressively.

OP - your ex wife is entitled to keep her personal medical info to herself. It's not great that she told her DC to not tell you, but given your obvious flair for dramatics, I can very much understand why she did.

knittingaddict · 12/08/2022 12:20

Creative writing course gone awry?

Puppypads · 12/08/2022 12:28

Bloody hell OP. Calm down. Your holiday is not ruined. Your ex wife knows she can help your adult daughter to move to a new place while you are away.
Your ex wife was ill and is now recovered.
End.

ClaryFairchild · 12/08/2022 12:31

Well yes, the op is flowery and annoyingly long, but jeeze he's getting an overly harsh response!

The timing of your ex telling you about her operation is a bit odd, I'd be a bit suspicious that she was trying to put a dampener on your holiday. I didn't read your other thread so I have no idea why she would do that. Could well be a bit of "I don't want you but don't want anyone else to have you either" response and she wants you to sit at home. Who knows, you would be better placed to know that.

Fortunately now you can be there to support your DDs, which is great for you and them. Focus on that, and ignore the relationship (or non-relationship now) between you and the ex. Go on your holiday and have a great time. Or at least fake it until you make it.

Carrieonmywaywardsun · 12/08/2022 12:34

Wow don't you seem delightful! You should move on from her and drop the drama

srey · 12/08/2022 12:34

I don't understand.

Your kids are adults. If you want to go on holiday go on holiday.

End.

GCAcademic · 12/08/2022 12:35

No wonder she didn't tell you at the time. Imagine having to deal with you making it all about you when she was actually going through nearly dying, surgery, etc.

rookiemere · 12/08/2022 12:39

I think your ex told you because she thought- with you having told her about booking your holiday- you were in a better place emotionally, so would be able to take the news.

Clearly that's not the case, and I can see why you'd be upset your DDs kept it from you, but I'm struggling to see why it would spoil your holiday. Just go and as you say - man up.

MineIsBetterThanYours · 12/08/2022 12:43

@SlightyConfussedMostOfTheTIME it sounds like you still haven’t accepted that your EXwife wanted out. All the talk about ‘manning up to go away in hols’, a divorce you didn’t want etc….
As a result, it feels like you still react as you were a family unit - which you are not.

So you expect your ex to tell you about her severe illness. You expect your dd to always tell you what’s going in and not have any secrets with you. And you definitively do not expect anyone to keep secret about other people in the family - in this case, for you to not be told about your ex illness.

Now if you were still a family and one Unit, I can see how not been told etc… would be extremely hurtful. It could feel like your ex manipulating the dds to all gang up on you.

But the thing is, you are NOT a family anymore. Regardless of the reasons why your ex decided to leave, regardless of your feelings for her or you wanting to keep the marriage, this is not the case anymore.
You need to accept that. See a counsellor. Go away in hols and ENJOY IT. Smile to your dds and tell them you appreciate they keep their word to their mum and you are not upset/angry at them. That actually you are nit upset/angry and your ex either because you are nit entitled anymore to a run down of her life and health.

2 years Wo contact is a long time. And you still haven’t moved on. You need support to do that so YOU can have a happy life too.

NoCureForLove · 12/08/2022 12:47

"tendency to waffle"? Well that is quite the understatement! 😀

Bjarnum · 12/08/2022 12:49

Unless I've missed something .... she was told about the holiday so she would be able to collect stuff for DC during his absence which she would have felt inhibited to do if he was there. He was upset that his DC were told of her serious illness - but not him - as he felt her decision to have them enjoined to secrecy stopped them from accessing emotional support from him (when their demeanour at the time in retrospect suggested this was needed). His emotional reaction to the news is his right - more to the point , why did she feel it necessary to meet him in person and tell him now? She must know him pretty well, so why? Having temporarily derailed the stream of spite from the usual MN bullies, I'm off to have lunch ....

Lifeadmin · 12/08/2022 12:51

Op , don’t go in for creative writing

wellhelloitsme · 12/08/2022 13:10

Then it hit me like a sledgehammer, and once again I felt like a fool with her in front of me, not seeing the obvious, she wasn't here to talk to me about our daughter, or even to "finally" tell me about her near death experience, she was here to screw up my holiday

You made a woman's experience of nearly dying all about you by presuming she told you about it to spoil your holiday. The woman didn't want to be married to you any longer and has already had to deal with nearly dying recently. I don't think you having a week or two enjoying the sun somewhere is anywhere on her radar whatsoever.

