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Am I wrong to feel unsettled?

78 replies

finalchance · 05/08/2022 06:12

Long story short, I am very recently married after a whirlwind relationship (been together just under 2 years). For me, he is all I have ever wanted. I was married before for a very long time to a narcissist and it feels great to be with someone who doesn't play games. We have 5 kids between us and he is a great dad to his kids and a great stepdad to mine. He works hard and had 3 jobs before we met. I earn a lot more than him from my job (I am self employed) and have encouraged him to dial down his working hours as he is constantly knackered and he doesn't need to work as much any more. I pay all the bills (my house, my ex-marital home, he is not on mortgage) including food. He pays the car loan, his own expenses (credit card, catalogue, child maintenance) and any discretionary spending such as holidays. I still pay for things like meals out and cinema etc. Tbh I probably pay for way more than I should but that is another story.

The issue I have is sex. Or lack of it. When we first met it was instant attraction for me, we seemed very compatible that way. I told him he was the best I ever hard, which is true. He has never said anything like that to me. When asked he said the sex was "good". He is almost 10 years younger than me (I am in my late 40s) and has been with a lot more sexual partners. When we lived apart I would see him most nights and we always had sex. Since he moved in last year, this has dwindled and I put it down to the kids always being around (mine are teenagers, his are too but don't live with him) and to the hours he worked. However over the last couple of months, there has been a drastic change. When we do have sex, it is very "samey", it doesn't last long and he seems to be just going through the motions. When I try to instigate it, he isn't interested. A few times he has woken me out of a sleep for sex (he has woken me and I have been up for it, he hasn't "preyed" on me whilst I am sleeping before anyone asks). The thing is, we haven't had sex for nearly 3 weeks now. We still cuddle and he tells me he loves me every day and is affectionate but there has been no sexual contact. I go to bed naked every night and I am wrapped around him and nothing. He would rather watch TV. I tried sexting yesterday and sent him some naughty pics at his work and he responded that he couldn't wait to get me into bed but when last night came there was no action again. He took me out for dinner and we had a nice night and he did say when we went to bed that he felt very stuffed but it was almost like he said it to let me know not to expect anything.

I am now convinced he just isn't attracted to me anymore. He tells me I look "nice" sometimes but has never looked at me like he couldn't wait to get his hands on me. I have gone from wearing the frumpiest jammies I could find and avoiding going to bed when I was with my ex so as to avoid his advances to practically throwing myself at my now DH and getting nowhere. It is eating away at my self esteem and after being rejected again last night, I feel very low and dejected this morning. I have asked him in the past about his lack of interest and he just keeps saying when he is tired he just doesn't feel horny. I kind of get this but when I think back to the start of our relationship, I would often see him after 11pm when he has finished his 3rd job and he was up for it then. Also if he isn't too tired to watch TV in bed then how can he be too tired for sex?

He stopped working his 3rd job when he moved in and has changed his main job but he hates it. He is going to cut back on his hours next month so that he doesn't have to work Saturday mornings and he can get his weekends back. We are exploring the possibility of him coming to work with me eventually so we can both have a better work life balance as we can share the load. He has always been the main breadwinner in previous relationships, sometimes the only breadwinner and has always put in the hours to provide for his kids. He doesn't need to do that now and I have encouraged him to slow down with work and actually have a life. He is now going to do that but will be swapping to a different shift and will be working til midnight every night and will be out working his 2nd job for a good few hours every day. So although there will be no weekend working I will see less of him - and there will be less chance of sex too due to the time he will get home at night. He does an early shift just now and is up at 4am every day so I get that he is tired at night but he often doesn't go to bed til after 10 or 11 and will just watch TV or be asleep after 10 mins. I work from the house. I get up with him every morning and prep his lunch and make him coffee and he does say thank you to me regularly for this, telling me he appreciates it as I don't need to do it. Sometimes I go back to bed once he is gone and sometimes I just start work.

