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How do you leave someone when you know they'll destroy you and you haven't got the strength for it?

57 replies

Diddlypiddly · 17/06/2022 12:43

I'm a boiled frog. I just had a look at my MN posting history, and for 7 years I've intermittently posted in Relationships about my husband. I'm so annoyed with myself. Seven years ago, I wasn't going through perimenopause, I didn't have long covid: I would have been mentally and physically strong enough to leave him. Now, well it's taken me about a month just to post this, just because I couldn't raise the energy to type it out. I can barely get through a day's work, I'm that exhausted.

For the fist several years of our relationship, I was totally love bombed. He thought I was amazing, he agreed with all my values, and he loved my positivity and bubbly personality. Then drip, drip, drip over the years, he very gradually turned negative, irritable, a terrible communicator, fussy, a perpetual victim, blames everyone and anyone apart from himself for all of his life's ills, a gaslighter, a stonewaller, a deflector, defensive, passive aggressive, and he trusts no one: he assumes everyone is a liar. He firmly believes he is superior to everyone. He has no friends, is no contact with his family, rarely leaves the house.

A couple of months ago, I had surgery and I had a tough recovery. Instead of treating me with compassion and kindness, he chose that period to fall out with me. He looked after me, but it was all done with irritability and much tutting and sighing. And then a few days after my surgery, he verbally attacked me with this huge list of 20 years worth of things I'd done wrong - honestly he was raking things up from 20 years ago that I couldn't even remember - and how I was responsible for him having no hobbies or friends. (I'm not.) The bile and contempt and hate for me all came out: most of it lies and twisted and manipulated to suit this narrative he had convinced himself of. I was appalled, and far too ill and exhausted to respond or deal with it. He then gave me the silent treatment for several days, then suddenly he was all 'I love you; I can't imagine life without you'.

He has form for having to be right about everything, even the most ridiculous and innocuous things: he has to come out on top. He's the most defensive person I've ever met - ever - and he can't stand being asked to do anything, e.g. if I ask him to take my coat upstairs when he's going upstairs anyway with his hands empty, he irritably refuses because, well I don't know why actually, I think he feels like he's deferring to me if he agrees to a small favour?? He will go massively out of his way to prove someone else wrong. He takes notes on the neighbours and on his colleagues, in order that he can use them as 'evidence' when they do something 'wrong' so he can then demonstrate his superiority. He even did it when a neighbour accidentally took our wheelie bin. He will not accept that people are human and make mistakes: he expects absolute perfection, and that perfection has to match his own values.

And this is exactly why I know he would move heaven and earth to destroy me if I did the ultimate betrayal and told him I wanted a divorce. He would make my life as hellish as he possibly could. He would block me every step of the way, dispute every little thing, tie us up in legal knots. He absolutely would have to come out top, knowing that he's destroyed me and he's won. If he could, he'd leave us with no money at all: he'd happily lose out on £thousands: it would be worth it as long as he knows that he's won and I've lost.

So I've spent the last 7 years coming up with excuses for myself not to leave. Obviously he's not a twat all the time. He's lovely more than he's horrible: supportive, loyal, funny, great company, blah blah blah. I'm not a total idiot: I haven't stayed this long with someone who's awful 100% of the time. And it's all been reeeallly gradual onset, so I almost haven't noticed it. And of course a lot of the time, he has very successfully made me think I've got things wrong: he's exceptionally talented at denial and twisting things. So I can persuade myself, well he's so lovely most of the time. Or, make myriad excuses to myself that I wouldn't get a mortgage on my own (I'm newly self employed), or that it's too difficult to work out care for our dogs who have separation anxiety, and so on and so on.

I know I need to leave. But it seems momentous. Not just knowing that he'll probably send me over the edge mentally (I still feel emotionally battered from how awful he was after my surgery), but also the sheer amount of untangling of our lives that's needed. Mortgage, house, accounts, shared subscriptions, belongings, cars, dogs. (No children, thankfully, makes things a bit less daunting). Knowing that there will be a period where I've told him I want to leave and having to stay in the house with him while we work out how to separate: he'll make my left hell.