And please read your posts back. Genuinely. And notice your default response to being challenged. You immediately become passive aggressive and accusatory, snarky and unkind. It's not an attractive or mature quality in a grown man and will influence how people interact with you both in here and in real life.

Finally, you say you have little to filter because you talk for a living. But you have a conscious choice about how much you disclose / divulge, how much detail you go into, who you share what with etc.

I would strongly suggest (and this isn't snarky, it's a genuine recommendation from someone who found it life changing) that you consider investing in some regular therapy so that you have a space to process things sensibly with someone guiding you through that thought process.

They will gently ask you questions as to why you think you might be making the assumptions you make (eg she did xyz to spoil my holiday / that poster who challenged you must be someone who has never tried to keep a relationship together etc). You may come to find that some of those assumptions aren't things you actually believe, they are just kneejerk reactions made in sadness or anger that don't reflect the reality of the situation once you reflect on it calmly.

For people who don't process things in the way you do (a sort of monologue / word vomit / waffle tendency) it's very overwhelming to hear what you're saying and to try to understand it properly because there's 100 words where there could be 20 and the extra ones aren't always adding context, they're adding flourish and sound (sorry) a little self congratulatory about your vocabulary or ability to write.

Seeing a counsellor about your own life would be much more beneficial than writing fanfic style prose about your own life.

Musti · 12/08/2022 13:42

Bjarnum · 12/08/2022 12:49

Unless I've missed something .... she was told about the holiday so she would be able to collect stuff for DC during his absence which she would have felt inhibited to do if he was there. He was upset that his DC were told of her serious illness - but not him - as he felt her decision to have them enjoined to secrecy stopped them from accessing emotional support from him (when their demeanour at the time in retrospect suggested this was needed). His emotional reaction to the news is his right - more to the point , why did she feel it necessary to meet him in person and tell him now? She must know him pretty well, so why? Having temporarily derailed the stream of spite from the usual MN bullies, I'm off to have lunch ....

This.

Dery · 12/08/2022 13:56

“You made a woman's experience of nearly dying all about you by presuming she told you about it to spoil your holiday. The woman didn't want to be married to you any longer and has already had to deal with nearly dying recently. I don't think you having a week or two enjoying the sun somewhere is anywhere on her radar whatsoever.

And please read your posts back. Genuinely. And notice your default response to being challenged. You immediately become passive aggressive and accusatory, snarky and unkind. It's not an attractive or mature quality in a grown man and will influence how people interact with you both in here and in real life.”

This, OP. You perhaps started this thread expecting readers to validate your perception. Most of us haven’t done so. But what I think is really telling is how snippy you’ve been in response to posters who haven’t agreed with you. It reads very oddly. Especially when you’ve been telling us what a nice guy you are.

GCAcademic · 12/08/2022 13:58

wellhelloitsme · 12/08/2022 13:10

Then it hit me like a sledgehammer, and once again I felt like a fool with her in front of me, not seeing the obvious, she wasn't here to talk to me about our daughter, or even to "finally" tell me about her near death experience, she was here to screw up my holiday

You made a woman's experience of nearly dying all about you by presuming she told you about it to spoil your holiday. The woman didn't want to be married to you any longer and has already had to deal with nearly dying recently. I don't think you having a week or two enjoying the sun somewhere is anywhere on her radar whatsoever.

And please read your posts back. Genuinely. And notice your default response to being challenged. You immediately become passive aggressive and accusatory, snarky and unkind. It's not an attractive or mature quality in a grown man and will influence how people interact with you both in here and in real life.

Finally, you say you have little to filter because you talk for a living. But you have a conscious choice about how much you disclose / divulge, how much detail you go into, who you share what with etc.

I would strongly suggest (and this isn't snarky, it's a genuine recommendation from someone who found it life changing) that you consider investing in some regular therapy so that you have a space to process things sensibly with someone guiding you through that thought process.