I just don't know what to do - or what to think. Is it a case of marry in haste, repent at leisure? Does he see me as a meal ticket? He pays no rent, gets all meals provided, has been able to cut down on his working hours and is managing to put some savings aside for the first time in his adult life. I foot the bill for everything but then I offered this as the way I see it, the bills would need paying anyway whether he was here or not. And he did get car finance for me (ex destroyed my credit record but that is another story) and pays for it. Am I being needy and insecure to want to feel attractive and desired? He is not one for talking about his feelings. He is not one for romantic gestures although he brings me flowers randomly because "he loves to see me smile". He helps around the house and is great with the kids. I just can't shake the feeling that he is "settling" for what he sees as a good thing. The passion just isn't there. I see posts with MNers complaining that their other halves are constantly at them for sex and that was my experience with all my exes (all 4 of them) and I just feel something is missing with my DH. Marriage was my idea. He wasn't keen as didn't think it necessary and had been married before and it didn't end well (she cheated) but they had married as teenagers because she was pregnant. The serious relationships he has had since sound very toxic and the most recent serious one ended when she cheated. That was 4 years before we met. He had several short term and casual hook ups between that and meeting me, some of them he described as torrid. I wanted to be married as I feel it is a commitment that shows that you are "it" for someone and it is the 2 of you against the world. I had a very unhappy marriage before but still believe in marriage, obviously. I now think he only did it to keep me quiet. It feels like I forced my desire for the commitment on to him and maybe he is now regretting it so is starting towards withdraw.

I have been crying all morning since he left. He asked me before he left for work if I was OK and I said I was fine. How do you tell your DH that you feel fat, ugly and frumpy because there does not seem to be a morsel of desire coming your way? I know if I bring it up he will say he has been tired cos of work and then he will instigate something but that will just be to shut me up. Or that is what it will feel like. I just don't know what to do. Do I stop trying to instigate it? Do I refuse his advances next time he makes them (I have never refused him because to me the sex is incredible and I am always in the mood)? Do I stop being accessible to him? At the minute my life revolves around his working hours. I haven't seen much of my friends and I make sure we have a kid free weekend at least once a month where we go somewhere. The last twice we have done this, there has been no sex. I feel like he only has sex when he needs to because he needs the physical release. I am now obsessing over his exes and whether he had better/constant sex with them (he did tell me a while back that he has never had sex so little in any relationship than he has in this one and when I questioned why he said because he is always tired but he has always worked long hours so that doesn't make sense).

In the cold light of day, if it was a friend of mine going through this I know I would be thinking she was being taken for a fool but I genuinely think he does love me and if he didn't want to be here he wouldn't be. Or is that naive? I do know I cannot continue living this half life with poor sleep, no sex and no self esteem.

OP posts:
Endlesslypatient82 · 05/08/2022 06:20

Very long post and I stopped half way

But on the basis of what I did read - sex is one issue in a catalogue of issues.

It is just a shame that 5 children are involved in this “whirlwind” shitshow

Violettaa · 05/08/2022 06:21

Can you list put his good qualities (for yourself, not necessarily here!) to help you think clearly?

Not vague 'he's a good man and a great dad' stuff, but more tangible things. 'He pays me great compliments which make me feel good', or 'he carries the mental load on meal prep'. Make sure they're recent!

If you can't come up with a list to balance the shittery you've listed about him, you need to have a proper talk.

finalchance · 05/08/2022 06:51

Endlesslypatient82 · 05/08/2022 06:20

Very long post and I stopped half way

But on the basis of what I did read - sex is one issue in a catalogue of issues.

It is just a shame that 5 children are involved in this “whirlwind” shitshow

Thanks for your empathetic post that just made a shitty day even worse. Have a word with yourself.

OP posts:
Endlesslypatient82 · 05/08/2022 07:08

finalchance · 05/08/2022 06:51

Thanks for your empathetic post that just made a shitty day even worse. Have a word with yourself.

You wanted “there there OP”

and you didn’t get it.

Practise what you preach op “have a word with yourself”

Catladycrazy · 05/08/2022 07:10

As hard as it is, you really need to sit down and tell him how you are feeling. You are doing so much for him and he needs to listen to, and acknowledge your feelings. Both of you together need to see if there is a way you can work through this so you both reach a point of being happy. If you say nothing the resentment will build and destroy your relationship anyway.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 05/08/2022 07:33

You didn’t marry in haste, OP — two years is a reasonable time to get to know someone. I can only guess at what’s gone wrong. Is he old-fashioned enough to feel unmanned by your higher pay? Is he just getting more exhausted now after 20+ years of working very long hours? Obviously I’m hoping it’s not another woman. But you need to talk this out with him, and then maybe try counselling.

