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Verbally abusive husband

93 replies

Username247help · 10/07/2022 21:37

Name changed for this.
My husband is 99% of the time a great husband and father.
However he has a nasty streak and can flip out over the smallest things and be verbally abusive towards me and the children.
Silly little things tip him over the edge and we bear the brunt of it.
I don’t really know what I’m asking here. Basically has anyone else experienced this type of behaviour. Did you leave? Stay?
Ive tried to reason with him but the response is always the same - it’s my fault and I drove him to say these things.

OP posts:
HappyGoLuckyLuLu · 10/07/2022 23:28

Relationship sounds dead. But if you leave there there is a chance children will end up having to deal with him without you ... if it is bad, think about gathering some proof so that you can make a case for them not having to deal on their own if you do split. But be careful if you try to record or anything like that. Good luck OP

PickAChew · 10/07/2022 23:32

In one breath he's saying his behaviour is your fault and in another he's saying he didn't mean it. The man can't even get his story straight.

PortMac · 10/07/2022 23:36

Has he always been like this?
If not what has happened to make him so angry?
I'm sorry, it must be horrific tiptoeing around his moods.

wellhelloitsme · 10/07/2022 23:36

I don’t allow it to happen or allow my kids to be brought up in an abusive household.

Gently though OP, you have.

You're a victim but so are they.

The difference is that you have a choice in that you could ask for help but they are stuck.

They're learning that abusive relationships are normal and acceptable.

No matter how much you tell them their dad's actions are wrong and not acceptable, by staying you entirely undermine that sentiment and make it meaningless to them.

Please, leave for them. You're kidding yourself if you think you're staying 'for' them.

I've been them. They're living in an abusive household. They're being emotionally abused.

They're learning to regulate a grown man's behaviour by complying with him where possible and accepting the consequences when they don't.

alexdgr8 · 10/07/2022 23:41

you say that you haven't allowed it and that you haven't had a choice.
but you have a responsibility for and to your children.
what choice do they have.

ClareBlue · 10/07/2022 23:47

Don't let anyone tell you that you wouldn't be able to cope on your own if you decide separation is the best course of action.
There is plenty of support out there, you will have way more abilities than you think you have and you have legal entitlements that will enable you to move forward.
In 50 years I have never known a separated woman who has not managed to cope on her own and most actually do way more than cope but create a better life for them and their children.

Fayekrista · 10/07/2022 23:50

Username247help · 10/07/2022 22:37

@LondonLovie
I know you said you were being blunt and I appreciate your comment. I just can’t agree with it. I don’t allow it to happen or allow my kids to be brought up in an abusive household. I have not had a choice for many reasons (financial and emotionally mainly)

You have though?
What do you do to protect your children when he abuses them?
What steps have you taken to change the financial/emotional restrictions you feel you have?

nbrown2022x · 10/07/2022 23:52

My dad was like this for years. Very very verbally abusive. Even when we where young. I remember it came to a head one night in my early twenties and I said "well if you're gonna fucking hit me do it, do it now and see where the fuck that gets you" I then continued to scream in his face and told him I wasn't scared and I was sick to death of his abuse and I'd phone the police if he dare did it again. He didn't. And he's now changed for the better and is the most amazing father and grandad x

wellhelloitsme · 11/07/2022 00:06

You poor, poor thing having to deal with that.

Jesus what a cruel man to put you in that position as his daughter.

Allowing him to have a very present role in your children's life is a risk but one I'm sure you've thoroughly considered and risk assessed.

I hope he never, ever relapses to how he was before Flowers

wellhelloitsme · 11/07/2022 00:06

wellhelloitsme · 11/07/2022 00:06

You poor, poor thing having to deal with that.

Jesus what a cruel man to put you in that position as his daughter.

Allowing him to have a very present role in your children's life is a risk but one I'm sure you've thoroughly considered and risk assessed.