They will gently ask you questions as to why you think you might be making the assumptions you make (eg she did xyz to spoil my holiday / that poster who challenged you must be someone who has never tried to keep a relationship together etc). You may come to find that some of those assumptions aren't things you actually believe, they are just kneejerk reactions made in sadness or anger that don't reflect the reality of the situation once you reflect on it calmly.

For people who don't process things in the way you do (a sort of monologue / word vomit / waffle tendency) it's very overwhelming to hear what you're saying and to try to understand it properly because there's 100 words where there could be 20 and the extra ones aren't always adding context, they're adding flourish and sound (sorry) a little self congratulatory about your vocabulary or ability to write.

Seeing a counsellor about your own life would be much more beneficial than writing fanfic style prose about your own life.

This is an excellent and very helpful post.

GoodThinkingMax · 12/08/2022 14:07

Your main interpretation of your ex-wife telling you that she’d had a serious health incident is that she did it to mess up your holiday?

You really need to detach from your relationship with her, and develop your own interests.

SteveHarringtonsChestHair · 12/08/2022 14:18

The twinkle and blue hue of her eyes are totally irrelevant to whether or not she wants to mess up your holiday plans with your adult DCs - and I don’t even know how that would work? She selfishly thought that speaking to you and telling you about a life changing surgery might make you … what?… think about her while you’re away?! Not exactly as foolproof as hiding the passports or calling in a bomb threat to the airport is it?

P1ainJanine · 12/08/2022 15:36

I think you're misreading the situation, OP. I think you broke the communication ice when you emailed her about your holiday, and she then felt able to talk to you, and decided it was easier to do that on the phone, and then in person. I'd guess that after two years, she felt that the dust was settled enough to be able to talk to you without past recriminations coming up.

She's understandably not wanted to share or burden you with her personal problems (the brain bleed) before now, but now that communication is resumed, felt able to make you aware. She clearly was very emotional about it (who wouldn't be?) hence the behaviour in public.

It's interesting that you think this is done purely to spoil your holiday. I think that says more about you, than it does about her.

AgentJohnson · 12/08/2022 15:59

Your writing style aside, you found (in your head) a tenuous excuse to make contact with your estranged Ex and it didn’t go well. There’s part of you that’s still waiting for her to change.

Go on holiday or don’t but if you don’t, you need to own inviting this woman back into your life and giving her the opportunity to poison your holiday buzz. The second she started verbally abusing you, you should have walked. Staying and being her emotional punching bag wasn’t a noble act on your part but rather, the behaviour of someone who hasn’t sufficiently detached from his Ex.

I’m sure there’s a backstory but you can not change her only how you react to her. Get back on the NC wagon and don’t look back.

RhubarbFairy · 12/08/2022 22:49

Dery · 12/08/2022 13:56

“You made a woman's experience of nearly dying all about you by presuming she told you about it to spoil your holiday. The woman didn't want to be married to you any longer and has already had to deal with nearly dying recently. I don't think you having a week or two enjoying the sun somewhere is anywhere on her radar whatsoever.

And please read your posts back. Genuinely. And notice your default response to being challenged. You immediately become passive aggressive and accusatory, snarky and unkind. It's not an attractive or mature quality in a grown man and will influence how people interact with you both in here and in real life.”

This, OP. You perhaps started this thread expecting readers to validate your perception. Most of us haven’t done so. But what I think is really telling is how snippy you’ve been in response to posters who haven’t agreed with you. It reads very oddly. Especially when you’ve been telling us what a nice guy you are.

You know what they say about Nice Guys don't you?

DragonflyNights · 12/08/2022 23:04

Surely if you talk for a living you’re aware of the importance of editing and making the way you communicate concise and accessible?

Im not really sure what advice you are looking for. You’re a grown man with grown children and no marital ties. So there’s nothing but, it appears, your own hubris and self-pity / victim mindset to prevent you going on your holiday.

DaphneSprucesPippasClack · 12/08/2022 23:54

It feels like a creative writing post....

Buythebag40 · 12/08/2022 23:58

which felt like an icy finger at the nape of my neck

This is my favourite bit 😂
Have you written a book? I'd read it if I was desperately trying to nod off