I hope this goes well OP. Best of luck.

Gsds · 05/08/2022 07:35

i hope you made sure your house was not a martial asset, if you didn’t I’d get to a Solictor asap, see if you can move the house and any other assets to trust etc.
sorry op I think you’re his cash cow and divorce pending

finalchance · 05/08/2022 07:35

Endlesslypatient82 · 05/08/2022 07:08

You wanted “there there OP”

and you didn’t get it.

Practise what you preach op “have a word with yourself”

No I didn't want a "there there". I did expect respectful responses. If I see a thread and don't have anything helpful to say, I say nothing. It is called having manners. You should try it.

OP posts:
Hiddenvoice · 05/08/2022 07:37

I read all of your post, I’m sorry you’re feeling like this.

i think you need to speak to him, tell him honestly how you are feeling and ask him what’s going on.

I think you are doing too much, I don’t see why you need to pay for every meal or every time you go out. If he’s only paying for his expenses then surely he has some money saved to do things.
He might be feeling demoralised, you say he’s gone from being the breadwinner and now it seems like he’s a kept man. Some people don’t actually like that and feel a little like their purpose has gone.
When I go to bed, I can be exhausted but will still watch tv for a short while. I don’t have to use any energy to watch tv so I wouldn’t be worried about that.

you seem to have a lot of time to think about things and this is making you feel worse and more worried. Arrange a day/night out with friends. Go spend some time on you! Have a night apart from your dh as you both might enjoy a little me time from each other.

at the end of the day the only way you’ll feel better about all of this is by chatting to him. I know you don’t want to say you feel rejected and unattractive but you do have to tell him that. You’re married, you need to be honest with how you are feeling and give him a chance to explain his end.
Hopefully it will all work itself out and he will realise that he is upsetting you but I don’t think it’s intentional on his end. It’s great that you are trying to initiate it and it’s also good that you are respecting his right to say no. There might be things going on with him that he’s not been ready to talk about, maybe he’s having problems getting in the mood but you’ll only find out when you speak to him.

finalchance · 05/08/2022 07:38

Catladycrazy · 05/08/2022 07:10

As hard as it is, you really need to sit down and tell him how you are feeling. You are doing so much for him and he needs to listen to, and acknowledge your feelings. Both of you together need to see if there is a way you can work through this so you both reach a point of being happy. If you say nothing the resentment will build and destroy your relationship anyway.

I agree. I don't want to feel resentful but that is exactly what is happening. I just feel friend-zoned.

OP posts:
velvetvixen · 05/08/2022 07:44

So two of his previous partners cheated? Are you sure it wasn't him doing the cheating and he's now following form?

missymarrk · 05/08/2022 07:48

Hello,
the waking you up thing resonated with me. I was chronically stressed and suffered bad anxiety for a few years. Honestly the thought of intimacy really was so far down the bottom of my to do list. I still loved and was attracted to my partner. My body was just so done in I had no urge. But strangely I would wake up like once a month about 2am like intensely turned on. I think it was like my body was so relaxed and not actually sitting up worried that it allowed me to relax enough to want to have sex. If he okay otherwise?

Obviously you can't live life unhappy -
But maybe there is a reason why and it's not that he's not into you. X

AnneLovesGilbert · 05/08/2022 08:05

Sorry you’re feeling so low. I totally get how you feel and it does seem like the whole set up is geared towards him and making his life a lot better while yours stays the same or gets worse. I don’t have any advice but I do sympathise.

Madamecastafiore · 05/08/2022 08:14

I didn't read it all but it's almost like you're mothering him, making his life easier, paying for everything. Maybe he feels emasculated somewhat?

SleepingStandingUp · 05/08/2022 08:21

Talk to him.