Please, has anyone else left someone like this? How did you do it??

OP posts:
RandomMess · 17/06/2022 12:47

Look up the thread "Divorcing sulking DH" and read back through the op posts.

They sound very similar men tbh.

RandomMess · 17/06/2022 12:48

jamiasjedors is the posters name if I spelt it right!!

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 17/06/2022 12:52

Rubbish, I've left two people like this. Both of them much worse than your husband - what's he going to do?
The courts are not stupid - they've seen thousands of divorces and have seen thousands of men like this.
He isn't allowed to use your joint money to take you to court repeatedly, if he does that you can get all the accounts frozen.
You can be sure a judge will see though this one straight off and not have any of it.
You are building it all up in your mind into a horror you cannot escape.
Talk to a solicitor for an hour before you begin and spell out your concerns and see what help is available, also talk to womens's aid.
That will give you a starting point and you can go from there.
He is just a bully and a twat - you can do this. If he even thinks of bullying or assaulting you call the police immediately and get him removed and get an emergency injunction - see how he likes that.

HollowTalk · 17/06/2022 12:53

I'm afraid I had a lot of sympathy with you until I heard that you didn't have children. I just can't understand why you stayed for five minutes with somebody like this if you didn't have the responsibility of children together.

Untangle everything. You've had plenty of time to do this and if you really want to go then sort it out now. Because there are no children it should be a clear 50-50 split. You can take photos and screenshots of bank accounts and mortgages. Get yourself a solicitor before you leave and talk things through. Tell him you're leaving after you've left.

SomePosters · 17/06/2022 12:59

Make good your escape and then leave

get copies of financial information stored on the cloud.
secure passport and any irreplaceable items
squirrel away enough for a rental deposit and pack a bag.

yes there will be fall out but can’t it really be worse than condemning yourself to a lifetime of this?

Campervangirl · 17/06/2022 13:05

Read your post back, it's all reasons why you can't divorce him.
Now write down what your life would be like if you did:
I live in peace
I have my own private sanctuary
No one says horrible things to me
I'm free to do XXX
I don't live up to anyone's standards but my own
I don't walk on eggshells etc
Get my drift?
He may try to make things difficult for you but he can only affect you if you allow him to.
Get your ducks in a row.
Get a solicitor and get some advice
Remove all personal documents
Get copies of bank statements
Pensions etc.
Then Grey Rock him.
You'll get plenty of support and advice on mn.
Think about how lovely your life will be when you're free of him ❤️

KangarooKenny · 17/06/2022 13:05

You do it slowly, make a list of what you need to do and work through it slowly.
‘Firstly, do you have your own bank account with any wages paid into it ?
Dogs - whose name are they in ? Are they pedigrees, and their KC papers are in your name, is it your name at the vets ?
Get a Tesco/Sainsburys points card and collect them up, so you’ve got ‘money’ that he can’t touch , to feed yourself .
You do it bit by bit so as not to alert him, and so you’re ready when it’s time.

IceScreamIcecreamFaB99 · 17/06/2022 13:30

Absolutely no reason to be unhappy !

If you want a divorce, the rules changed recently, so you can apply for a "no fault divorce" today. So see a solicitor & file for divorce

Do you work ?

Do you have your own bank account ?

Do you own your own property, if not start looking for somewhere to rent

IceScreamIcecreamFaB99 · 17/06/2022 13:31

The only person who will destroy you - will be you !

You can walk away

You can make changes

Start today

Cherrysoup · 17/06/2022 13:37

I’m another who doesn’t understand why you’ve stayed with no dc? If you’re both on the mortgage, go and see a solicitor. Why are you tolerating his nonsense? Making notes on the neighbours?!

thenewduchessoflapland · 17/06/2022 13:43

Living with someone who drains the life out of you is probably contributing to your exhaustion.

sophmum31 · 17/06/2022 13:58

I do have some experience leaving someone very similar. I left 2 years ago and you just find the strength. When you are no longer weighed down with the daily pressure of living with someone like that or that their actions can't control you anymore you will actually find you have more energy and are stronger than you think you are now. The first year was an absolute nightmare, I was still under his control and frightened of the moods and things he could do or say. I asked how high when he told me to jump because after almost 20 years those were hard habits to break.