I hope he never, ever relapses to how he was before Flowers

Sorry that was to @nbrown2022x

SarahDippity · 11/07/2022 00:14

This man has got into a kick the cat habit and enjoys it. He doesn’t lash out at work because he can blow a fuse comfortably and without consequence at home. This is classic bullying behaviour only in his eyes ‘it doesn’t count’ because he can apologise and pretend it never happened, confident that his reputation is intact outside the home.

how to break the cycle? Assert this must never happen again. Speak to him on a calm day and say the clock is reset. Anger management. New modes of communication. Personal boundaries for you and the children, with a ‘one strike’ rule. He has to identify and communicate his new coping techniques for his anger. Your home, you and the children are not his emotional punchbags.

Fenella123 · 11/07/2022 00:16

ClareBlue · 10/07/2022 23:47

Don't let anyone tell you that you wouldn't be able to cope on your own if you decide separation is the best course of action.
There is plenty of support out there, you will have way more abilities than you think you have and you have legal entitlements that will enable you to move forward.
In 50 years I have never known a separated woman who has not managed to cope on her own and most actually do way more than cope but create a better life for them and their children.

Spot. On.

Seriously OP, do you really know any adults (MH issues or similar aside) who don't cope on their own? It happens but it's pretty rare. You certainly don't come over as someone who would be peeing in a pot in the middle of the living room and using kitchen roll and cling film instead of nappies...

Username247help · 11/07/2022 00:26

@Fenella123
I know, what you are saying is correct. I don’t know anyone who couldn’t cope - I guess it’s through years of being conditioned to believe I’m pathetic on my own. I need to speak to a therapist.

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Natty13 · 11/07/2022 00:40

I grew up with a dad like this. Whenever I answered back as a teenager he was nasty.

Funny enough I've forgiven him but still resent my mum for making me grow up with it. In the hours I spent crying over him shouting at me and the things I said, I absolutely hated her for letting it happen and letting me down. In my head I know why she chose to stay and I know as an adult and mum myself how much she loves us. We don't have the close relationship she wants because I emotionally cut her off in those days and I closed part of my heart to her that I will never reopen. Its affected their relationship with my kids too because I said from the beginning I will not allow them to be around any of my dad's temper. None. I cut them both off for a year after 1 strike and luckily it made him scared and willing to keep it around me and them - important to remember keeping his temper is always a CHOICE. He managed to keep it at work, in public and with other family members in stressful situations so was clearly able when he wanted.

Something to consider from the perspective of your children.

ClareBlue · 11/07/2022 01:58

Username247help · 11/07/2022 00:26

@Fenella123
I know, what you are saying is correct. I don’t know anyone who couldn’t cope - I guess it’s through years of being conditioned to believe I’m pathetic on my own. I need to speak to a therapist.

And if you are continually told something you do end up believing it, we all do be it negative or positive.
Recognising it's happened is actually most of battle won. Most of us have been there at different levels at some stage. Not always partners but bosses, family, teachers etc all saying we can not do something that we are perfectly capable of doing.

dizzydizzydizzy · 11/07/2022 03:20

DP is similar to your DH. He shouts and says I drive him to it, so I am treading in eggshells too. DP never ever apologizes though. In desperation I told my lovely GP about it. She told me it was domestic abuse and put me in touch with the local Women's Aid group and another similar group.

dizzydizzydizzy · 11/07/2022 03:21

I also feel trapped, OP. I am going to leave, just not sure how exactly.

PortMac · 11/07/2022 07:36

OwlNoisesInHerFace · 10/07/2022 22:05

If someone offered you a cup of tea and said it's 99% great but contains 1% dogshit, would you still want it?

The only acceptable level of any type of abuse in a relationship is ZERO. Especially if he's starting on your children.