If he says he's so tired tell him that skies

Andromachehadabadday · 05/08/2022 08:22

Op, I do think you married him too quickly. To actually already be married in just under 2 years, with kids involved is very fast. Especially if you were married to an actual narcissist.

I so sorry this happened. But he isn’t everything you want. He managed to keep that front up until you were married.

i think your gut feeling is right. I hope you protected all your assets or make a decision soon while the marriage is classed as short. Or you could find yourself losing a lot financially.

SaintHelena · 05/08/2022 08:24

Needs an honest discussion.
Could he study or retrain for another job.
You paying for / running everything must make him feel un-needed.
It's a bit like he's another child you're providing for.
Are you That well - paid? 5 lots of uni or college fees coming up?

SleepingStandingUp · 05/08/2022 08:25

Tell him that worries you given he was never too tired when he was working more and you think he should make an appt with the GP to get checked out.

Does he feel emasculated that you're keeping him financially?

I wouldn't play games - turning him down if he instigates to teach him a lesson etc but I would prioritise your own needs. Why aren't you seeing your friends? Why are you getting up stupid am to wait on him? Perhaps you've also changed since the wedding into someone so desperate for affection you're just constantly there awaiting validation and that's making you less attractive to him? Get your nice clothes on, dress up and go dancing with the girls etc. Not to play games but because you shouldn't ever dump your mates for a man

crosbystillsandmash · 05/08/2022 08:29

I also agree it's way too quick!
My dh didn't even meet my kids until the 1 year mark and I certainly didn't consider marriage or living together until many years later.

How soon did you move him in?
If it was in the first year, I'd view that as moving someone you barely know into yours and your dcs home.
Is it a possibility your now seeing the 'real' him?

Begoniasforever · 05/08/2022 08:29

I really don’t think the poster you had a go at did anything wrong, more you just didn’t like the message, you’ve met some younger bloke are basically paying and providing for him and he’s now showing he’s not that into you and there is five kids involved in this.

you can Talk to him about it but if he doesn’t wish to have sex with uou then I think you need to accept it,

crosbystillsandmash · 05/08/2022 08:29

*you're!!!

xxcatcatcatxx · 05/08/2022 08:34

Oh OP sending lots of love.

He sounds lovely from what you’ve said. Definitely have a word, probably not when he’s just got home though. Poor guys probably knackered and getting to the new dynamics too. It’s so so hard when you’ve experienced life a certain way to get used to new patterns and routines and expectations etc

Also … Are you sure the sex isn’t somehow linked to your own worth because of the abuse you’ve had in the past. Definitely watch some videos for the sake of you in the meantime xxx

Joey69 · 05/08/2022 08:38

I think maybe you have gone from one extreme ( ex partners who always want sex), to something a bit more like normal ( someone who wants a bit less sex ), and it’s a shock to your system abit. .?

this also jumped

I have never refused him because to me the sex is incredible and I am always in the mood)? Do I stop being accessible to him? At the minute my life revolves around his working hours. I haven't seen much of my friends and I make sure we have a kid free weekend at least once a month where we go somewhere. The last twice we have done this, there has been no sex. I feel like he only has sex when he needs to because he needs the physical release.

sounds like you have the (much) higher sex drive & are doing everything for him, as other say , maybe he feels a pampered and it not putting in the effort, see your friends and enjoy yourself and don’t keep count of the sex.

Quitelikeit · 05/08/2022 08:42

Op

so you own your home outright and you say he lives there rent fee but I guess if you are married now you are aware he owns half of your property?

re the sex, things always taper off but not to the extent you describe

i imagine the issue is not you at all but is more about him. Is he using porn? He does seem to work very unusual hours which I can imagine would drain most people - as would going out for a meal, drinks this would also make me and my dh very tired! Although I’m aware for many people it doesn’t.

why not send him a message explaining how you feel?

see what he says back? But do be careful as sometimes too much talk about the bedroom can put a strain or pressure on him to perform and it can get kind of awkward

lifeingreen · 05/08/2022 08:47

Sounds to me like he is knackered, your honeymoon period has worn off, and you are chronically overthinking things (sorry!). Talk to him - try go for a walk somewhere peaceful, don’t ambush him. Good luck xx

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