Then gradually I just realised, what he thinks or does doesn't matter anymore. Things got easier, I stood up for myself and stopped taking the crap or caring about his feelings. I now wish I had done it years ago. The first step is the hardest but after that take each day as it comes.

neverfunny · 17/06/2022 13:59

I have spent many years feeling the same and thinking it was too difficult and momentous. However. I am early stages and taking a day at a time and I can see light at the end of the tunnel.

You can do it - be brave,

How do you leave someone when you know they'll destroy you and you haven't got the strength for it?
Queenofteal · 17/06/2022 14:19

The fact that you have no children sets you free!! There are thousands if not millions of women desperately wanting to seperate in a similar situation but darent because they may lost access to their kids and will have to still deal with the man basically forever because they share kids.
Once you have seperated you never need see, speak to him again! Yes he may try to take everything and he may succeed but you can start again, happy and free to do whatever you want.
Just do it and enjoy your life

gamerchick · 17/06/2022 14:25

Make a start. That's all. Don't tell yourself you're leaving atm and say nothing. Start to gather all the little bits that tie you to him and see a solicitor for your rights.

Yes it might be bumpy but you can leave, you can get what you're owed. He just doesn't need to know about it until you're safety away from him. Better to pull off the plaster and in a year or so it'll be healed then fester for the next 20 years.

FroilingBog · 17/06/2022 14:32

He'll destroy you if you stay.
Saying this from experience. Stayed 10 years longer than I should, and finally got out when I was at the very lowest I could be. Save your strength, stand your ground and remind yourself you're doing the right thing (because you'll be wracked with doubts despite everything). Make plans, get out. Keep it to yourself as much as you can because he'll do his best....
18 months later and I'm a different person, or rather getting back to my old self, who I actually recognise. It's still tough, and still shaking off all the negativity every day - I just wish I'd done it sooner.

MoreProseccoNow · 17/06/2022 14:48

I am Another one who left a very similar man. It was hell on earth.

But because I had children it's been so much more difficult.

Have you had counselling for yourself OP?

You don't need permission or approval from a forum.

Run & don't look back.

My life is IMMEASURABLY better without him. I can breathe. Relax in my own home. I have free time. No more walking on eggshells.

It's so much better on the other side.

gonnascreamsoon · 17/06/2022 14:57

OP you have already shown that you have a great deal of strength !

Putting up with all his abuse for 20yrs ffs ! You ARE strong !

You will get stronger each and every day you don't have him sucking the very life out of you, and it ALL starts with a single step !

Firstly, collect all paperwork e.g mortgage/ savings etc and make an appt with a solicitor to find out your rights and how to get the divorce started once you're ready.
Secondly, get your money separate from his (if it's not already). If need be, just open up a new current account and get all wages etc paid into it secretly (you can always claim you've had an issue with payroll at work or something and were told you needed to get a new bank acct due to an error on their part)

If you think he'll do everything in his power to make your life hell, then getting somewhere to rent would be preferable, and maybe even doing the whole thing in secret so he doesn't know anything until you've actually left would be best for you. (Remember, you can block him on your phone and email etc because you NEVER need to talk to him again if YOU don't want to ! That's what a solicitor is for.)

Just imagine waking up every single day to peace and quiet. No-one to worry about but yourself. No-one to please but yourself.

Just take the 1st step love, you CAN do it ! Flowers

Renniesfixeverything · 17/06/2022 15:10

Whatever he puts you through during the divorce (and I agree with PP's it won't be as bad as you expect and there is more support than you realise) it's still short term pain for long term gain and worth it to be free of him for the rest of your life. You can still do it, perimenopause and long covid and all, you will have help and each tiny bit of progress will give you strength as you go along.