Love that analogy. You're right.

bigbird50 · 11/07/2022 07:45

How do you know your DC love there father and would be devastated if you split? I always hate these threads when a man is an abuser and his wife suggests it’s only 1% of the time and his DC love him. Although then go on to describe someone who flips out easily, is verbally abusive to his wife and kids and then takes no responsibility for it. So kids and wife tip toe round him and try to make light of it ‘oh dads at it again’. It sounds bloody awful and I would suggest you stop hiding behind my DC would be devastated . Your walking on egg shells so what must it be like for a DC in this situation . They are being brought up with this being their normal so don’t be surprised when they end up in a similar relationship

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/07/2022 08:17

What do you want to teach your children about relationships and what are they learning here?. Better to be also from a so called broken home than to remain in one.

You have a choice re this man, your children do not.

I think your kids would be most likely relieved rather than devastated that you and your abusive H have separated and from that divorced. You are married to this man and have rights in law; exercise those fully. In their eyes you could be seen as putting him before them. Stop using them as some sort of mask to hide behind stating that they would be devastated. NO obstacle to leaving is ultimately insurmountable.

namechangey · 11/07/2022 10:31

Hey OP, I am in a similar situation and working on getting out. I also posted here and had some not very nice or helpful responses. I totally understand the absolute number they do on you. I basically hate myself and have no confidence in my capacity to cope alone. I know he has done that but knowing it logically doesn't automatically shift it from my sense of self.

I contacted Woman's Aid. I used the chat function on their website. They were really helpful and gave me some next steps. It was really easy to use. I was so nervous about doing it but they were very supportive. I would suggest you give that a go as a starting place. It takes time to unpick all of this and the fears around finance are very real for me. I hope we both get out.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 11/07/2022 15:33

My dad used to come in from work shouting at us. My heart used to race when I heard him coming in. We were a cowed little family and I suffered from anxiety for many years after I left.

Spohn · 11/07/2022 16:12

Is there anyone your kids can stay with? Surely they’re in therapy already? There’s no justification for child abuse, being made to grow up in an abusive house is brutal, I speak from experience. Look up the lifelong impacts of childhood trauma. A solicitor can rid you of the piece of shit.

Coldiron · 11/07/2022 16:54

My stbx was very similar to this. I left earlier this year and really wish I had done it earlier.

The kids now have a calm safe abuse free home to live in. Looking back I realise how awful it is not feeling relaxed in your own home and having to walk on eggshells, particularly for the children.

Stbx is now on his best behaviour when he sees the kids, presumably because he appreciates them a lot more now he sees them less. Also they are old enough to decide not to see him if he did start his angry outbursts again.

My youngest was completely unfazed by the separation and is noticeably less anxious now. My eldest has taken a bit longer but is getting there now. He was upset at the time but you have to accept as a parent that sometimes you do things in their best interests that they don’t like or understand at the time.

littlegingerone · 11/07/2022 17:13

As another perspective to offer, I was the child in this dynamic growing up. My father was verbally / emotionally abusive to us / around us / to my mother. We were constantly on egg shells as things could go from laughing and joking one minute to screaming in our faces the next. He would then want it all to be forgotten or would go in a dark mood because one of has gone and ruined things. It affected me hugely in my childhood, living this way, and it's kind of come back to affect me now I am an age where I could have children the same age I sort of realise afresh how absolutely awful it is to treat children that way. The overhwelming feeling I have when I remember it all is humiliation I think.

In my case there was also a fine line between whether it would also be classed as physical abuse (I think when I think of my own situation I'm unsure whether that's over exaggerating but when I think of it happening to another child I know i would think it was) things like a 'smack' on the head delivered in temper, or once I spilt a bit of my dinner when carrying it on a tray and he whacked the tray, plate, food etc. up out of my hands and it all smashed against the wall and food went everywhere.

When my mother left him, I felt sad and worried for him, but I always knew it was the best thing for her to do and felt she should have done it sooner.

I've since studied psychology and when learning about childhood trauma, they talked about how unpredictable trauma is the worst and can have very deep effects, because of never being able to full feel safe and off your guard. They explained that for example knowing that x person 'always kicks off' when they've had a drink, brings some predictability and forewarning in and can at times allow for protective factors to be put in place. However not ever knowing what will be a trigger means no downtime from it. This was a huge lightbulb moment for me, the day we had that lesson.