You feel defeated because you're focusing on the end game instead of the first step so it will feel overwhelming and impossible, just focus on taking that first step (legal advice is your first job I would think) and then the next, and the next, one thing at a time until you're there. And yes, read that thread RandomMess mentioned, thats exactly what the OP has had to do, just one step at a time and she's doing brilliantly. There is hope Flowers

Diddlypiddly · 17/06/2022 15:17

Thank you so much, everyone. I realise how pathetic I come across staying when we don't have children! It's just really crept up very slowly, and a lot of the time he's so persuasive that it's all on me that I've believed him.

There's some really great advice here. And very definitely I recognise that I'm catastrophising. The lists are useful - one step at a time is a good idea, and I guess I'll start with listing everything that is joint: accounts, subscriptions, etc., and start getting copies of everything into a cloud account.

OP posts:
Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 17/06/2022 15:19

Put everything you can in place before telling him anything.


  • Open a bank account he has no access to

  • Find a rental or place to stay temporarily

  • Move your money & move out all your things when he's out, take pets

  • Tell him its over (text or phone not in person)

  • Stop paying the mortgage

  • File for divorce

  • Get estate agents around and put house on market

  • Get a lawyer if you think you need one

  • Report him to the police if he is violent or threatening

Yellowhase · 17/06/2022 15:21

Someone close to me was in
a situation like this. She packed her bags and left. Got a solicitor. Had to involve the police because of his threats so I would advise you to get a new number and block him as soon as you go. It’s been 2 years but he bought her out the house eventually. She took less than she could have from the house but saved £20,000 living with her parents. Now she is divorced and free. Changed her surname so he won’t know who she is or where she is. You can do it. Make a 5 year plan how will your life look without him. Obviously you stayed because you loved him and it’s hard to leave the life you thought you had. Good luck.

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 17/06/2022 15:23

I was you - I couldn't see how I could leave DH, knew he would be a 100% nightmare about it, knew he'd try to control everyone including the kids. I stayed for years in nasty marriage with a controlling, narcissistic twat.

But I did leave, and came away with a fair deal, and I am now happily married to a lovely man (and FWIW XDH is happily remarried too).

Here is how:


  • get your plans and information in place before you announce it's happening. Gather all the financial information you can as you will need it to ensure you have a fair settlement, long marriage estimate 50/50 equity split, research how you are going to live on that, have a good idea of what you do and don't want to take with you, consider what you're prepared to negotiate about, get access to some £ of your own.

  • get your tribe around you to support you (real life is good but if not the nest of vipers is here for you)

  • be prepared to leave the house: temporarily or permanently, this is the ace up your sleeve

  • focus on separation in the short term; don't make any permanent decisions while the storm is raging as they are likely to be detrimental as you try to escape/keep the peace. Don't worry about divorce or the house or whatever.

  • be prepared to invest some money in a good solicitor: it will save you a fortune

  • accept that he is going to try to control or ruin everything he can. I found one way to deal with this was just wait until he was bored or realised it wasn't working and had worked through his tantrum, and/or to be very very patient, cool, and rinse and repeat. Let him win some things and don't get into fights for the sake of it. And if you expect the worst then the reality may well be an awful lot better


(This is not necessarily what I did, but it's what I'd do if I found myself in that situation again!)

You can do this.

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/06/2022 15:26

You'll be surprised how much energy you have when you don't have to second guess every tiny decision you make. When you don't have to work out what you're going to say and how you're going to say it. When you don't have to deal with the constant negativity. You don't have to be drained by a man who has problem for every solution.

When you don't have to breathe his toxicity! Get out as soon as you can and I promise you will find the strength.💞

Mix56 · 17/06/2022 15:40

And, copies of his tax return, investments, life insurance, savings $ mortgage if possible. He will hide & falsify. All tge copies are given to someone trustworthy out if your house, or work, do not hide them in your house.
Change all your log ins, computer, telephone, log out of cloud. Log out if find my phone (Say you've had a message if security breach if he finds out)